Good grief Boys, Old News, Didn't happen, Take it down or update
Cougsndawgs"Great, so Jimmer goes from the frying pan to the
fire. One bad team to another..."Don't be so quick to sell
Cleveland short. The Cavs are quietly putting together a pretty good team, at
least they will be light years better than Sacramento. At least they are TRYING
to get better. Cleveland might be where Jimmer can break out.
RE: FatMan86"I still don't understand the absolute denial
about Jimmer among the Cougar crowd here. Quoting obscure statistics for spin,
and whining about the coaching in Sacramento is every bit as weak as Ute fans
clamoring about how their PAC 12 membership makes them better than everyone else
(with no results in the PAC 12 whatsoever).Jimmer is a bust so far.
The evidence is overwhelming. Utah is a bust so far in the PAC 12. Hopefully
things will change for both going forward."Do you really believe
that Hollinger's PER ratings are "obscure statistics"? In my
opinion they are the most reliable indicators of player effectiveness out there.
I agree with you that Jimmer has been a bust thus far, I just don't think
that he's beyond hope. On the right team he might do very well. I'd
say for a player that hasn't yet been given a fair shake the jury should
still be out.
Jimmer was on the worst possible team for his talents. The Kings were composed
of a bunch of immature, selfish ball hogs, and their coach did very little to
correct the team's shortcomings, getting upset anytime a reporter asked why
he wasn't playing Jimmer when his per minute stats were good.
Jimmer's all-around shooting percentage was poor, but he is a great
three-point shooter and will find a place in the NBA, where he could have a
similar impact as Korver although Jimmer is a much better ball handler. The
question remains as to whether he can defend sufficiently, but at Sacto he never
was able to develop with all the time he spent warming the bench.
I still don't understand the absolute denial about Jimmer among the Cougar
crowd here. Quoting obscure statistics for spin, and whining about the coaching
in Sacramento is every bit as weak as Ute fans clamoring about how their PAC 12
membership makes them better than everyone else (with no results in the PAC 12
whatsoever). Jimmer is a bust so far. The evidence is
overwhelming. Utah is a bust so far in the PAC 12. Hopefully things will
change for both going forward.
Jimmer will make it, count on it.
Anyone who wants to extrapolate stats from a limited amount of minutes played
against other third stringers, to the stats of players playing starting minutes
in starting lineups against other starters, just doesn't get it.Don't believe it? Just watch the stats (not to mention the growing pains)
that Favors and Kanter throw up this year. Take the extrapolated numbers from
last season and compare them with the actual minutes they play this year and my
money will be on their last season numbers. On that note, I'm a
Jazz fan and I'll stick with this team through thick and thin. That said,
Jazz fans better get ready to support their team. It could be a rough, rough
year.As for Jimmer, I wish him well, but I never was a believer. The
BYU system made him look like a star when in fact his shooting percentage was
rarely very good considering the quantity of shots he was able to take to get in
a groove. That's a luxury any decent ball player would love to be given.
@WisconsincougarWe shall see, but not looking good so far. Honestly?
I hope a new setting will help. I would hate to see him turn out like Adam
Morrison; what a huge bust!
I don't get how after two years of playing extremely limited minutes on a
bad team haters insist Jimmer is a bust. Jimmer's PER of 14.66
compares favorably with other role players in the NBA. Out of 344 players that
qualify (have 6.7 min/game or more), Jimmer ranks 154th, right in the middle
(and 37th of 82 point guards). And that is on a “me first” team.
His ranking is better than Danny Green, Jordan Crawford, Andrew Bogut, Jared
Sullinger, Mike Miller, Tony Allen, Ben Gordon, Brandon Knight, Alec
Burks… Also, last season Jimmer’s three point percentage of .417
ranked 17th in the NBA, not too shabby. While I doubt that he will ever become
an all-star, I still believe that Jimmer will have a long and productive NBA
career as a role player and Cleavland is definitely a better opportunity for him
than riding the bench in Sacramento.
