Just as with the 10 virgins, the wise today will stay spiritually prepared

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  • sharrona layton, UT
    July 9, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    RE: EternalPerspective God's Priesthood authority and ordinances are required and only exist in His Church?
    Priesthood authority, In(D&C 110: 1-16) Elias and Elijah appear to JS, but in the Bible they are the same person. The KJV translators attempted to transliterate Elijah to Elias because there isn’t a Greek character for the English letter J.

    To avoid confusion, modern translations: NIV, NJKV, and NASB Bible have Elijah instead of Elias in(Mt 11:14); Luke 1:17)

    RE: N.T. born of water and the Spirit? …, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again=(Anothen,from above).(John 3:3).
    …. He(Jesus) gave the right(authority) to become children of God (John 1:12) Jesus saves not a church. i.e…

    Luke 23:43=[44 JST], Jesus on the cross says to the thief, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise".

    2 Corinthians 12:2-4,where Paul alludes to his vision of the third heaven and also to paradise; and Revelation 2:7,which describes the righteous who partake of the tree of life in the midst of God's paradise

  • EternalPerspective Eldersburg, MD
    July 9, 2013 8:42 a.m.


    I understand and respect your perspective. There are many that feel the same way. We in America are largely removed from the daily toils and struggles of primitive / ancient times with high mortality rates, constant war, pestilence, and many other factors.

    No one is prepared to exercise faith to know what they have not seen yet, until the desire to look beyond the mark of mortality turns into action. Then, one might seek for truth above what is readily experienced by their physical senses.

    None can or should compel another to relinquish agency to search for things they have no desire to discover with firsthand immersion. I was this way all of my life until recently. My father remains steadfast to this perspective. As much I want him to see what I have witnessed for certain, I have to respect his agency.

    Someday you may find yourself in the midst of a personal trial that stops you in your tracks to the point where everything is questioned. Sometimes people need situations like that to begin the process of exercising faith. That's the way it was for me. Carnal security is a powerful way to disbelieve in eternal things.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 9, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    @Eternal Perspective....
    I understand the doctrine completely. I just don't buy in to to.
    I don't believe for a minute that "His" will has anything to do with my existence on this earth. This isn't a "test", it's just life. Sometimes it's excellent, sometimes not so great. Don't think for a minute I'm not a happy man. I'm very comfortable in my own skin and love my life. Partly because I'm very comfortable not being told what to do. I enjoy my "agency".

  • EternalPerspective Eldersburg, MD
    July 9, 2013 3:12 a.m.


    The eternal sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ means all souls who ever did walk the earth will receive a perfected immortal body in the resurrection.

    However, those who do not repent, have faith in the Savior, and produce the works sufficient to receive this redeeming power, cannot be raised in the ressurrection where corruption becomes incorruption. Faith without is dead as Paul ascribes.

    But, what works are acceptable to God to be saved and what of those who never knew Jesus Christ or rejected Him in mortality? Surely, it is evident in the Old and New Testament that God's Priesthood authority and ordinances are required and only exist in His Church.

    If mere belief in Christ is all that is needed for salvation, or to receive the Kingdom of God, then what of justice for one's works? What of authoritative Baptism and the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands as explained in the New Testament to be born of water and the Spirit?

    Likewise, the dead must be extended mercy or else the word of God returns void because the law cannot apply to those who never heard it.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:47 a.m.

    Eternal Perspective wrote:

    "I am someone who now cares deeply for the welfare of the entire human race alive today in an ever darkening world."

    And some of us care deeply for the welfare of the human family without any god involved.

    What a shame that superstition and all the threats and next-world rewards are required to give some people incentive to feign "goodness"?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    July 8, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    RE: EternalPerspective, God may reveal sufficient eternal knowledge through the Holy Ghost/Spirit,same Greek word(pneuma)True,

    Early Christian creed, "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD(YHWH)“will be saved."( Romans 10:13;NLT)see Joel 2:32.

    who call on the name of the LORD, pray to him for grace and mercy, life and salvation, through Christ; that have a spiritual knowledge of God in Christ, real and sincere desires after him, and trust and confidence in him, which this phrase supposes; and which also includes the whole worship of God, internal and external, performed in a spiritual and Evangelical manner.

    Romans 9:27 Isaiah concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be “saved”.

