Modesty: For it or against it? Passionate responses to swimsuit debate

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  • anneycatherine Jacksonville, FL
    Sept. 24, 2013 4:14 a.m.

    For me I think every women in this world is little shy and its up to her what she feels whether to wear the swim suits or not.

  • equusrider Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    What Struck me is the brain scans done in the study. Being LDS or not doesnt matter. I dont want a man looking at me with anything but respect: As a person, as a woman, as a human being, period. From these comments I suspect NO ONE saw the video. If seeing a scantily clad woman can turn off the mans brain ability to see me as a human being rather than as a tool or object to be used then Im ALL for modesty. It is not about people telling me how to dress. IT is ALL about having respect for myself and not making harder for others to have respect for me. WATCH the video before you weigh in. You will make a lot more sense.

  • donquixote84721 Cedar City, UT
    July 4, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    I am a 67 year old, "dirty old man," who thinks the female human body is the most beautiful of God's creations, both is form and function. Going nude would be interesting, in a perfect world, but in the real world, you would have to see as many fat old bodies, like mine, as you would see young firm bodies. I have entered a covenant to have sexual intercourse with no one but my wife, so I would rather not have bits and pieces of the private female parts, flashed. Amy female that uses her body to attract males, will only attract males that are only interested in her body. Some of the most beautiful females I have met, I would have problems giving a physical description of, as the light, from their spirit shines so bright, through their eyes, that it blinds me to their physical appearance.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 3, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    the resistance to modesty probably is 2 fold. first it is perceived as an attempt by some to get others to conform to their way of thinking and behaving AND so often what passes for modesty in women's clothing is ugly or unappealing

    the picture of the swimsuit and this article is definitely beautiful. most conservative people in Utah and most conservative people in the world would however not think that the swimsuit was modest.

    and that is the problem people want beauty in life. people appreciate beautiful scenery and the beautiful woman beautifully dressed as a part of what brings joy to my life.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Chango Supremo

    "What is the difference between wearing a bikini in public vs wearing lingerie in public?"

    The same difference as is a doctor examining a naked person vs. that doctor looking at naked people not in a clinical setting

  • mubando Chattanooga, TN
    July 3, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Someone mentioned in the article a biblical citation about causing another to sin. Here is a different reference: Nehemiah 13:26 -- Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.

    Now, Solomon was ultimately responsible for his own actions. But is it possible that we might be considerate of others in our own actions and demeanor, especially in matters which may affect their spirituality? Just wondering.

    I too strongly endorse the reality that modesty is not a one-gender issue. And that word embraces so much more than apparel!

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    @ Sheamus

    Who is pushing enforcing and pushing their agendas on the rest of the world? The LDS faith promotes it to its members, and the article is showing examples of swimsuits for those who do not want to wear two piece swimsuits.

  • Tamzintheuk Newton-le-Willows, 00
    July 3, 2013 5:58 a.m.

    Modesty is a form of self respect and gives the wearer and viewer of modest apparel a sense of comfort and safety. Why is it going against the grain to dress modestly? Why do so many girls feel compelled to bare all? Why is there such a need in so many people to conform and belong even if they feel uncomfortable showing their precious parts to others? And why do women feel the need to conform to wearing flimsy apparel so much more than men do? Also, how is that equality?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 3, 2013 4:58 a.m.

    What's an even bigger self centered misconception by most young girls and women is that men are turned on by their string bikinis, I think the insult a woman's body and figure.

    This girl is on to something women should pay attention too. Modesty and showing less is more alluring to a man than running naked on the beach or in a home. Some things on the body should remain a mystery for men. Men's imaginations will do the rest and attract more desirable companions to their side.

    Woman should stop dressing and looking how they do for each other and concentrate on less is more. Painted girls attract painted guys who are just as fake as they present themselves.

    And encase they haven't noticed, their are more men into more of a woman than advertizes are willing to admit. Women waste so much money on masking themselves when all a man wants is one who is pleasant and cordial to be around. And all that makeup taste yucky and terrible and a turnoff that shuts down any hormonal attractions.

    We like modesty, its a real guy catcher.

  • Marie Ferguson Glenning Valley, Australia, NSW
    July 3, 2013 2:01 a.m.

    Joining the church 30 years ago, I read where President Kimball said that we should wear modest one piece swimsuits. Our bodies are temples of God. That was good enough for me. My very immodest bikini went into the garbage bin. What is one rule for the youth is not necessarily one rule for the adult women. The length of skirts and wearing of leggins under short skirts seems to be becoming the norm. We have the responsibility of teaching the youth by our examples. We also have the responsibility by being obedient to what our Prophets and Apostles teach us. Wanting to send an article to the Ensign, I read of the conditionsfor sending a story and they stress For the Strength of Youth dress guidelines. Once again if it is good enough for the Ensign to publish, it is good enough for me. We are meant to be different, peculiar, to the world and following the worldly fashions is not good enough for me. I always think, How would I feel dressed like this in front of the Saviour. Notice in the temple, Heavenly Father and the Saviour dress very modestly. Good enough for me.