My point about Jimmer to PDX is exactly why it would work. His shooting skills
are the type of skills PDX coach Stotts values...outside shooting! And Jimmer
brings that to the table in bucketfuls! PDX would be such a great fit for him!
Jimmer to Utah! Without Foye we need someone who can shoot.
I've been looking for quite awhile, for some news on the Jimmer. As a
Blazer fan, I'd like to see him suit up for Portland, filling the shooting
guard slot on the 2nd squad off of the bench... with CJMac, D.Wright, T.Rob
& Meyers Leonard. I hope that the brass in PDX helps Cleveland and Sactown
make a deal. The Blazers throw in A.Crabbe, T.Harris and or V.Claver,
J.Freeland, W.Barton and E.Williams to help make the deal work. Alot
of people think that his game doesn't translate to the NBA, that he
doesn't play defense or some other mush. But a great coach would plug him
in to a spot where what he's got can be exploited, all the while helping
him to develop in areas where he has perceived weaknesses. For Portland, that
would be as the 2nd unit's 2 guard off the bench.I know that
this is the wrong forum for PDX brass to see, but GO JIMMER! Wake up PDX
management and grab this guy while you can. He's an upgrade that the
Blazers really could be upgraded by grabbing!
BlutoI never questioned his college acomplishments, now did I? Did I
say that I don't respect his ability? No. I simply stated my opinion that
he can't play defense, just like Adam Morrison. He struggled with the
Kings, and considering they are one of the worst teams in the NBA; that's a
bad sign. Would I like to see Jimmer excel? Sure. Will he? I doubt it. He could
average 10-12 points a game, but the guy he's defending is getting 20+. Do
the math, and realize my position has absolutely nothing to do with Utah. Simply
stating my opinion on the subject at hand. You sound paranoid!
Why do small people around here think the BYU/Utah squabble is a zero sum game.
Its not BYU or Utah, its BYU and Utah and USU and...
Way to slow and a liability on defense, but a real nice kid who deserved a
better opportunity to improve. He is a pure set up shooter who can score points
in an offense set up for him. Most likely this will be his last season in the
Ute66--"....some of you Cougar fans are crazy to say that Utah
is "little brother" to BYU in basketball. Utah has a player playing in
the NBA right now that is better than Jimmer today, and quite frankly was better
than Jimmer in college. He has never played for a great team, yet is 10th all
time in assists. He never won player of the year in college, he just helped his
team win all the time. In his 4 years at Utah, his teams won 4 conference
championships, got out of the first round of the NCAA tournament all 4 years,
played in 3 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, a Final Four, and a championship game. His
teams went 114-21 in his 4 years at Utah, and won 11 NCAA tournament games, 2
less than BYU has won all time. If you are going to refer to us as "little
brother", you might want to remember that 37 year old Andre Miller is better
than 24 year old Jimmer still, today."BINGO....JF's
individual hype overshadowed the reality of 2-Star byu's utter futility in
The Tourney, as he couldn't even lead them past the Sweet 16!
"Jimmer Fredette involved in potential trade to Cleveland Cavaliers"He's still in The Association? I seriously had no idea! Figured
he'd accepted his fate and moved on already!In other news, it
was a blast watching Miller/Bogut represent in the playoffs this season! Great
to see the state represented on the big stage! Good times!
