Hollywood in the hole; R-rated films to blame?

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  • Todd_i Midway, UT
    July 6, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    Movie theatres, especially those in rural areas with few screens hate the Hollywood business machine. Theatres make money mostly on concessions and very little on the ticket price. Most of the ticket price goes directly to HW. But HW dictates what shows must be shown and one or two screen theatre get tied up with low grossing R films that don't fill the theatre and sell tickets or concessions. It sounds to me that it is time for alternative film centers to compete with HW and create products people want to see.

    I don't see many films anymore because there is often a gulf between my morals and HW. Sometimes it is a story that doesn't interest me or a lame production. When I do see a film it is usually on DVD so that I can easily turn off the film.

    I'd sure like to see HW acting talent and production skill put to use to create productions from middle America.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    July 5, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    I wonder when Hollywood will get their bailout; for making movies no one wants to watch.
    Just like US car makers got their bailout; by making cars no one wants to buy.
    Remember the new capitalist system; private profits, and public risk.

  • policyoftruth83 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 4, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    Hollywood is in the hole because of the poor quality of the films and also internet pirating. Saying that "R" movies are losing Hollywood money is totally false. Films like "The Hangover" and "Django Unchained" are two examples of the many that profit far more than they cost.

    Plus two of of the biggest flops of the last couple of years have been PG and PG-13 rated movies, "John Carter" and "Jack the Giant Slayer." If Hollywood would produce films for less and make them better with better stories and character development, their profits would increase. But sadly Hollywood produces a ton of watered down tripe like remakes and reboots, and films with endless CGI.

    To debunk the claim that Hollywood is losing money because of sex and violence just look at the successful television series, "Game of Thrones." If it weren't for internet pirating, that show would be taking in even more.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 3, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    I love rated R movies because I usually don't have to put up with chatty children, and crying baby's, oh and I'm an adult who doesn't think that hollywood should cow tail to the religious crowd and make every film sterilized for 8 years olds. Last film I walked out of was "passion of the christ" nothing but a 2 hour snuff film of another Mel Gibson dream.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Sorry, you're all wrong. Hollywood is hurting because they used to rely on DVD sales to supplement box office revenues, and those have essentially tanked. The newest revenue stream is foreign sales. But foreign markets like crappy action films--the more 'splosions the better. So Hollywood is becoming more and more risk-averse, making more and more dumb movies, chasing foreign sales. And turning off a higher and higher percentage of their domestic markets. Hard to see how this plays out in the future. You can only make so many superhero movies.

  • Befuddled WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    When Hollywood produces a product worth viewing and the actors shut their months about political views, I'll start buying their product again!

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    July 1, 2013 4:51 p.m.


    I think you are confusing the recycled risk-adverse stuff Hollywood puts out versus the smut that it put out by the porn industry in L.A's San Fernanado Valley. The Valley's Smut business is a $10 Billion per year enterprise.

    Saw two PG-13 Movies this weekend. Friday night, was a low budget charmer, "Much Ado About Nothing". The dialog was sparkling. There were no car chases, Bad language, nor violence. Who is this Bill Shakespeare cat? Hope he puts out more films soon. The Second one started with another delighful short "Umbrellas" , The feature film, Monster's U, will probably make Disney a ton of money. While this film didn't paticularly tickle my fancy- waiting around to the end of the credits to see the Easter Egg made my the evening fun afterall.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    July 1, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    This article is quite funny. The headline leaves you to believe Hollywood is losing money on R-Rated movies. The article doesn't back that up. It just says they tend to gross less at the box office. This is not a surprise when you restrict the audience. At no point does the article say they're not still making enormous profits off of the movies.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 9:03 p.m.

    Maybe one of the reasons, besides those mentioned above, that movies cost so much to produce and therefore go into the red could be the salaries paid to the "stars". Maybe someone will come up with the idea that the actors get scale plus a percentage of the profit.

