Well, gee, areen't ALL coaches trying to be the next Rodney Dangerfield?
And, don't they all ALWAYS come off with great one-liners? And one more
thing. Forget the one-name idea! Both names used together are so unique and
even poetic. "Bronco Mendenhall" has a very nice "ring" to it.
The two names go together like, well, "love and marriage" or "horse
and carriage". Please don't try to change this man. He is great just
the way he is. And, thanks in advance.
The UNLV game debacle was in Vegas (not a home game).
"As for UNLV, Utah is .875 all-time against them. You guys are .833. And
since .875 > .833, you guys have no room to talk."Actually,
yes we do. You see, the team we cheer for doesn't usually lose to bad
teams. I'm not going to say never, because it does happen from time to
time. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure it
has happened. However, one thing that BYU does NOT do is get embarrassed by bad
teams. Whereas, I can easily name two smack downs the Utes have suffered:
Getting shut out by UNLV at home, for one; losing at home to a Colorado team
that hadn't won a road game in, what, 4 years or so, for another.But that is beside the point. I cheer for BYU. I couldn't care less
about Utah anymore. When they were in the same conference I did, because a
strong performance out of conference by a conference rival is always a boost to
the team I cheer for when they play each other. Some people, however, care more
about belittling another team than cheering for their own.
(continued)BYU vs. PAC 10/12: 9-8 (.529)Utah vs. PAC 10/12: 11-14
(.440)BYU vs. PAC 10/12 w/winning records: 3-6 (.333) Utah vs. PAC
10/12 w/winning records: 2-12 (.143)BYU vs. PAC 10/12 w/losing records:
6-2 (.750)Utah vs. PAC 10/12 w/losing records: 9-2 (.818)Winning
percentage of all the PAC 10/12 teams BYU has faced: 93/107 (.465)Winning
percentage of all the PAC 10/12 teams Utah has faced: 149/158 (.485)To me it looks like Utah has a slight edge over BYU over all BCS teams, while
BYU has a slight edge against PAC 10/12 competition. Neither advantage is great
enough to boast about. Indeed, neither team has an impressive team against BCS
or PAC 10/12 competition. Just wanted to get the objective stats out there.
BYU vs. Utah in the Mendenhall/Wittingham era (2005-2012)BYU vs.
BCS teams: 12-14 (.462)Utah vs. BCS: 19-16 (.542)BYU vs. BCS
w/winning records: 5-12 (.294)Utah vs. BCS w/ winning records: 7-13
(.350)BYU vs. BCS w/losing records: 7-2 (.778)Utah vs. BCS w/losing
records: 12-3 (.800)Winning % of BCS teams that have played BYU: 174-154
(.531)Winning % of BCS teams that have played Utah: 224-218 (.507) (continued)
NevadaCougThe giant elephant in the room that Utah fans like
navelvet conveniently choose to ignore is that if Utah's record against
bcs/ranked teams was really as impressive as they pretend it to be, why did BYU
finish in the Top 25 more often than the Utes?Despite their spin
about bowl wins, SOS, etc, etc, etc, during the most successful period in Utah
football history,Top 25 FinishesBYU 6 > Utah 5* crickets *
NevadaCoug:"...But which BCS teams did Utah play?...I don't
remember them playing Oklahoma in Texas...I don't remember them playing USC
much before joining the PAC 12."Utah played Wash, Wash St, Ore,
Ore St, Cal, USC, UCLA, Ariz, Ariz St, Colo, Pitt, Ga Tech, Iowa St,
L'ville, Mich, Ala, Tx A&M, UNC, and Ind. And while we never played
Okla in TX, we still beat plenty of BCS teams that finished with a similar 8-5
record or better."I'd be very interested in seeing some
research about the quality of the BCS opponents BYU played compared to the
quality of BCS opponents that Utah played. Maybe the research would back up your
assertions that Utah was better against quality opponents."The
30 BCS teams your big brother beat finished with a .449 record. The 20 teams
the Indy-WACers beat finished with a .398 record. And since .449 > .398,
you are now convinced that Utah's wins were against better quality
opponents than the Indy-WACers'.As for UNLV, Utah is .875
all-time against them. You guys are .833. And since .875 > .833, you guys
have no room to talk.