@ Ute66You're right, maybe a move away from Sacramento will
re-energize Jimmer's NBA career. Classy comment by the way. Utah has great
basketball history in their own right. I remember watching the 1998 Final Four
when Utah beat North Carolina only to lose the Final to Kentucky in the last 10
minutes of the game. That was a great team and yes I do remember Andre Miller on
that team, great college player. I don't think he was the scoring threat
that Jimmer was in college but a solid NBA player who is smart with the
Tom in CAVallejo, CASeems like only yesterday when Jimmer lit up the
utes for 47 in the 107-79 blowout at the HC. Too bad he had to sit out the last
5 minutes. Probably would have scored 60. Was utah in the pac 11.1 at that time,
er??______Yep, seems like only yesterday. Now he sits
out 43 minutes per game. With that said, Jimmy has a better chance in Cleveland
Here is one Ute fan who bears Jimmer no ill will.Sacramento was
simply the wrong team for Jimmer Fredette.Fredette has talent and in
the right situation can bring exactly what any NBA team needs, a deadly outside
shooter.A great coach, who understands how to utilize Jimmer's
talents, would go a long way in silencing Jimmer's critics who say he is a
bust. Fredette has only been in the NBA two years. For goodness sake, the Jazz
gave CJ Miles 7 years before deciding he was a bust!When Jimmer
Fredette's contract expires, I hope he will take a long hard look around
the league and decide to take his talents to a team that truly understands how
to use them. He will have one more NBA contract to prove himself, if chooses to
sign with the wrong team he will be out of the league after that.Jimmer, you may have thumped my Utes, but I bear you no ill will and wish you
@Mark 321:You are right to point out that over the last 7 or 8 years
BYU has been far better than Utah in basketball. I won't dispute that at
all. I also appreciate that you acknowledged that Utah has won 8 of the last 11
head to head in football. Overall I would say that Utah is better historically
in basketball although BYU has a slight edge head to head. By the same token,
even though Utah has won the majority of the rivalry games in football, Utah
doesn't have anywhere near the tradition BYU has in football. I just like
to see both sides give credit where it is due. I would like to see Jimmer
succeed in the NBA. I think he is a classy kid. I think the team he has played
on has been part of the reason he has struggled, and who knows, maybe Cleveland
will be good for him if he goes there.
I am also of the opinion that Jimmer needs out of Sacramento. Sometimes the
situation just isn't a good fit and Sacramento was a mess all the way down.
It could easily be said that nobody on that team was playing to their
potential. I don't have confidence that it is going to get much better.
Jimmer was great entertainment. He made BYU basketball fun to watch.
It cracks me up that people are on Jimmer's side and it's mainly
because he is L.D.S. I'm L.D.S. as well and live in Provo. You have
to separate the two; L.D.S. and Professional Sports. I said he was
overrated in college. Shooting 38% doesn't cut it in college and especially
not in the N.B.A. Just because he's L.D.S. doesn't he deserves a
statue. He had plenty of chances in Sacramento and plain blew it. Get real
people and take off your rose colored glasses.
@ Ute66"I hope Jimmer does well wherever he goes, I really do,
but some of you Cougar fans are crazy to say that Utah is "little
brother" to BYU in basketball."Utah fans boast about being
7-3 against BYU in football in the last 10 meetings calling that dominant. Well
BYU has been 9-1 in the last 10 meetings against Utah in basketball. I'm
not into the "big brother" or "little brother" phase but as a
Cougar fan, I will admit that Utah has BYU's number in football with a 7-3
record against them. But Utah fans likewise need to admit that BYU has
Utah's number in basketball with a 9-1 record. The PAC 12 does benefit Utah
immensely in football, but in basketball, conference affiliation doesn't
mean that much. Being in a good conference helps maybe get more NCAA tournament
bids but the top teams in the WCC can play anybody and have a good chance to
win. Also BYU moving to the WCC hasn't hurt them in recruiting. They are
still getting the best players out of Utah and I don't see that changing in
the near future.
I hope Jimmer does well wherever he goes, I really do, but some of you Cougar
fans are crazy to say that Utah is "little brother" to BYU in
basketball. Utah has a player playing in the NBA right now that is better than
Jimmer today, and quite frankly was better than Jimmer in college. He has never
played for a great team, yet is 10th all time in assists. He never won player of
the year in college, he just helped his team win all the time. In his 4 years at
Utah, his teams won 4 conference championships, got out of the first round of
the NCAA tournament all 4 years, played in 3 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, a Final
Four, and a championship game. His teams went 114-21 in his 4 years at Utah, and
won 11 NCAA tournament games, 2 less than BYU has won all time. If you are going
to refer to us as "little brother", you might want to remember that 37
year old Andre Miller is better than 24 year old Jimmer still, today.
