Commentary: Utah Jazz G.M. Dennis Lindsey's moves reflect Captain Jack Sparrow's mantra

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  • billkelvin Kent, OH
    July 9, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    So, what we have for next year is an "awful" team judging by win-loss record. However, real Jazz fans stick around for garbage time to see the next generation shaping up. I have faithfully watched Kyrolo Fesenko, Kosta Koufos, Kirk Snyder, Curtis Borchardt, guys who never quite caught on -- but you never know if they will. Next year we have a season of "garbage time" for players on rookie contracts to prove whether or not we should have faith in them and sign them long-term. We should HOPE the team sucks; maybe we win the lottery for once. Maybe that 2014 Warriors pick turns into a hot commodity. Maybe when the class of '03 is getting old the Jazz come on strong and free agents WANT to come to Utah. Bottom line, the Jazz will only have players on rookie contracts in 2014-2015. Incredible salary cap room, 5 extra draft picks (2 in 1st, 3 in 2nd), and possibly a top pick in a deep draft. Being an NBA fan means thinking long-term and watching the money like the stock market. Lindsey is for real. Word to Billy Beane.

  • billkelvin Kent, OH
    July 9, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    There are so many different opinions about this article. It is nice to know us Jazz fans are being good citizens in our (somewhat) participatory democracy. First of all, having been a fan of the Jazz since they were annually making deep playoff runs ('96), I have seen that big market teams swallow up all the best free agents. Many people on this page say the only way to build is through the draft -- for small-market teams that is clearly true. However, I think it is not accurate to say no one will ever want to come to Utah. All players ever talk about is how they want to come to a "competitive" team. What they don't talk about is how they would like to sign the largest contract possible. Utah is putting themselves in the position to be both a competitive team and have a ton of cap room. However, I don't think they will be signing any more down-sliding vets like Gasol or Nowitzki. Those guys want to go to a "win-now" team before their careers end.
    Hm. size limit. post 2 on the way :)

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    @Doug 10

    I don't really understand your comments. How are the Spurs,Oklahoma,Lakers, and Clippers rebuilding? These are the top teams in the west? You are not rebuilding if you are the best. The Spurs went to the championship last year and they have exact same team coming back. Oklahoma is not rebuilding nor are the Lakers . they lost Dwight Howard but otherwise return the same team. These comment make no sense. The only way the jazz are going to get better is through the draft, and that requires down years to get the best talent. Free agents aren't going to come to Utah because its Utah so we must build through acquiring assets via trade or the draft. I can't seem to figure out why people don't understand this. Next years draft will be one of the best since Lebron James draft year. we need to be as terrible as possible so that we can get a good draft pick.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 9, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    The author talking about the big free agent market next season left off Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh (for reality sakes) but did mention Dirk and Pau Gasol...are those two coming to Utah?...I think when they hold the Rose Bowl Parade in American Fork, not before.

    The Jazz let go Randy Foye who stepped up and shot the lights out and played defense and having managed to acquire next to nothing in return they say it is all in the name of ....rebuilding.

    Jazz people take a look outside of Utah and 90% of the league is rebuilding. The trouble is eah time the Jazz call for rebuilding they throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oklahome is rebuilding but they are 5 years ahead of the Jazz now, the Clippers are rebuilding and are 3 years ahead of the Jazz. The Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, and Celtics are all rebuilding. Are the Jazz likely to beat "any" of these teams to the punch?

    Josh Smith, Pau Gasol and other quality players were on the block this season but the Jazz chose not to compete this year or for the next.......

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    July 8, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    I too am sadder about Carroll than anything else. I thought he was primarily responsible for getting us into the playoffs in 2012.....then Corbin benched him for Josh Howard. I agree, I think Corbin had something against him.

    I am ready to see my team lose some games so they can build. I think it is important for our fans to try and come to as many home games as possible to support the rebuilding.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:30 p.m.


    "The kings won't trade Jimmer for anything less than a 2014 first rounder"

    Actually the report out there is they are looking to trade both him and Chuck Hayes for multiple second round picks or cash to Cleveland.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 8, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @John Wicks

    "...ruined the team for this year...".

    That is a matter of perspective. While I agree we will be losing more games I think many fans were sick of watching Jefferson and Millsap carry miss the playoffs every year.

    So, relatively speaking one could argue the team was ruined before and that now we actually have the prospect of watching something besides Jefferson hold the ball for 18 seconds out of every 24 seconds on the shot clock.

    Many would argue it is more exciting to watch something different that actually has the prospect of improvement and upside vs the proven failures that have been getting the ball for the last 3 failing seasons.