NavalVet:But which BCS teams did Utah play?I don't
remember them playing Oklahoma in Texas.I don't remember them playing
USC much before joining the PAC 12.I'd be very interested in
seeing some research about the quality of the BCS opponents BYU played compared
to the quality of BCS opponents that Utah played. Maybe the research would back
up your assertions that Utah was better against quality opponents. But I'm
not going to buy it until you actually prove that the teams they played were
really quality teams. Just because you belong to a certain conference
doesn't make you better on the field.One more note: I
don't remember BYU ever getting shut out at home by the likes
Y Grad / Y Dad:"And yet, they had the worse record against the
same 'WAC-ish' schedule, won fewer conference championships,
etc...Utah is an enigma."Not so my frantic and emotional little
brother. Utah never played a "WAC-ish" schedule since
leaving...well...leaving the WAC after the '98 season! In fact, since
leaving the WAC, Utah had only scheduled 11 games against them, (posting a .769
record). Conversely, YOU guys had scheduled 45.5% MORE WAC games (going a
somewhat less successful .688).In the BCS-era (1998-present), Utah
went .577 vs. BCS teams, and .682 vs. the WAC. Conversely, our Indy-WACey
little brother went .465 vs. BCS teams, and .690 vs. the WAC. So essentially,
Utah has had considerably more success vs. BCS teams, while little brother has a
very slight edge when facing off vs. a WAC team. So it would appear that Utah
is better off playing an elite BCS schedule, while our little brother was better
off back in the WAC. And while I'm not sure what you all are going to do
now that the WAC is dead, you all can be rest assured that the Pac-12 will
What's in the stars for Bronco mendenmidmajor?More 2-star
recruits of course.
When looking at the overall requirements to be the head ball coach in Provo,
Bronco has done a pretty good job. In my opinion he is a good football coach
despite some of his quirks. Interesting that on this article I don't see
many posts from a lot of the fans that wanted him gone last year. 8 wins this
year and most Y fans will be happy, 6 wins or less and it will be a different
story.Besides, if the Y got another coach, we couldn't use the
Roscoe reference any more and that would be a sad day. If you have a sense of
humor, you have to admit that error by ESPN was pretty funny.
I think Chris B's comments are funny
June national champions!!!
Don't stop, Chrissy, Naval, and you other guys! I love your illogical smak
talk and your snarky envy of everything BYU. Of course, I graduated from a Real
PAC 10 team, Washington, whom Utah has never beaten. But we Huskies dropped our
scheduled series with BYU because ... well ... we kept getting beaten. But with
former BYU QB Sarkesian as our head coach, we're expecting more this year.
And we look forward to the Utah game as a much-needed respite. Too bad I have
such a hard time getting UW games on TV when they play bottom feeders. I have
yet to see one of those victories.So guys, keep the laughs coming.
You're funny, you really are.
fenderWashington, UTOnly fans of the team up north would look
at the total accomplishments of Bronco and the BYU football program, and pass it
off as mediocre. Especially while proclaiming their superiority
BECAUSE of their, usually very close, victories over the alleged mediocre team.
For the record, I DO think K-Whit is an excellent coach, and I think
it would be a shame if the excellent things he has accomplished get flushed down
the toilet because of a slow start in the PAC.
gdog3finallyWest Jordan, Utah"That said, before Utah
joined the PAC, and when they had the more comparable schedule with BYU in the
MWC, Utah had a much better record against BCS opponents. In fact from
2000-2010, Utah beat more BCS teams than all other non BSC schools in the
country. That includes BYU, TCU, Boise State and all others in this
category."And yet, they had the worse record against the same
"WAC-ish" schedule, won fewer conference championships, etc. Utah is an enigma.
Good luck to Bronco, I'm glad he and the Y got the contract out of the way.
His final year of this contract will be the next year of the Holy War, which
should be epic!Sorry to all who have to endure Chris B - he gives us
real Utah fans, and fans everywhere, a black eye.Fetch hither the
Y GradFor once you got it right. Unlike the school to the south,
Utah doesn't reward mediocrity, and it won't be enough that K Whit
beats BYU year after year.
How many "Quest 4 Perfection" t-shirts is Bronco stroing in his garage?
Let's be real. Neither of these programs (BYU and Utah) will ever be
outstanding programs. They may have a few outstanding Seasons but I
wouldn't count on either of them winning a National Championship. While
Bronco says he's looking to win a national championship I think he's
just saying what the cougar fans want to hear.