@Big Cougar,Lillard and Jimmer are the perfect comparison. One is
getting it done and one isn't. If Lillard hadn't shown his stuff in
Blazers practice and rookie camps, do you really think he would have been sent
into the starting line up? He started because he earned the right to start.
Jimmer has simply not done so. You make it sound like Jimmer never ever plays.
He does play, but he proves himself to be a big time defensive liability, and
because of that they sit him back down. Can't wait to hear
all the Cleveland excuses.
Holy Cow Chris, do you have a life outside of trolling the comments on BYU
@Bluto,This article is about Jimmer in the NBA, not college. All
those college accomplishments are impressive, but irrelevant as far as his NBA
status is concerned. Believe me I roll my eyes at the Chris B's of the
world as much as anyone, but he's right on here. Jimmer is an NBA flop.
All the 3 year old college accolades in the world won't change that. Will
he help Cleveland? I just don't think see it.
Going to Cleveland would be like leaving Purgatory and going to Heaven! If that
deal works out it would be awesome for Jimmer. That goes to show how dumb the
Kings are. They already have too many ball-hogging combo guards and now
they're wanting to bring in one of the worst ball-hogging guards in the
NBA, Monta Ellis.No sooner did Ellis leave Golden State then they
went from being a cellar-dweller to very nearly upsetting the Spurs in the
Western Conference Semi-finals. It's further proof that Sacramento
doesn't have a clue.
Hard for me to understand why so many of the Y fans get really upset at some of
these comments. Jimmer was a great college player, a high draft pick, and has
been a bust so far in the NBA. He may end up doing well with a different team
or continue to be a disappointment - either way it doesn't make him a
good/bad person nor does it reflect positively/negatively on BYU. Best thing
that could happen to him is to get out of Sacramento.My opinion is
that his games doesn't translate very well to the pro level but he could
end up being a valuable reserve that provides some instant offense to the right
@Fatman68"Great players often thrive in situations where the coaching
is less than ideal. Damian Lillard plays on a bad team with questionable
coaching and personnel, and yet still became the NBA rookie of the year."At least try and come up with a good comparison. Lillard
avgd 39 minutes a game while Jimmer avgd 14 last season. If you extrapolate
their numbers out per minute they both had pretty identical numbers with one
exception, Lillard was a better passer and Jimmer was a better 3 pt shooter
(neither is close to the other in those areas).Also, Lillard came to
a team desparate for a leader at the point. Coaches in Portland said,
"here's the ball, go and do." It was a Portland team that was a
season or two removed from winning 48 games and making the playoffs.Jimmer went to a team that was already famous for ball-hogging guards
complaining about not getting enough shots, minutes, etc. Had Lillard gone to
Sacramento there's no way he would've been ROY. guards that go to
Sacramento get worse the longer they're there (Tyreke Evans). The Kings
have been horrid for eons.
If only Jimmer would've been on the original dream team, he would have been
so good, but now he is stuck being the worst guy on the worst team. If only the
Lakers realized that Jimmer is better than Kobe has ever been, the Lakers would
be so good.
