@alt132It was 6. 6 progressive groups that were targeted vs. all
conservative groups applying at the same time. Of that 6, several were
approved. None of the dozens and dozens of conservative groups were approved .
I don't know if any of the 6 were asked for their membership rolls , or
emails and other proprietary information like the conservative groups were.
Susan Lerner apologized for this targeting - that's how ghe issue came to
light. And by the way, when an administration does something wrong,
lies about it, gets caught covering it up and then stonewalls, it 's a
scandal. Whether it's Watergate or Benghazi. The main difference is the
degree of media attention. Oh yeah, and no one died in the Watergate scandal.
@Riverton CougarIf you bothered to pay attention to the testimony troops
would not have arrived in time even if they were deployed when originally
considered. There's a difference between being wrong (as was the case with
the talking points given to Rice) and lying. "The liberal groups
were not really targeted, as is obvious in the whole scandal. They ignored the
liberal groups, even though they were told to look for progressive names as
well."That's incorrect. (See, I know the difference between
you being wrong and you lying because I'm sure your sources of news never
bothered to tell you about how the investigation was being improperly handled
and directed to ignore particular inconveniences).@VST"Then why were nine revisions of the original “talking points”
needed?"That was debunked by CNN as incorrect information."It turns out that the investigating Treasury Inspector General
failed to initially mention there were other “progressive hit
lists.”"Because he was directed to only investigate
conservative groups being targeted. "NO organizations (with
words like “progressive” in then) were denied receiving the
non-exempt tax status by the IRS"No conservative groups were
denied the tax status.
dumprake,"It's time for a million man march on the White
House--with guns."Armed rebellion? Do you not respect the
constitution? The constitution outlines how we resolve our political
differences and it is not via armed revolt.If it would be okay for
conservatives to arrive in Washington with guns to force change, would it be
okay for liberals to do the same? Should a million or so of them go to
Washington armed for conflict and ready to enforce their will?We
need to be very careful here. Our nation is an agreement to work together
within the constitutional framework. If we advocate going outside of that
framework we encourage others to do the same. The constitution will then be
effectively destroyed.If we truly respect and revere the
constitution, we use the prescribed systems to put in place constitutional
officers (congress, president, and supreme court justices) who agree with our
interpretation of the constitution.
atl134:Oh!This will improve health care, and lower the
deficit? Just give it time to set up?You believe the words of
To There You Go Again:No sir, there is no expectation that
businesses would start to hire again based on a one-year delay in implementation
of one portion of the law. Businesses will not hre full time workers with an
expectation of rapidly rising costs a year later.This is political
opportunism at its finest, coupled wi a recognition that the law is
unimplmentable in its current state. LIBS shoved this broken law down the
throats of the American people, and not only did not bother to read or
understand the law, but didn't even make sure that those authoring the law
had done an adequate job of crafting it so it could be reasonably
implemented.The ACA has introduced massive uncertainty on all
sectors of the American economy, raised taxes in a recession, heaped new
mandates on American businesses and citizens, and piled millions of new people
into a broken system - all without addressing a single major failure in our
current system.The ACA was a political power grab by the left that
will leave ALL Americans worse off. Sadly, the poor who it was designed to help
will be hurt the most.
"Republicans have told Americans that the ACA is THE REASON for the jobless
recovery.Now that the ACA is out of the way until 2015...We should witness an amazing 17 month job creating bonanza."It
is not repealed. Companies aren't going to suddenly start hiring because of
this delay. This was a political move to protect Democrats in the 2014 election.
It's so hilarious to watch repubs turn on their baby, Obamacare. In the 90s
Obamacare was their health care reform idea. Now, they're attacking it in
favor of kicking the can down the road and leaving millions of fellow Americans
without health care.Ronnie Reagan must be rolling in his grave
seeing what a joke his party has become. His party has clearly left him. He
would be a democrat today.