Chris B,2 years, 3 years---whatever. I don't think you'll
have 10 total conference victories in 3 years. So we'll see.Why no longer do we hear about the Rose Bowl???If you want to LOL,
look at the banners on the parking lot side of Rice-Eccles Stadium. Talk about
insecurity and the need to prove something---you could read them from
Grantsville, they're so large. Oh, by the way, where's the one saying
you are PAC 12 Champs? The stadium isn't large enough to mount it, I
guess. LOL!! (We know we'll never see one that you are National Champs.)
@ Chris B,2 years or 3, lack of wins still remains, LOL!!I use to support the instate schools overall but your comments have me, and
I'm sure others, now enjoying watching the Utes on their downward
spiral.Enjoy your Pac membership! (and the now accepted fact that
your football team will be home for the Holidays!)
Good for him and BYU. To win and be successful given the restrictions at BYU is
remarkable. Only two coaches in the programs history have done it. When you
get one, you keep him. The fact that BYU under Bronco could be 4-5 against Utah
if they win this year is incredible when you consider the teams Utah had and
conference Utah is in. Given Utah's advantages in PAC 12 money, conference
affiliation, and non restrictive environment, they should have a huge advantage.
The fact that after this year it could be basically a .500 series between the
two coaches should really worry Utah. BYU seems to be strengthening with
independence and Utah seems to be fading in the PAC 12.
@toomsart,We've been in the Prestigious Pac12 2 years. Not 3.
which is two years more in a real conference than you'll ever
Once again Chris B. has provided the real fantasy comments for us. His coach,
who he claims can "win BCS games" doesn't have 10 victories is the
"conference of champions" in 3 years. (Maybe they forgot to include
Utah when they assumed that conference moniker.) I remember the coach losing to
a BCS Team in SLC that prevented them from following a greased scheduled into
the PAC 12 Initial Championship Game (Colorado) and losing to the basement
dweller in the MWC (UNLV). So much for winning those important games!!I agree with dog3 that Utah plays the BCS caliber games week-in-and-week-out,
but they LOSE them. And you have to admit, Washington State and Colorado, along
with Utah, are all "BCS teams." That has to be included when figuring
the "average" BCS competition.How's bowling at Orchard
Lanes in December working out for that same beloved BCS coach?
Where does lip service count as "espousing" ideals?Broncos record
on recruiting value based athletes? Really? BYU is about average nationally.
He's really trying for three and four star recruits regardless o f their
moral values. Of course the athletes need to agree to the honor code, but they
just follow the coaches example of paying lip service ( I mean
"espousing" the code)... And academics? He is below average
nationally and has had aprs that if continued for 3 years would lead to
sanctions by the ncaa.Sorry, but there is a disconnect from reality.
Cougar fans should not follow this coach's lead and claim all is rosy in
happy valley, when facts and rationale claim otherwise. Bronco is an
average coach, maybe a better than average D Coordinator. Good luck to him as he
plays the BYU faithfull to a tune of millions of dollars a year.
"Notre Dame, Texas, Boise State and Wisconsin are in the top 25 preseason
polls." Of course, we have to accomodate utah and drag down our strength of
What's in the stars for Bronco? I will tell you. More praise and criticism
from fans. Regardless, Bronco will continue to be who he is. Like it or not
people. I may find Bronco somewhat smug, but I think he is the right
coach for the BYU program. His job is tough and he does it well. As
for Utah and winning BCS games. Look, BYU's winning percentage against BCS
teams is no better than the Utes. But the difference I see is that Utah plays
the games week in and week out. With a heavy laden MWC/WAC schedule, BYU has
more recovery time against smaller athletes than Utah does relative to the war
of attrition that is football. Colorado and WSU are bad but they hit harder than
Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico, New Mexico State ect...That said,
before Utah joined the PAC, and when they had the more comparable schedule with
BYU in the MWC, Utah had a much better record against BCS opponents. In fact
from 2000-2010, Utah beat more BCS teams than all other non BSC schools in the
country. That includes BYU, TCU, Boise State and all others in this category.
@Cougsndawgs:I would have to agree with what you said. Overall, Utah
has faster, more explosive athletes, but byu generally executes better with more
mature players. In a nutshell, those two things have been responsible for both
the successes and failures of each program. Utah is painfully realizing they
can't beat teams PAC teams on athletic talent alone like they did in the
MWC, and byu has a ceiling because of their religious standards, which will make
it very difficult when the playoff system begins. But overall, it's
interesting to see when Utah and byu go head to head because of their drastic
difference in styles. I do wish Whit could have a little bit more of a
motivating effect on his players like bronco seems to be able to do.