    There won't be a firesale on tickets for sure at least at the outset but by mid to late season when the losing sets in my guess is that you will be getting tickets on the cheap.

    Many Jazz fans are thrilled and used to mediocrity and winning most home games/losing road games and are fine with that...they are the fair-weather fans who will bail not understanding the bigger picture of what is going on for the future.

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Now that Lindsey has ruined the team for this year does that mean ticket prices will be going down to watch a sub par NBA team?

  • Mctejman Farmington, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    @ sneakyjimmy

    The kings won't trade Jimmer for anything less than a 2014 first rounder, and no one's gonna give one up for a guy yet to prove himself, even though if the Jazz got him he'd set a record for most Jersey sells in a day in Utah

  • ExDixieIte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    I've been looking at a few publications in the Atlanta area regarding Demare Carroll. All of them are projecting Demare's points, rebounds and assists based on 32-35 minutes per game and have him at a 20-8-3. I'm not so much convinced that the Jazz let Demare go as much as Demare let the Jazz go.

    The money would likely have been the same or perhaps better from the Jazz but Atlanta could promise both Paul and Demare the one thing the Jazz simply couldn't. The chance to start and play starter's minutes. I think Demare chose to leave the Jazz, not the Jazz chosing to leave Demare. I can't fault the guy for choosing starting and starter's minutes over coming off of the bench behind less experienced players.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 8, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Jimmers on the market. Take him off the King's hands.

  • COOL HAND LUKE Watching, UT
    July 8, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    i agree

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 8, 2013 8:20 a.m.


    really?...i thought they pulled the earlier make a new one...we should've try to get Corey Brewer though...

  • COOL HAND LUKE Watching, UT
    July 8, 2013 7:47 a.m.


    This trade is in discussion, does not affect the previous trade for beidrens, RJ or Rush.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    July 8, 2013 5:38 a.m.

    Great comments shaybo. I guess I've been too casual of an observer and was especially concerned when I read about Millsap leaving. But this article does an excellent job of giving a comprehensive accounting of all the smart moves the Jazz have made this season that will help them in years to come. It's a bit of housecleaning to get us over the hump we haven't been able to climb since the late 90's.

    Now if the fans, including me, can just be patient we might get something to cheer about within the next five years.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 8, 2013 3:01 a.m.

    this just in..we wont get rush biedrins and jefferson anymore...there's a three team deal...Utah Warriors and Denver...where in we would only get is a future second round pick...denver sign and trades iggy to warriors we sign and trade foye to nuggets...we get a future second round pick from warriors...kinda sucks right now

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    July 7, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Murphy: Hero today, Goat tomorrow.
    Murphy had nothing to do with Burkes still being there at #9. Jazz did good, but articles written like this create false expectations.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    July 7, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    @ET Bass, your right, they are rebuilding in a very "unjazzlike" way. The Jazz way your referring to was to pick up veterans on the downslide to fill in your roster and put them in key roles thus inhibiting the growth of the young guys. That got them a 8th seed in the playoffs or a playoff miss year after year. We needed something drastic to pull us out of that cycle.

    The 3 we received for Murphy not collectively better than him? Apparently you haven't seen Brandon Rush play, not to mention the two 1st and two 2nd round picks. Even if Rush fails to fully recover he is a free agent at the end of the year and can be let go. That money they will have under the cap will be a lot more important next year than it was this year. I will miss Carroll but Milsap was not in the Jazz plans for the future and rightly so.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 7, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    I love the moves Jazz have been making, with one exception, letting DeMarre Carroll go. Some how I just can't help thinking that he got put into Tyrone Corbin's Dog House (for whatever reason) and wasn't never going to see the light of day with the Jazz. It's too bad; he brought energy and a toughness to the team that was badly needed.

    DeMarre, I wish you all the best and I'll be rooting for you whenever you play, except of course, when you play against the Jazz.

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 7, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    This trade kept us from getting milsap and Carroll . Statistically, the three new guys aren't collectively much better than Murphy. Don't break you arm patting yourselves on the back. The jazz are looking at rebuilding in a very unjazzlike way.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    July 7, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    I really struggled with this article. For example: "It was probably a better look than Millsap could be interpreted to be giving Favors on the EnergySolutions Arena’s artwork this past season, where the veteran forward peered over his shoulder at the third overall pick of the 2010 NBA Draft."

    I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

    "it would not be appropriate to not pay credence to another Jazz veteran: Kevin O’Connor."

    I get what you're saying and I agree, but why use a double negative? Also, I think you mean either "pay homage" or "give credence."