What's next? Where the SCOTUS decisions leave the gay marriage debate

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  • lds4gaymarriage Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    very concerned
    Although he made some anti-religion quotes, John Adams also believed the following.
    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly
    inadequate to the government of any other."

    Every time someone posts that quote, they seem to advocate passing laws that force
    people to live according to someone's subjective religious tenets. The rest of your
    posts confirms this.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2013 12:14 p.m.


    *Your god's tried and tested version of marriage is alive and well. Don't worry so much about it.*

    I respectfully disagree. I think OUR (your and my) God’s *version* of marriage is not feeling so well right now. And the Doctor’s prognosis doesn’t seem good if things keep going the same. I don’t take much comfort in assurances from those who tell me not to worry. Who tell me this will not affect traditional marriages or religious marriages.

    I appreciate your sentiment, but feel that defending marriage between a man and a woman is vital at this time while there is still time for it to be saved. Thank you though for your sincere opinion.

    And Happy Valley Heretic - I am just as opposed to adultery and divorce, though divorce can be thrust on an innocent party. I'm not perfect. I don't keep all the commandments each and every day. But I call it as I see it, as is my right.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 27, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    I feel sorry for people who believe this is the end of times because it must be so depressing to wake up every day and the world continues to spin.

    Very concerned, you seem only concerned with one sin, why is that? Adultery and divorce appear in the scriptures far more than scriptures attributed to being gay, why wouldn't the world have ended because of the frequency of those sins?

    Keep cherry picking and choosing which of Gods commandments are earth ending deal breakers and those that are just part of ...well "Traditional Marriage" that way when you use religion to justify your hate, you'll always be right.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 11:35 a.m.


    It IS equality. If you go to CA, you will be able to marry some of your same sex too, if you want to. This actually gives Americans more freedom to pursue their happiness. The constitution has a protection from the majority forcing their beliefs upon the majority. The constitution won here.

    Moral AND religious people. One can be moral and not religious. Yes, many gays are moral people if you get to know them and do not believe the stereotypes.

    The god-given, centuries old institution you worship also had polygamy, concubines , arranged marriages, and brides being purchased from their fathers who owned them. The romantic, choose your own partner "traditional marriage" is merely 200-300 years old.

    One cannot vote away privileges and rights of the minority (see answer to #2). We live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy. That is why we have a supreme court to decide when we have gone too far with our laws.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Very Concerned:


    How does adding to the word "marriage" disintegrate it? I do not see that at all.

    Once the word "voter" meant white, male, and land owning. We added non-white and females and no one has to be a land owner. Did those equality fixes disintegrate the word that the founders defined or add to it. I chose the latter. I chose equality.


    Religion is also a behavior but has been given as a personal right. Marriage is a privilege and as such "no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges...of the citizens of the United States...nor deny to any person ... The equal protection of the laws.". Amendment 14 to the Constitution

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    June 27, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Very Concerned,

    Your god's tried and tested version of marriage is alive and well. Don't worry so much about it. You won't find anyone who doesn't support that version.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints has taken a defensible stand on this issue without caving to the pressure of the GLBT activists. They have not compromised their doctrine.
    I too have long held that same-sex attraction can be in a person's nature, but if we counted up all the behaviors that were in a person's nature, we'd probably find that most of the offences against God's commandments were on the list. After all, *natural man is an enemy to God."

    On the positive side, my understanding of the Church's teaching is that we should reach out to our GLBT fellow human beings. That they are children of God as well. Please see mormonsandgays.org, which states,

    *Where the Church stands:
    The experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is. Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them. With love and understanding, the Church reaches out to all God’s children, including our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.*

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    5. It doesn't matter so much how you respond to this post. It will not change immutable and universal laws; that there are consequences to breaking God's laws. I do not believe the SCOTUS, or anyone else, except God Himself, has the authority to redefine a centuries’ old, tried and tested, God-given institution.

    6. So much for the popular vote (i.e. California). Is it dying too?

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    1. Wherever the momentum is, we will continue to vigorously oppose the disintegration of traditional marriage.

    2. The fact that this cause has made such progress is a sign of the times. It is a sad commentary on the state of the nation. Homosexuality is a behavior, not a civil or human right.

    3. This is a case of the tyranny of the MINORITY. They have so cleverly and effectively couched their arguments for this behavior in terms of equal rights and constitutionality. I think the Founding Fathers would be aghast at what the GLBT community has been able to pull off under that umbrella.

    4. Although he made some anti-religion quotes, John Adams also believed the following. *Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.*

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    June 26, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    Red Corvette, religious people live longer: we will be making laws far into the future. Economies with few babies equal poor, diminishing, downward cycle; economies with many babies have hope and light and youth and strength. A positive message will win in the future, and that is what has worked for thousands of years. Who is your leader?

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    June 26, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Hoping those unhappy with today's decision can attend the Church of their choice this week There, may they find peace and understanding

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    June 26, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    A frog in a pot of water. Just slowly but continually raise the temperature. The frog begins to relax and doesn't even know its cooked until it is too late.

    The SCOTUS makes a decision by not making a decision on Prop 8. Add a couple more years of propaganda from the LBGT and the constant media blasts against those who disagree with same sex marriage and eventually the majority of Americans will forget what they were opposed to.

    The SCOTUS took the chicken way out by not deciding the case. Eventually the court will have to rule on a state's gay marriage restriction law. Looks like they are waiting until more of the opposition is cooked.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 26, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    what's next? HA!! What do you think? Expect big brother government to FORCE gay marriage on every state and attack any Christian group who dares to oppose them. American is not even a shadow of what it once was....