    I wonder how many are that secure in their box office draw or talent as an actor?

    It is all about the art isn't it?

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 30, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Liberals love to push filth and violence in their quest to destroy the family and the American culture in general. They refuse to accept the results of such films that impact us every day. Profanity is not artistic. Crude stories are not artistic. Hollywood lacks the ethics and talent to produce quality entertainment. They do love the Obama fantasy they see every day on TV. Too bad they do not have equal regard for our country.

  • A view from the Beltway Purcellville, VA
    June 30, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    It looks like the law of supply and demand are working well. When Hollywood produces films that are worth watching a paying for, consumers respond by buying their product. When they produce products that do not meet their consumers' needs, they go elsewhere or in this case to other things with their time and money.

    Artistic freedom is important, but artists who do not meet their consumers needs, starve.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    June 30, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    To Tyler Ray

    You forgot to add the Koran to your list of religious texts where the end justifies the mean?

    "it takes real talent to make comedy without vulgarity (I.E. Bill Cosby and Ellen)"

    You left out Groucho Marx & Monty Python.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    I can't believe the DN has another Blame Hollywood for failing morals in America article. Snicker!?

    TO LDS Liberal 6/29

    Thanks for the rational, succinct, and common sense post approach to a bunch of drivel.

    Me? I love big budget action movies. Its escapism. You can't beat a Bruce Willis movie IMO.

    One of the better movies this year on all levels was "Now you see me". Oz, though, was disappointing.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    Folks, You vote with your wallet.

    Hollywood is a business,
    If you don't like, don't see it.

    Meanwhile --
    all the "dirty movies" have moved to the internet.

    Ironically, Utah leads the nation with that one too.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    June 29, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    @ KJB1,

    While the Bible and Book of Mormon may have violence, sex, and terrible people in them, the overall message of the books is one of peace, love, justice, charity, etc.

    Most R rated movies are rated that way because their message is the opposite. Of course there are always exceptions, (war movies) but overall I agree with Valjean.

    Any idiot can make a movie that has vulgarity, unneccessary violence, porn etc.
    it takes real talent to make comedy without vulgarity (I.E. Bill Cosby and Ellen)

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    June 29, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Hollywood cinema not only dug a hole for itself - but drowned itself in its own cesspool.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Fortunately Hollywood is not the only source of movies. English language movies are made throughout the 'Anglosphere' and NON-Hollywood movies made in the USA.

    I don't think the 'R' rating is the only thing to avoid though. I recall "Saving Private Ryan'- rated 'R' because it showed the true horror of war although it had no 'smut', perversion, or anything usually associated with R ratings. War movies in which no one bleeds may have a worse overall effect on impressionable minds which need to know that war is hell and should be avoided where possible.

    I have seen G rated movies that have been innocent, like Mr Bean's Holiday, or uplifting like Narnia. Yet one of the most repulsive movies I can recall was the "Princess Diaries" a Disney movie which centered on a nasty, arrogant, self centered girl and presented her High School, in once scene, as a place wher the boys and girls were all necking with one another. What's the redeeming message? Many Disney movies are charming but often have bad messages.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    June 29, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    I recommend reading a book "Hollywood vs America", which was recommend by President Hinckley in one of his books. I stopped watching R rated fiction movies when I returned to the church a year ago. Big turnaround on the way I think today.

  • Max for President Brighton, MA
    June 28, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Lets call it like it is. If the only head-scratching disconnect you see here is a defunct business model you need to open your eyes. There is a major morality disconnect between the Hollywood crowd and the rest of America. And the fact is, like the left media, out-of-touch, self-absorbed Hollywierd prizes shaping moral opinion and peddling their debase value system far more than any business model that makes sense, or money. And alas we see, the dog eating it's own tail.

    And like the Emperor's new clothes, Not until we realize that this community made up of purveyors of R-rated filth ONLY exists because WE uphold them, will we make progress.