    “Saved“ from what, what we are saved from is really a who—God Himself. That the glory of the gospel is that the One from whom we need to be saved is the very One who saves us.

    Eph 2:3 ,at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh …. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath:

  • EternalPerspective Eldersburg, MD
    July 8, 2013 11:38 a.m.


    Someone who once disbelieved as much as any atheist who ever lived. Yet in a moment of the most profound change in all my life, experienced a completely unforeseen, but unmistakable witness from God that has grown with many more like it over the past 4 years or so.

    I am an otherwise ordinary, if not weak person by worldly standards, whose perspective unalterably changed by spiritual events that cannot be explained by mere words. The more I partake of this light, truth, and knowledge through faith and obedience, the greater the everyday presence as a predominant focal point of my life.

    I am someone who now cares deeply for the welfare of the entire human race alive today in an ever darkening world. I have been down every road one might travel to find fulfillment and pleasure in the world until I was utterly humbled and prepared to receive that which only God can give when someone is ready, according to His plan and knowledge, not mine.

    Since I answered, though in brief, who are you?

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 8, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    @Eternal Perspective,
    Your post prompts me to ask: who are you.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    I love reading the comments of those self-righteous know-it-alls on these threads. It warms my heart to see how poorly they're treating their own members; and it leads me to question their own "faith" in their Lord. Judge not lest ye be judged...

  • EternalPerspective Eldersburg, MD
    July 8, 2013 4:01 a.m.


    With that many years being a member and not understanding, nor recognizing the importance of the parable of the ten virgins, have you drank deeply enough of personal spiritual conversion by seeking the Lord, to do His will over your own sufficiently, that thereby, the Holy Ghost has opened your spiritual eyes?

    I ask that question sincerely, yet meant to be pondered. Some Mormons go through the motions, but fail to grow testimony necessary to act upon faith, that God may reveal sufficient eternal knowledge through the Holy Ghost. This is the only way someone can become aware of the truthfulness of concepts like the parable of the ten virgins along with many other facets of doctrine in the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ upon the earth today.

    Those who have taken the Holy Ghost to be their guide and companion can see and remain aware of the ability to discern good and evil, that thereby they may choose the good parts and not become as the five foolish virgins. I invite you to prayerfully seek the Lord’s help in how you might change to better know and do His will.

  • donn layton, UT
    July 7, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    RE: “ spiritually prepared”
    You must be born again through saving faith in Jesus Christ…His death, burial and literal resurrection from the dead (John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Cor 15:1-4; Eph 2:1-10). The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) will begin to show. A desire for greater holiness and less sin will be apparent.

    The five virgins who have the extra oil represent the truly born again who have saving faith and are looking with eagerness to the coming of Christ.

    The five virgins without the oil represent false believers who enjoy the benefits of the Christian community without true love for Christ. “ Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    July 7, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    Rather than issuing wishy-washy vague warnings, why aren't leaders more explicit? Everybody will be tested. Duh.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 7, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    I've heard this stuff all my life. Please don't make the assumption that I'm not "schooled" in Church doctrine. I simply don't believe a thing about punishment, kingdoms and caring one little bit about the second coming. It makes no sense whatsoever.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 7, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Glad I'm not a woman, I got enough to worry about I don't need the lamp, she has to.

    July 7, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    The headline should read, "Just as with the 5 wise virgins, ..."


    For trials in this life, which serve both to strengthen us and to test us. Those who will be around for the Second Coming of the Savior will have to endure significant trials leading up to that event that will require significant spiritual strength. Those who won't be here during those trials will have their own personal challenges and trials.

    July 7, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    In October 2012 General Conference, Elder Bednar spoke of testimony and conversion, and how the 5 foolish virgins are representative of those with testimonies but lacking conversion, while the 5 wise virgins are representative of those with testimony who have become fully converted to the Lord. Perhaps we err in thinking that the 5 foolish virgins represent those who did not keep their covenants; perhaps they represent those who have testimonies, who are active, who keep their covenants, but have ceased moving forward in their conversion and are comfortable where they are.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 7, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    "Prepared for What? 61 years in the Church and I have no idea what that means. If I'm supposed to be "afraid" of the next life I'm guessing it can't be all that terrific to be there. Prepared or not.