@ 54-10 My prediction in 2 years, Bronco will still be coaching and
be successful (not championship successful or BCS bowl successful but 8-10 wins
successful) and K. Whit. (who I like) will be looking for work after 2 more
losing seasons with no bowls. As I predicted when Utah joined the Pac 10.2, they
would quickly become irrelevant in college football AGAIN! For Ute fans sake,
you better hope your team beats BYU because that is the only thing you guys will
be able to hang your hat on. Oh, good luck this year and I hope you can beat
your rival Colorado in the Pac 10.2 south "basement bowl" or "teams
brought in for guaranteed wins bowl!" Is it a coincidence that the Pac 10.2
has fulfilled its bowl games since Utah and Colorado have joined? Methinks not!
I agree with the previous sentiment: coach Whit had better start winning MORE
BCS games than he has been, or he'll be a "has been." PAC
whatever schools can't afford to give a coach too much slack. Back to the article, some people mock Bronco for stating that the goal is a
national championship. The same people mock Bronco for stating that football is
NOT his highest priority. The same people prove their ignorance and
peevishness by mocking a good man to begin with. If you want a
barometer with which to measure the success of Bronco, look to Kyle Van Noy.
Howie:"Bronco has a few other matters of businss to take care of
before he starts talking about a national championship".For once
you and I agree on something! Lol
Bronco has 46% winning percentage against BCS teams...Bronco has an
abysmal record against ranked teams... whether ranked at the time of the game or
at year-end...Bronco has never been to a BCS game...Bronco has a losing record to Utah...Bronco has never faced
anything other than a MWC/WAC loaded schedule...On top of all that
Bronco's last three recruiting classes have been among his weakest...National Championship?Bronco has a few other matters of
businss to take care of before he starts talking about a national championship.
RBN:I second that motion.I know Coach Mendenhall is awkward with the
media, doesn't always a make sense, and can be pretty dry. But if you watch
his players and how they talk about him and respect him, you realize how good a
coach he is. That's his job, teaching and coaching young men and winning
ball games, not catering and pandering to the media to garner their approval.
I'm one fan that is grateful we got him instead of Whittingham. I think
Whittingham is a good coach but I don't think he could motivate his players
like Bronco does. I mean how else do you lose to every winning team in the PAC12
with all the 4 star athletes ute trolls want to boast?
AS a Utah fan I laugh at the stupidity of Chris B's comments. I wonder what
you in enjoy more....the success our program or taunting BYU fans. I would
venture to say that you enjoy heckling fans more than seeing our success. For
the sake of BYU fans AND Utah fans please stop!
My prediction - More t shirts with lame slogans that are never achieved, more
losses than wins against quality opponents, more bad relationships with his own
fans and boosters and more quotes that make absolutely no sense.In
other words, more entertainment.
CB,Please explain that you have a coach that can beat BCS teams. Do you
mean the same coach that is in the cellar of a BCS conference? I thought so.
Beating Alabama many years ago only counts in horseshoes. I love my coach that
is ranked 12th nationally and has won 4 bowls in a row. Nice try though!!LOL
For the past several years there was way too much drama on the offesive side of
the ball. Between the reset with the coaching staff and and clarity at
quarterback the opportunity is there for us to do great things.
Glad Mendenhall will be around three more years! Like anyone he is not perfect,
but better than almost all other choices.It seems like the beating
of "ranked" teams is only concerned with if they were ranked at the time
of the game. It makes more sense to me to look at final rankings which better
reflect the strength of an opponent. Based on final rankings BYU
played FIVE ranked teams last year (Notre Dame, Utah State, Boise State, Oregon
State and San Jose State), but lost to four of them . Not a great showing, but
not bad in what most would consider a 'down' year (at least on
In a variety of ways, this season is going to set the tone for the next few
years. I like Coach Mendenhall. I like what he has done with the defense. I am
excited to see what Anae does with the offense. BYU has a strong schedule. This
has potential to be a great year. Go Cougars!
My guess:Continued .200 record against top 25 teams.And
now that I think about it.That's bronco's record against
Prestigious Pac 12 Utah the past 5 years tooLOLI love
having a coach that knows how to win BCS games!