    People, stop paying your Taxes to Hollywierd at the box office all together, and their microphone gets yanked. Its that simple.

  • the_narrator claremont, ca
    June 28, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Let's see. Movies that are made to make $$ and for a wider audience tend to get a larger audience and makes more $$; while movies made for a limited audience and perhaps not just to make money tend to have a smaller audience and make less $$.

    Quick, tell Hollywood!!

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    June 28, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    When I was a kid, my parents seldom went to the movies without us children. Therefore, if there had been ratings back then, my parents wouldn't have viewed a single R rated movie and probably not too many PG13 movies either.

    Today, my family is my first priority and if the movie makers want me to view their movies, they had better be suitable for children as well. I don't want to hear F bombs. I don't want to know what somebody was doing in the bedroom. I don't want to see 30 people killed in the first five minutes. I do want good music, clean humor, and family values. I would easily double my budget for movies if there were more movies worth seeing. Even with my kids now mostly grown, I want to see entertainment that is clean, amusing and meaningful.

    Hollywood should clean up their act. They may not want their movies to be censored, but in the end, every movie goer censors what they watch. Many of us won't buy a ticket to see overdone sex, violence, and profanity.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    June 27, 2013 6:44 p.m.


    A faithful adaptation of the Bible would probably be NC-17. The Book of Mormon is also a pretty bloody book. I guess they were both created by "weak minds."

    Or maybe art is supposed to be a reflection of life, and life isn't always PG or "family friendly." Sometimes life is sexual, sometimes it's violent, and often it has "mature themes." Why can't there be movies that reflect this? Not every movie, of course, but perhaps some?

    And the claim that there are "no good movies out there" is just laziness. Thanks to the Internet, DVD, and cable TV, it's never been easier for anybody to find something that they'd like to watch. Do the research, see if it'd be suitable for you and your family, and enjoy. It's really sad to watch such a prize art form as film being thrown under the bus just so people can feel indignant and then pat themselves on the back for being so morally superior to those heathens in Hollywood. All I can say is that you're missing out...

  • djk blue springs, MO
    June 27, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    what i hear from members 'well it is only r because some just cannot handle the language, skin and violence but i can handle it. really isn't that bad . ' i respond with 'pres hinckley asked members to stand for right, see movies that are redeeming , listen to music which uplifts and is good.' then i get their own version of the churches standards which is sad. i was taught to 'listen to the prophet he knows the way' and that was before the primary song was written. as members we NEED to stand up for right and good entertainment.

  • Daniel Leifker San Francisco, CA
    June 27, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Last Sunday I went to see a movie. Admission was $10.25. You could buy a ticket online and pay an extra $1.50, but then you had to pick up your ticket at a special kiosk in the lobby. The line for the kiosk was 3 times longer than the line to buy tickets. Parking was $8 with the theater discount, normally $20. The concession stand offered a special: two large drinks and one large popcorn for $19.50. For some odd reason they posted the calorie contents of everything, and that popcorn-and-drinks special had a staggering 3110 calories. Show was supposed to start at 1:20pm but it actually started at 1:38pm because of all the previews. They showed an endless number of previews and then showed a message that said, "This next preview has been approved to be shown with the feature movie you are seeing." This means they get to show you even more previews. I rarely go to movies any more, and I don't bother watching R-rated movies. I have a moral objection to being entertained by human suffering, even when it's fictitious and it's the bad guys getting hurt.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    Let them go broke. Nobody will miss the smut and maybe we can start to put this country back on a moral track

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    I guess this IS a place where we can have a voice since we don't have one with the Supreme COurt these days. If we quit going to see their smut they will eventually have to start making something clean and worth watching.
    I have not been to a movie in years because of a personal revolt against Hollywood.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    June 27, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    Steven Spielberg and George Lucas recently spoke to a group of USC film students and said a few surprising things.

    First, that the Hollywood industry is less and less willing to take risk with original, creative film projects.

