Oregon has a plan to eliminate tuition, but will it work?

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  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    July 14, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    The high cost of tuition is driven by the unbelievably high number of (F-1) VIsas issued to fioreign students. Nearly 500,000 were issued last year alone (and each lasts for many years). My sons who attended engineering schools were surrounded by foreign students who graduated and took their degrees home to compete against us. The cost of college education would be dramatically lower (and U.S. competitiveness would increase) if foreign student Visas were curtailed. Yet we never hear about this...

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    We only need to look at obamas economy to see how making something "free" benefits no one and puts the burden on future generations and all of the illegals he would like to make future democrats.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 11, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." ---Wimpy--

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    What about those people that don't graduate? How would they be held accountable? I know people who take multiple semesters off for one reason or another and span their college education over several years, just pursuing a bachelors degree...would there be a limit to how long they could go not enrolled?

    My guess is that after implementing this program, they'd get an influx of people enrolling, but just like the current system, several would drop out and never finish. Of those who did go on to finish, you'd see a decline as people realized they don't want to pay an additional 3% in taxes (a number which is bound to steadily increase) for 24 years. Trade schools or other programs offering certifications would probably see an increase in enrollment.

    I applaud their initiative in trying to address the tuition issue, but this one seems more problematic in the long term...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 11, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    "Jordan Weissmann of The Atlantic suggested last week in his article “Should colleges charge engineers more than English majors?” that the “one price fits all” model needs re-evaluation. Weissmann explores everything from varying tuition based on program — for example, students in more costly programs such as engineering would pay more than English majors — to altering the cost based on course level."

    What planet have these people been living on? Engineering degrees DO cost more than English degrees...it's called lab fees. Almost every engineering class has a lab fee (whether there's a lab or not). I had semesters where my lab fees came to almost 50% of my base tuition, meaning I paid 33% more than English majors taking the same number of credit hours.

    I have a hard time believing anything that comes from a subject matter "expert" who doesn't know this.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    July 11, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Ten years after a program like this becomes law, Oregon universities will only have English and Gender Studies departments. Just watch. People who anticipate graduating with better job opportunities will go elsewhere.

    We have too few people choosing mathematical, scientific, and engineering fields as it is.

  • Unclefred Ticonderoga, NY
    July 11, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Free? I'm always amazed by how people use that word. As a people our much talked about freedom was paid for with the blood of our soldiers. A 24 year tax to pay for "free" education does NOT make it free. While I agree that the college cost is way too excessive (sent 3 kids to school, remortgaged my house), a shell game with the money is not the answer. It's a sure thing that the taxpayers (whom no one subsidizes) will be left holding the bag..

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 1:43 a.m.

    I do like that fact that State and Local Governments are getting involved to find a solution. The Federal Govt. should not be in the business of student loans, even if they are making money on the interest. According to the Tenth Amendment, States have all power except those specifically granted to the Federal Government.

    Whether Oregon's approach will work, I have some reservations, but at least it is a starting point. If it does not work, I'm sure it can be adjusted along the way.

    When Federal backed student loans are done away with and students are unable to pay the high costs, and as a consequence college/university enrollment begins to decline, then we might see tuition costs start to come down to a more affordable level.

  • Oregon Mom HILLSBORO, OR
    July 10, 2013 7:16 p.m.

    Free? A 24-year tax? Sounds like students loans by another name. My solution, actually, would be for the federal government to deny federal aid of any kind to any college whose total cost to students (no using fees to hide increases) grew by more than a reasonable amount each year. Colleges have had no incentive to keep costs reasonable.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    July 10, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    It's an interesting concept, but I don't see it working. While it might sound nice on paper the amount paid back ould have little to no correlation to what the student's education actually cost. You could go to a very expensive law school, and then only get a job working in a grocery store and only have 3% of a minimum wage job paid towards the law degree. Sure the opposite could/would happen, but it would probably be a lot less common. Most likely the future employment would be less than the cost of the education, aka, more government debt and future tax increases for everyone.... jeesh, I'm starting to sound like a Republican. ;)

    How about we try to figure out how to lower costs instead.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Why not?

    Social Security works great.

    They can try and claim all they want it's "paying forward" and that someone's tuition is already paid for, but any time someone gets something now for which payment may or may not happen - I'm suspect.

  • teleste Austin, TX
    July 10, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    “It’s paying forward a guarantee of free higher education to future students.”


    It amazes me how little people understand about benefits and entitlements.