@Christine B and Spokane UteJimmer Fredette was the Unanimous
National Player of the Year in College, only 2 years ago.He won all 6
Major NPOY Awards. -Naismith-AP-John Wooden-NABC-Adoph Rupp-Oscar Robertson....Awards.As painful as that may
be for U...It's time for U guys to get over it. He has only
just finished his 2nd year, with the worst organization in the NBA. Even
the Sacramento owners bailed out and the coaching staff has recently been
replaced.So your apparent need and desire, for his demise, is greatly
exaggerated and premature.Jimmer is rumored to be wanted by
Cleveland and Indiana. Larry Bird respects his abilities, perhaps you should as
well.It never ceases to amaze me how some need for BYU, or anyone
connected to the school, to fail, before they can feel right with themselves and
the World.When you guys achieve 1/100th of what The Jimmer has
achieved, then get back to us.Until then, study the precepts of propriety
Re: Jimmer loversJimmer is one of the worst players on one of the
worst teams.He wouldn't make it on most of the good teams, that
is why no good teams are interested in him.
Chris B--you sound like your typical UTE. Jimmer torched your utes every time
he placed foot in your ute arena. Why are ute fans so involved with anything
that has to do with BYU? The Utes will always be BYU's little bro.
Chris B. I just wanted to welcome you to the real world as well. You say you
speak the truth. Well, here is a truth for you then. Jimmer Fredette is a
professional basketball player in the NBA. And you do what.......? Just
Cleveland needs another benchwarmer... and Jimmer is just the low-paid man for
the job! It will free up some money for Cleveland to look for a better guard who
can actually play!I said it before and I will say it again, Jimmer
was an over-rated fluke, and has no meaningful future in the NBA.
Keep shooting Jim!
Jimmer has the same problem that Adam Morrison (Gonzaga) has; he can't play
defense. If he can't make it with two of the worst teams in the NBA, Kings
and Cavs; make no mistake. He can't make it in the NBA and he's had
more that a fair shot it.
I find myself in the incredibly awkward spot of actually agreeing with Chris B
(less his obsessive need to slam all things BYU). In all seriousness, drafting
Jimmer was a huge mistake for Sacramento. Jimmer just flat didn't get it
done there. No excuses. I wish people would stop trying to blame it all on
coaching. Great players often thrive in situations where the coaching is less
than ideal. Damian Lillard plays on a bad team with questionable coaching and
personnel, and yet still became the NBA rookie of the year.Good luck
to Jimmer in Cleveland, but I can't help but think it will be more of the
same. I think he'll be out of the league sooner rather than later.
Jimmer will put up decent numbers if he ever gets a shot on a good team. I was
really hoping the Thunder deal would happen. That would be an ideal situation
for someone like Jimmer to excel. I'm not so excited about the Cavaliers,
but anything has to be better than the Kings (with the exception of the
Is it now safe to say that Jimmer was overrated the whole time? It doesn't
matter where he goes in the NBA.
The Kings want to add Monta Ellis? I thought it was a new era in Sacramento?
Another shoot first pass later guard? They just draft Ben Mclemore? I do think it strange that folks say Jimmer needs to get to an environment
that is a drive and dish, unselfish, pass first kind of a team. As I go back and
watch Jimmer's college film, it seems to me that he fits best into a
situation where he dominates the ball and isn't asked to do much else but
shoot and score. What am I missing here? Has he all the sudden become a team
oriented distributor? Coach Rose rolled the ball out there and said "Jimmer
- go score the ball. Only pass if you are absolutely stuck. If you are stuck,
Jackson or Brandon are the only two you can pass it to. Oh yeah, don't play
any defense because we need you to save your legs for offense. OK, Cougars on
three, one, two, three." Now he is on a team where the coach says the same
thing and suddenly its a bad situation and bad coaching. I'm missing
something I'm sure.
Cleveland, if the decided they are to take Jimmer in order to help Sacramento to
free up cap space to get a top quality guard, they need to ask Sacramento that
the picked that is owed to Cleveland be unprotected or have the right to swap
I just hope Jimmer can get a fair shot somewhere.
Chris,"I speak the truth."What?!"With bad decisions like drafting Jimmer with a lottery pick, it's no
wonder the Kings are where they are."That is an insinuation not
the truth even if it does have elements of truth in it. Where did u learn to
theorize? at the u?There are many different reasons that the Kings
are where they are. But you nor anyone one else can speak to the truth of what
Hope it happens. Might actually travel up to Cleveland to watch him play.