"Benghazi isn't a scandal"What? Obama mysteriously
disappears, "didn't know what happened", and Hicks testifies that
he told Hillary Clinton about it during real time, telling them it was a
terrorist attack and troops were ordered to stand down. Then, the White House
keeps calling it "mob violence" for weeks. No scandal? Then neither was
Watergate. Nobody died at Watergate."The IRS thing has been
revealed to show there was targeting of groups that had "progressive"
and other such things in their name. Turns out Issa only authorized an
investigation into conservative groups and had them ignore the matter of
targeting liberal groups too."This targeting had been going on
for months and months, but then finally after weeks of investigating the matter,
they THEN realize that they were "targeting" liberal groups too. What a
convenient discovery for the Democrats. Whew! They dodged a bullet there!The liberal groups were not really targeted, as is obvious in the whole
scandal. They ignored the liberal groups, even though they were told to look for
progressive names as well.Obamacare might be the straw that breaks
the camel's back. Ironically, the Affordable Care Act will bankrupt
Republicans have told Americans that the ACA is THE REASON for the jobless
recovery.Now that the ACA is out of the way until 2015...We should witness an amazing 17 month job creating bonanza.
These tweaks should have been done before the legislation was even introduced,
let alone passed!
The delay is likely illegal, and troubling enough for that alone. On top of the
whole Obamacare scheme being "a train wreck."Worse, however,
is this arrogant demonstration of imperial power by an autocrat who has adopted
the policy of ruling by executive order and fiat and ignoring the law.Anyone who thinks that the Senate version of Amnesty with its purported border
strengthening measures will be implemented by Obama (or his bureaucrats who will
be around long after his term ends) is delusional.It is fitting that
this was announced right before July 4th, so we can compare the actions of the
present administration against the tyrannical acts which drove our founders to
reject the only government they had ever known, in favor of one of freedom, and
the rule of law, not despotism.
@DemisanaFirst off the fine isn't 5,000. When fully implemented
it's 695 per person, and no higher than 2,085 per family (kids are half the
rate so 2,085 would be two parents two kids, kids beyond two don't increase
the fee).Alternatively the fee is 2.5% of income that exceeds a
minimum threshold (9,500 for single or 19k for married) which for a family
making 100k is $2,025. So I guess if you're a 200k a year income person
then you could get to 5,000 for the fine. However, the fee can never be higher
than the cheapest "bronze" plan so at some point the fee would basically
just be "take this insurance". Secondly... there's no
enforcement mechanism. Like seriously the IRS does not have the means to
actually collect the fine. (By the way, the IRS targeted liberal groups too, so
it wasn't used for political targeting, sorry that your right wing news
sources didn't cover that detail just like Issa ordered the investigation
to only focus on conservative groups being targeted).
The reporting requirements for Obamacare are more time intensive than for income
tax, according to my accountant boss. Seriously? Who can possibly still think
this is a good idea? Yeah, because making people pay a $5000 penalty, when they
can't afford healthcare, is really going to help them pay their doctor
bills when they happen. Not to mention, hmm, $5000 penalty, or 8-15K a year in
health insurance - nah, nobody's gonna choose the penalty over the
insurance... No company's gonna cut somebody's hours under 30, so
they won't have to cover them... No company's gonna refrain from
hiring the worker that will kick them over the top into Obamacare
territory...And, by all means, let's put the IRS in charge, the
same agency that lets itself be used for political purposes, that spends 70
million on "training conferences", that just audited 65% of people
claiming the adoption tax credit last year - most of which were below median
income. Yeah, great and productive use of time there... How stupid
do they think people are? Apparently they are right though, they got
Atl134: If you mean the government having more time in setting up the prison
cell of government control, I'll be voting against that, not that it will
help. So far, Americans seem quite ready to accept their prison cell numbers.
If socialism is what they want, then by all means lets give it to them. But,
let's not stop there, lets implement the whole program, communism.
Perhaps only then people will see the path they so easily walked down. We first
endure, then pity, then embrace.
