Immigration reform an uncertain waiting game for Utahns

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  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 13, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    @Say No to BO:

    You are 100 percent right on all your points. And let me comment on a few...

    "You don't reward illegal behavior as a way to stop future trespassing."

    We did this in 1986 under Reagan's tutelage which ended in the problem we have now... with 11 million wanting the same consideration. Unless we stop illegal immigration in its tracks we will have perhaps 20 million to deal with in the next go-round.

    "You don't increase the number of green cards when so many of our own are unemployed."

    They tell us that immigrants are doing the jobs that Americans won't do. Americans won't do them because wages are too low. And why's that? Because immigrants come in and bid the wages down.

    "We have serious problems with the lack of assimilation and allegiance."

    True. Everything in the store has to have Spanish as well as English.

    "Government admits there are too many illegal aliens for them to deal with."

    Enforce E-Verify and illegals will deport themselves.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 12, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    From a citizen's point-of-view all the elements of reform are just plain wrong!
    You don't reward illegal behavior as a way to stop future trespassing.
    You don't increase the number of green cards when so many of our own are unemployed.
    We have serious problems with the lack of assimilation and allegiance.
    Our social safety net is stretched to the point that we are making cuts for our own needy citizens.
    Government admits there are too many illegal aliens for them to deal with.
    It is time we put up the "No vacancy" sign, not legalize and admit MORE foreign-born.
    Many have come to expect admittance. They believe it is some kind of right to come here. At what point to we reevaluate that expectation?
    These reform bills offer our citizens no benefit.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 12, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    "Sergio Garcia has a ready smile as he cuts and packages meat for customers at Campos Market, where he works to send money to his wife and ailing mother in Mexico."

    It was my understanding that immigrants (illegal or otherwise) were to do 'jobs Americans won't do.' Didn't know cutting and package meat is a job Americans won't do.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    July 12, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    I understand the waiting, my mother was an immigrant. She came here legally, she waited for the approval to immigrate and provided proof she was a model citizen of her former country.

    She did not come here and then apply, or apply and then sneak across the border. It took her 20 years before she could become a citizen. She was LEGAL all that time. Keeping up her statis.

    I can not stand for our nation to be invaded by those who sneak across the border, when there are many who are working to come here legally and desire to improve themselves and make a better life. Those who want to become citizens, not just collect free stuff.

    We welcome all who wish to come here keep our laws and join us as Americans. This is a great land with wonderful people from many different nationalities. Come, but come legally and join our culture, share yours with us and be part of us. All LEGALLY!

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    July 12, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Senate Bill S 744 will by consensus have us revisiting this same situation in a few years if it becomes law. Even those who voted for it understand that it will not reduce illegal immigration by more than 50% and will still allow employers to hire the new ones as they sneak across the border.
    If you have a hole in your roof and the rain is coming through it would you really think that you can solve the problem by replacing the ceiling below it and then patching one-half of the hole? Or would you patch the hole first and then replace the ceiling below it?
    There is a legal path to citizenship for these people if they return home and apply just like many of their countrymen have done.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Before we even consider any kind of "reform," how about we consider the concepts of "implementation" and "enforcement?" The invasion of this homeland has cost us dearly and threatens everything we have, yet we continue to ignore that it's happening, let alone the impact. A lesson from ancient Rome and many other countries and civilizations is that when you lose control of your borders, you are pretty much destined to eventually lose total control over the thing you call a nation.

  • Still Waiting Orem, UT
    July 12, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    These are sad stories. However, people forget that immigration is not about hispanics alone. There are quite a few of us who have tried to LEGALLY immigrate to the US who are not hipsanic. I am now in year 6 of the process and have a few more to go before becoming a citizen. My wife is STILL waiting for a Green Card. We have been in limbo for years now with no hope and having paid thousands of dollars to go through the process LEGALLY. Immigration reform is needed, but I do NOT want a bunch of people to jump in front of me in line. Fix the system first and make the process quicker. 3 years to get citizenship in Canada (but Canada is too cold for me). Can't the US do just as well as Canada?

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    I am sorry. I cannot feel sympathy for these people who themselves or their families made the decision to break America's laws on sovereignty by sneaking into our country and trying to obtain the benefits intended for citizens.

    There is undoubtedly a case to be built for the need of some workers in this country but it should be done through a lawful process and on a very limited basis.

    The bill passed by the senate, S 744, puts an emphasis on providing a pathway to citizenship starting immediately while allowing enforcement and border security arbitrary and indefinite requirements.

    What we are hearing about the proposals in the House seem to make a great deal more sense in dealing with this immigration issue. It will certainly allow for more in depth discussion on the important facets of the problem.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    July 12, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    DN Subscriber 2, thank you.

    No other nation in the world would allow these kinds of protest of illegal non-citizens.

    At a time when our government is practically and systematically destroying good paying jobs of American citizens, they add insult to injury and want to allow amnesty for millions of non Americans.

    Our governmental leaders are even offering them a free car, housing and healthcare!

    All while those here that are working and legal are struggling just to make ends meet!

    What is wrong with Washington DC? Can't they see what they are doing to US?
    Many are really starting to hate our leaders, and wishing to vote them out.

    That is the reason for all this. They think they can suppress the votes of the conservative working class by giving noncitizens voting rights and turning working Americans into slaves to support their immoral Liberal agenda.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    July 11, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    Sorry, I have just had enough of these sob stories about people who are unhappy with the poor choices THEY made when they decided to break the law and come here illegally.

    Every day spent whining and waiting for the United States of American to throw away the rule of law and surrender to those who break laws is a day wasted. These people SHOULD be back in their home country, and applying to come to the U.S. the legal way, like millions before them have done, and thousands more do every year, including in 2013.

    Anyone who comes here legally and obeys the laws will be welcome. Anyone who ignores our laws and expects us to give them amnesty is looking for a country that is different from the United States that our tax paying citizens and millions of LEGAL immigrants want to keep under the rule of law.

    Secure the borders! Then let all immigration take place via the legal process already in place!

    No amnesty, unless it also guarantees all current citizens are free to ignore existing laws at will!