Chris B - Ah thanks for your sense of humor. I had a good laugh. Jimmer reminds me of a QB by the name of Alex Smith. (You know from that
"premier" BCS PAC 12 team). Glad all the naysayers were wrong when
they said that SF wasted the 1st overall NFL pick on this guy that never played
at much as SF and had no stats to mention (other than bad) until many years
later. Now they are eating their words. Go Alex! I am not saying
Jimmer is going to be the next LeBron or Kobe but he deserves a shot just like
Alex did. Get a good team around him, a coach that can bring it together and I
think Jimmer may just prove his naysayers wrong like Alex did. Not going to make
the all defensive team (neither did Steve Nash) but you have to score to win.
He is good at that. How about something positive Chris B and not
just the negative. One kind word on BYU would not kill you.
If you would all quit feeding Chris B's fire, he would eventually go away
but no, people always have to feed his fire. He knows it and he loves to burn
everyone he can. LOL.
Seems like only yesterday when Jimmer lit up the utes for 47 in the 107-79
blowout at the HC. Too bad he had to sit out the last 5 minutes. Probably would
have scored 60. Was utah in the pac 11.1 at that time, er??
Awesome. Start with a Kyrie - Jimmer backcourt. Add Jabari Parker in next
year's draft. Soon all of Utah will be routing for the Kirtland Kavaliers.
@Suhyun"Sacramento is to the NBA what Utah is to the PAC 11.1."Colorado is Sacramento. Utah is a team that looked like a solid
competitor but failed to reach the postseason for the first time in a long
while. They decided to work for the future by turning the starting quarterback
position over to a freshman and you suspect they aren't going to be all
that good next year but have a promising future if it pans out right... actually
they're kinda like the Jazz.
@KralonJimmer tended to play against reserves and he had one of if not the
highest shots taken per 36 minute rates on the team so it's not all that
surprising that he had a fairly high point per 36 minute rate. That
said Sacramento is a horribly managed team, he could definitely do better
I hope Jimmmer can get into a happier situation.
Chris. Sacramento is to the NBA what Utah is to the PAC 11.1. Mark it down.
Yes, Chris B, the Kings weren't very smart to draft a player and then not
let him play. I agree with you on that point. The Kings are in trouble because
of their coaching, team chemistry, and failure to develop their talent. So
we'll see how they do in the future, but I won't expect much (just
like with some unnamed PAC 12 football teams) so I won't be disappointed.
Great, so Jimmer goes from the frying pan to the fire. One bad team to
another...I hope at some point he can land somewhere they actually know how to
slash and dish instead of every man for himself. That's the only way
jimmers talents will come to bare.
Downunder - They did trade the owners and the coaching staff. Unwilling to deal
Demarcus Cousins who is basketball cancer, the new owners and coaches keep
investing in guards to try and prop him up. Jimmer's best bet is to leave.
Unfortunately, going east will deprive him of his base of BYU fans and any
outside pressure tp play him. He'll be on his own to make it or go to
europe. I'm rooting for him.
@Oatmeal,I speak the truth. I'm sorry if you don't like
Chris B,There you go again. Criticizing anything to do with BYU.
There are plenty of BYU critics out there, but you take the cake.
I hope Jimmer can go somewhere that he is allowed to play more, on a per minutes
basis he was the best Sacramento had at getting points, they just have too many
guards and didn't give him many minutes.
With bad decisions like drafting Jimmer with a lottery pick, it's no wonder
the Kings are where they are.Did the Cavaliers receive compensation
for taking Jimmer?
It's to bad that the fans can't trade the owners and coaching staff.
Don't blame it all on the players.
Jimmy averaged one assist? Don't believe it.If trade happens,
good luck to Jimmy. Seems like a nice kid who deserves a shot.