  • Phil Allred New Rochelle, NY
    July 2, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    To Amy Grigg, I would ask, doesn't the phrase, 'am I my brothers keeper?' ring any bells? To say you are "I'm a cross-wearing, Hanukkah-celebrating rosary-loving hijab-wearing Mormon" doesn't exempt you from the lessons of Genesis 4. Even the serpent didn't get away with that one.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 2, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    It's interesting to note the piety of some, such as this comment "it's primarily a young man's responsibility to control himself and keep his thoughts from straying..." Really? Per which verse of scripture?

    If God had intended for men to not have sexual desires, he would not have given them. But he did. He commanded us to not commit adultery and to not lust after another woman. That's where the challenge comes.

    Women, in general, tend towards enjoying admiration. Which leads to their fixing themselves up so that the attract gazes (including wearing skimpy bathing suits).

    And if women are attracting admiring looks, they're happy...and so are those doing the admiring.

    And this process often leads to dating and to...marriage. So, it isn't always bad.

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    July 2, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    There are some valid questions here about what constitutes modesty and what about the guys.
    Not all bikinis are constituted equal. Some are slightly less revealing.
    Girls and women are not responsible for the thoughts of men. Men and boys will think what they will, no matter what women are wearing.
    However, if girls and women purposely dress to get men and boys to look at them in a sexual way, they do bear responsibility for their intentions and their actions. Women need to be honest with themselves about what their intentions are, just as men do.
    This fashion of men and boys wearing their pants around their knees, exposing their behinds, is obnoxious and certainly not modest.C'mon guys.It looks stupid. Looks like you haven't got a brain so you want people to focus on your rear end.
    I don't have a problem with sleeveless shirts, but I think showing underwear straps is tacky. I couldn't care less about the examples set by movie stars of tackiness. It's still tacky.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    July 2, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Being a woman it is very offensive to me to see some woman prancing around with half of her body hanging is not attractive and I think it demeans her opinion of herself.

  • ambistoes Vernal, UT
    July 2, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    I was very well endowed as a teenager and it was extremely DIFFICULT to find a modest and supportive one-piece swimsuit! Eventually, I gave up and was wearing bikinis because they had more support than one-pieces. As an adult, I've had to order modest one-piece swimsuits from Europe. I'm so grateful for modest swimsuit companies that have sprouted up!!! Obviously, it's due to supply and demand. Women aren't fully to blame for men's minds wandering. However, if you've been taught, through your religion, what you CAN do to be a part of bettering the environment for men and women, then guess what, you should do it! That doesn't mean that I condone condemning anyone as a bad person if they are immodest. NO ONE has mentioned children so far and how immodesty affects them. My young son has told me about his curiosity of the female body and that's natural and understandable. Yet, he said that he's VERY EMBARRASSED around a particular aunt who is very immodest. I wish she would be more considerate!

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    July 2, 2013 7:33 p.m.


    Then a guy should be able to do the same... even if it is a thong!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    July 2, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    To me that girl in the photo is more attractive than if she were in a bikini.

  • Quagthistle Utica, KS
    July 2, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    If you ask me, swimsuits are less about modesty and more about hydrodynamics. Who cares what a girl looks like in a swimsuit because you probably won't see much of it in the water, anyway. (And why would you wnat to wear a swimsuit if you weren't planning to swim in it?) One piece swimsuits give better hydrodynamics (in my experience) by covering up body curves, and the ones with skirts have *horrible* hydrodynamic properties because the skirt introduces way too much unneccessary drag. Besides, it has to be harder to enjoy swimming in a bikini because those straps looks terribly flimsy and easy to break to untie with a cannonball or backflip into the pool. Who wants to deal with that kind of embarassment? Thus, a one-piece swimsuit just makes the most sence (and, if it's more modest, all the better).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    A woman should be able to wear whatever kind of swimsuit she wants without being derided over it being too modest or too immodest.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    July 2, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Looking at this issue from an LDS point of view, yes, it's primarily a young man's responsibility to control himself and keep his thoughts from straying where they shouldn't, but if the young women they associate with care about their brothers, they will want to support them in this by not making it harder.

  • bebe nz, 00
    July 2, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Obviously,taking the sacrament was wasted on these two parties,no doubt the spirit quickly left the room when they clashed,I agree get to church early if you want to be seated together, and if some one else sits down don't get annoyed be of good cheer (chair) and share.....:)

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    For LDS, the Holy Spirit is offended by immodest dress and won't reside with the person if they are immodestly dressed.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    July 2, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    What is the difference between wearing a bikini in public vs wearing lingerie in public?

  • Michael Roche Provo, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    As a guy, I have mixed feelings about this. But if you absolutely must wear a bikini, please (1) shave, (2) weigh less than 170, and (3) wear sunscreen. You need to keep your skin healthy for your man. Or woman.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    July 2, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    OK to all what is Modesty?

    The Amish it is one thing.
    To the Middle East it is another
    Movie Stars it is yet another.
    LDS it is per the Strength of Youth Pamphlet.