    Second, because some films which the Hollywood industry thought would be money makers, but ended up being total flops, movie ticket prices may be going up very high. A $7.00 ticket today may by $20, $25 or possibly even $50 a year from now.

    Third, that Spielbergs film "Lincoln" on;y made it to theaters because Spielberg owned part of his production company. Had another film maker directed it, it would have priemered on the History Channel, as Hollywood would not risk a period film going against the recycled super hero movies which come out every year.

    My wife and I don't really go to movies in theaters anymore. If there's something we really want to see, we generally just wait until its avialable on DVD or streaming.

  • Beaver Native Garland, UT
    June 27, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Hollywood is more concerned with breaking moral boundaries than it is with providing the mainstream public with the type of entertainment the majority will support.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 27, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Most stuff that comes out of Hollywood these days is predictable, familiar, violent, sexual, stereotyped garbage. Once in a while you will get a decent film - such as the recent Wizard of Oz - but they are few and far between. Hollywood gives the public what they want - right? So whose fault is the sharp decline in film quality?

  • politicalcents West Jordan, UT
    June 27, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    While it may be true that R-rated films have more on the bottom line, the artistic folk in Hollywood are not always about money. They often are about getting noticed and known for their abilities. What still is fact, is that more people are viewing the movies that are PG-13, PG, and G. Financially speaking, if I knew that I could draw in over a billion dollars in ticket sales by keeping it PG-13 or better, business sense would tell me to increase the profit margin while producing a quality film. Also, the ticket sales don't factor in to account post film merchandise. i.e. Star Wars apparel and toys are still being sold from movies that were made 30 years ago.

    Also, facts like this show us how media truly is much more perverted than the majority of the population. Hollywood makes smutty movies and tv shows, but the majority go to see less smut. In a way, definitely gives hope in humanity a bit.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    June 27, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    There are very few films worth going to. Sex, violence, crude stuff. It doesn't surprise me. I certainly don't waste my money on them.

    June 27, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    PG-13 action movies make so mcuh money because they are aimed at teen boys - who like to go to the movies.

    I think a lot of the reason Hollywood is losing money at the theater is because everyone knows the movie will be out on DVD and Video on Demand within 6 months. It takes something special for me to hand ove $10+ per person to see a movie that I'll soon be able to watch for $4 for a room full of people.

    The only ones we see at the theater are the ones that will be better on a big screen - like The Avengers (another reason PG13 movies are the most seen)

  • shimmer Orem, UT
    June 27, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    I find it interesting that PG-13 movies make so much money seeing how they are the least creative out of any film that you can find in theaters. They are all mindless superhero/action movie sequels that rely on special effects instead of good acting, cinematography, storytelling and so on.

  • Valjean Los Alamos, NM
    June 27, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    "There's a lot that today's PG-13 movies can get away with, but filmmakers may feel (an R rating) lets them tell their story more realistically and with more personality."

    It leaves me wondering if an R film represents a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.

    However, the inability of screenwriters and producers to tell a compelling story within the strictures of a PG rating is just one symptom of an underlying lack of talent. I can't say that I'm impressed with most recent Hollywood films in the other ratings category.

  • PhotoSponge nampa, ID
    June 27, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    That's because most of what comes out of Hollywood is stupid! It has no substance. We have more intelligence than they give us credit for. They have lost the ability to write good movie screenplays. There are no more Carey Grants or Charleton Hestons or Myrna Loys; Hollywood has lost the greats.

  • ApacheNaiche PINETOP, AZ
    June 27, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    As the immortal Lou Holtz once said "Never tell anyone your problems. 20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you're having them".