Stupefying that there are still people out there who support this administration
and the corrupt members of both houses of Congress that blindly voted for this
fiasco of obamacare. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt and ppwer hungry. The ignorant
masses will always be fooled, but come on, aren't there enough obama voters
who will admit they made a horrendous mistake in voting for him and those who
support him? He knows the impact of a 2014 implementation will anger voters who
until then thought all was marvelous with Obamacare. So change the date to 2015
until elections are over. Couldn't be more blatant and obvious.
"In a move the critics suspect is meant to delay bad news until after the
next election . . . "Thanks, Deseret News, for the even-handed
lead. Journalism at its finest.
What just happened in Egypt?
Businesses were waiting this long to delay laying off employees, probably hoping
that somebody/anybody would fix a broken Obamacare system.It
hasn't happened. Demos. remain loyal to Obama/Obamacare.BUT -
quite a number of them couldn't possibly be elected in 2014 if the employer
mandate were implemented because it would (and will)drive up unemployment.I won't bother to list the growing number of problems with
Obamacare; suffice it to say, it won't work.The ONLY question
is: how much money do we flush down the toilet before demos. figure out it
@3grandslamsBenghazi isn't a scandal. The IRS thing has been revealed
to show there was targeting of groups that had "progressive" and other
such things in their name. Turns out Issa only authorized an investigation into
conservative groups and had them ignore the matter of targeting liberal groups
too. I guess you wouldn't know about that though because Fox News and
conservative radio didn't bother to mention it when it came out a week
ago.@worf"What's to get ready."The
healthcare exchanges Utah and other states chose to not set up? You know, the
exact thing I referenced in my initial comment.
Good for business`s but not their employees!
How many bewildered citizens are there out there that still believe that there
is a difference between the Democratic and Republican parties? If you
can't figure out that they are two sides of the same coin, you haven't
read the constitution lately. The bottom line of both is to stay in power, point
the finger of blame at the other, and when the Constitution is discussed, it is
an afterthought, a hindrance to the game. From Obamacare to NCLB, to Social
Security, to Welfare, to crony capitalism, to the Military complex, to Supreme
Court justices who won't defend the Constitution, it is all a sham for
further control. If you are looking to Washington to save you, you are going to
be sorely disappointed.
Thank you, worf! Hit the nail on the head.
"get it right?" This whole abominable disaster is wrong, nothing about
it is right. It's time for a million man march on the White House--with
This delay doesn't help. Businesses aren't going to all of a sudden
start hiring people because they now have an extra year.
atl134:What's to get ready.In 2015, employers still
won't afford insurance, and will lay-off, or cut epmployee hours.
Typical Obama supporting Corporate America and not the Individual. How sad
has our Country become especially having to deal with this around the 4th
Sounds like Nancy Pelosi STILL hasn't got around to reading the part with
the mandatory implementation date.
It's doing more than raising eyebrows, it's finally exposing the sham
that obamacare is. Add this to Bengahzi, IRS targeting scandal and the AP
easedropping and we have Nixon 2.0 version. The only thing worse is
a media industry that continues to protect him rather than hold him accountable.
Its another attempt by Obama and the Democrats to avoid accountability for their
complete mess, until after the 2014 elections of course! After the election
Obama can be "more flexible". Everything they told us about their
healthcare plan is totally wrong (a pack of lies)! What wonderful leadership.
Not! Honesty is such a lonely word in the Obama administration!
Of course it is political. He doesn't want the Democrats to get the blame
for this monstrosity at the 2014 elections. He knows he would lose control of
the Senate and loose more House seats, once the American public sees how bad
this bill will be. My company just announced yesterday a 6% increase in our
health care this year, plus we are going to renew again in December to lock in
rates for another year, knowing full well that next year rates will jump
dramatically. Obamacare was pushed through Congress against the American
people's will. We didn't want it and we still don't want it.
But Obama just had to leave his legacy of changing America into a European
state. Our forefathers left those countries for a reason.
Considering all the obstruction to putting things in place, most importantly the
exchanges, this shouldn't be that surprising. The system needs to be set up
for it to work and it's not ready yet.