    In many parts of the world being naked on the beach is not immodest. Others can not even show their face. Movie stars seem to be the ones that make trends yet they do not seem to be the best examples. Sports Illustrated seems to think that their Swim Suit Issue is OK. Must be modest. Yet to me it looks more like soft Porn. Is Porn modest? Seems to have a HUGE following.

    So where is your line in the sand? So what is Modest and what is not?

    I like the guy who was appalled at the rules imposed by BYU on premarital Sex and Modesty. After complaining to the point of argument he then admitted he now knew where his daughters were going to go to college.

    You think it does not affect society, think again. I personally think that there is a happy medium. The Strength of the Youth pamphlet seems to sum that up very well.

  • Aephelps14 San Luis Obispo, CA
    July 2, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Love this article...mostly because it states very much what I feel personally. However, I also understand that others may have different feelings about what constitutes modesty and I respect that. I think we need to be careful about taking the responsibility from men and giving it to women where having "impure thoughts" or actions is concerned. That can be confusing and send the message to men and women that men can't control themselves, which is absolutely untrue and does not give them the credit they deserve. It can also give undue responsibility and guilt to women.

  • Sheamus Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    JimE -

    Dressing modestly is not common sense. What makes it common sense? Your verbiage implies modesty is not a choice but a mandate. When did modesty equal respect? In addition to that, you are in denial that men and women will still have carnal desires whether someone is modest or not. Man or Woman can still imagine what is being worn under a suit or dress. No worse than seeing someone dressed immodestly isn't it?

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Talking about modesty is an efficient way to focus thoughts on sex. In countries where there is no obsession with modesty, women are always dressed modestly.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 2, 2013 3:16 p.m.


    You like the fact that your daughter doesn't want to swim because she feels too exposed and thinks it is immodest? That is kind of messed up. People, including your kids, shouldn't feel shame about wearing a bathing suit. That is flat out strange.

    July 2, 2013 2:50 p.m.


    I agree completely. I hate that people are always judging and "slut shaming" women for the way they dress. They always say that if a woman dresses a certain way she will be gawked at by men. How about teaching men to control themselves? They always say that a woman dressing a certain way will lead to rape. Yet, when a man is raped, no one asks what he was wearing, or why he was in that part of town at night. The expectation is that women are supposed to limit their own liberty as to where they go and what they do because men can't be expected to control themselves. As a man, I resent that. A woman should dress the way she wants and be able to go where she wants when she wants.

  • JimE Kaysville, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Dressing modest is just common sense. Be it a man or woman. It shows that you respect yourself and those around you. To dress immodestly and then put the burden on others to control their own thoughts is just plain irresponsible. No wonder this country is swirling around the toilet and ready to go under.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    July 2, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I find it funny that as a society we seem to have no problem publically debating what Women wear, but what about men? And I'm a dude. But you never see any on-line debate about men who wear a pair of shirts without a shirt at the beach, but when a Woman wears a bikini all of a sudden it’s somehow scandalous? Really? I’m guessing there are very few on-line debates about guys and tight shorts that might reveal too much, in fact as a society we usually laugh that off as being “European” or just odd, but rarely is it mentioned when considering “modesty.” Why is this conversation only germane to women’s beachwear? Where are the women commenting about men’s wear being immodest? Not only does this discussion seem a bit antiquated, it also seems a bit misogynistic too. I like the advice in the article though, wear what makes you feel compfortable and don't worry about what others are wearing or thinking. If you want to set an example of modesty, go right ahead.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    "The temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

  • noellecampbell ,
    July 2, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    One of the things I like best about this trend, is it allows girls, like my daughter, who don't want to go swimming BECAUSE swimsuits make her feel overexposed, to feel comfortable doing a 'normal' summer activity. Doesn't every parent want that for their daughter?

  • Sandra N GLENDALE, AZ
    July 2, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    It is so funny to me, that people can come so unglued over modesty. We know if you want a string bikini, you can get one. Those of us who like to be covered up more, should be able to do so--whatever our reasons without having to debate the reasoning.

  • Sheamus Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    I am tired of others enforcing and pushing their agendas on the rest of us, that their way is the right way and we all need to conform. Modesty is always a topic among LDS - why? I being LDS( I do not push my religious agenda on others) could care less if a fellow LDS or other was wearing a bikini or not, or whether it was modest or not. What is the purpose of being modest, to inhibit men from gawking? Who defines modesty? Shouldn't it be the individual? I just don't get it, and never will.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    In many countries that picture would be extremely IMMODEST

    Perhaps she should market swimsuits that truly are modest, covering ankles to head?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    To wear a bikini or one piece, that is the question?

    I don't particularly look good in a bikini. I just don't have the girlish figure or the hips. My chest hair would be off-putting. However if I did, I would be evaluated by all who see me. Some would think I was nuts. Some would applaud me. They would all have an opinion. That is why this guy does his best to wear appropriate clothes (with a great deal of help from my wife). Gone are the days I could get away with wearing socks and sandals together.

    Women tend to judge wardrobe much more than men. They also dress for each other more than in getting a guys attention. It is a conscious choice in what clothes they put on, and is the way they wish to be presented.