  • DebAdams Safford, AZ
    June 27, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Exciting news! My husband and I are parents of five awesome children ages 13 to 32, and we have three awesome grand children. I am a "G" rated Mom. Some of my family does watch PG, which I do not encourage. Family Feature Films are brilliant to "Clean Up" other's movies and make them viewable. The NEST series is great too. They have the Animated hero classics, New and Old Testament,Modern Prophets, and the Book of Mormon. SO... keep the films "G" so everyone can watch. Family rated movies is proven in the film industry to make more money, G rated makes the world HAPPY, they educate and uplifts the people.
    We need more happiness in the world. I recently graduated with my B.S. in Elementary Education, I plan only viewing "G" rated at school too!!! Thank you for all the great movies out there. I love the movies that our church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints produce...they are the best!!

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    June 27, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    Ratings have little to do with it. For the most part, Hollywood is just not making movies that people really want to see. R-rated films can make money, but most are over the top.

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    I agree with the basic leaning of this article--I too, would like to see fewer releases of R-rated movies and more of PG13 movies. However, the statistics cited are all about gross revenues, not net profits. The writer admits that R-rated films are cheaper to produce. And many R-rated movies are quirky, ego trip one-offs produced on low budgets for small-audience film festivals. If we were to compare say, all the net profits generated by all 2012 R-rated movies costing $20 to $40 million to produce vs. all the net profits generated by PG13 movies in the same production cost range, would the PG13 movies still average higher net profits? From this article, we have no way of knowing. While Hollywood has plenty of artistic devotees, the film industry remains most devoted to the bottom line. If R-rated movies always generated smaller net profits (not just lower gross revenue), they wouldn't keep producing them.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    June 27, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    This simplifies the issue too much. Another problem in Hollywood is that they make these action movies with $200 million dollar budgets and then lose big if the movie doesn't do well at the box office. The best returns on movies are low budget productions with high quality stories, directing, and acting. A movie that cost $3 million to make and then takes in $80 million at the box office is far more profitable than one that cost $200 million to make and then took in $250 million at the box office. Hollywood simply relies on big budget sequels. A better way to look at the results is to average production and distribution costs of making R-rated and PG-13 movies and then look at how much money the movie made and compare those stats in each rating category. Just lumping movies together in ratings categories to see how much money the average movie made tells you absolutely nothing.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 27, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    I too am sick of the church of Hollywood.
    With social media it is so easy to borrow a movie from a friend and watch it without giving Hollywood any money.
    I just set up a Facebook group, invited friends to join and on a Friday night when I want to watch a movie I just post to the group and ask if any body has Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I don't even have to subscribe to Net Flicks.

    Don't forget to rewind those DVDs.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    I hope Hollywood goes broke.

    They are doing their best to flood the earth with smut.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 26, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    It would be nice if Hollywood produced something that I would willingly pay money for. Even many PG-13 films are nothing but glorified trash with soft core porn in it. Hollywood has its own agenda: promote immorality. Sex sells.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    Hollywood liberals are why no one wants to go to the movies.........every film has an undying subliminal message.....global warming, gay marriage, abortion, fracking, vote Obama, support communism.......sick of the church of Hollywood shoving its religion down our throats.......
    Couldn't pay me to watch a movie these days.....and I used to go every week sometimes twice....now I haven't been in years, they all stink!

  • mikesmullin EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT
    June 26, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    what WOULD be surprising is if Hollywood took responsibility for their own lame content instead of blaming internet pirates for lackluster sales

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    June 26, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    This is interesting but still old news. On average, PG and PG13 movies have grossed more (and a lot more) per movie than R rated movies have for as long as the current rating system has been in place. What is most curious about this is that there still seem to be people genuinely perplexed as to why Hollywood insists on making as many R rated films as they do. It isn't that difficult to understand. By and large, movies are made by people who are morally vapid so of course their movies reflect that. And of course, there is also the all-powerful human ego to factor in. No one is going to tell these producers that they have to censor something even though it might make financial, or heaven forbid...moral sense... to do so. Their main argument? To censor would make the film less realistic. PLEASE!!! (How many sex scenes in movies are between two elderly people...overweight people... unattractive people in general?). LOL