Utah Jazz: Pre-draft workouts a 'piece to the puzzle' of figuring out who the Jazz will draft Thursday

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  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    June 25, 2013 9:58 p.m.


  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 25, 2013 7:08 p.m.


    yes...i do know that Kanter won't be able to pass out now...because he is still young...so my question to you is...do you think Kanter and/or Favors wont be able to develop this skill this offseason? Also...i actually liked Big Al before...but the thing is...he would only be a great 2nd or 3rd option for a team with a Legit star...in this team...where in there are zero stars...the ball needs to move...and i know that passing out of the post would be one of the skills needed to be instilled to these young big men...and i agree with you..the Jazz strength was their 4 bigs...and that Big Al decides to past more often now...but being the primary scorer...he would tend to force a shot more often than not...so as a workaround...i would be interested in Thomas Robinson right now...we could get him for cheap...and another Big Man in the Draft preferably Dieng...now this won't cover what we will lose if Al is gone...but...i am ready to accept the repercussions on gambling with the young guys...

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 25, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    re: kakashi

    Good thoughts but if you think that Kanter will give the Jazz better passing out of the post, consider that with 36 min averaged stats, Jefferson averages almost 2 1/2 times more assists than Kanter does. Kanter is not going to improve ball movement for the Jazz. Two things that Dennis Lindsay has mentioned that he's been impressed with regarding Big Al is that his passing out of the post has improved greatly over the past 2 yrs and that Al can get a good shot off (and make a high percentage) late in the shot clock.

    Last year the Jazz' main strength was that they had 4 quality big men. Other teams simply couldn't match that. If the Jazz were to let both Al and Millsap walk to give Favors and Kanter more minutes, then that strength would become average or below average and the Jazz would be starting over trying to build that strength. Resigning Al and splitting the minutes with Favors and Kanter would give each player approx. 32 min/gm each which is about right for each of them.

    Just my opinion.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 24, 2013 9:49 p.m.


    Big Al may have an elite level scoring...and i rank him high in terms of low post moves....but....i would have to take a look at the team as a whole...when i am watching a game...if Big Al or Paul Millsap gets it in the post...how much time does they need to put up a shot?...it takes a while...and most of their shots are forced...They seldomly kick the ball out....you may say because the wing cant shoot...but Hayward showed that he shot the ball over 40%...which is decent...but...having players that disrupt ball movement to get to a better scoring option is bad for any team...and that's Big Al and Paul Millsap is...include Mo Williams...as he often times put up ill-advised shots...Since we dont have any Superstars in the team...the only way for us to win is through ball movement and teamwork...if you have those three...ball movement stops...offensive flow is gone...Millsap is good...but the past year...he lacked the hunger that he had when he was coming off the bench..looking forward to the offseason

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 24, 2013 7:41 p.m.


    If the Jazz can re-sign Al Jefferson for something that's reasonable, but not out-of-this-world pricey, then I would be fine with renewing his contract. However, what the Jazz can't afford to do is tie up so money with Al that it endangers their chances of re-signing Favors, Kanter or Hayward; each of whom is likely to require a hefty increase in pay at the end of their contracts.

    It's up to Big Al to decide if he wants to stay with the Jazz. If he keeps his price reasonable then the Jazz are likely to try and re-sign him. If he asks for something close to 20 million per year then he is gone. He is; however, going to get some big offers that are going to be really tough to turn down. In particular, I believe Boston is going to make a big money offer to have him come back to Bean Town.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    I would like to see the Jazz resign Al because of his offensive skills. He's also amazing in the closing minutes of close games. He does need better defensive players on the court with him to help hide his defensive liabilities but I think Favors and Kanter can do that with increased minutes. I also think Al could help teach Favors and Kanter offensive skills (along with Karl) and possibly turn them into all-star caliber players. Al's contract might be a problem but maybe the Jazz can structure it to pay him bigger money early and have it decrease yearly. Dunno.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 24, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Should the Jazz re-sign Al Jefferson?

    In reality, they probably can't afford him.

    There are a number of teams who are going to throw big money at Al Jefferson. And as much as he might like playing for the Jazz, he is not going to give up millions of dollars in order to stay with them. Who would?

    I also don't like the idea of the Jazz tying up so much money with Al; especially when they have Favors, Kanter, and Hayward's expiring contracts coming up in the near future.

    Admittedly, Al Jefferson is an elite scorer, but his defensive skills are bad news. I think the Jazz would be better off finding a "defensive beast" who only scores 10 points a game, than have a 30 point scorer who lets the other guy score 28.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    re: rvalens2

    I'm not saying that I don't like Burks. He has some aspects of his game that are good but he's just not shown the promise that Favors, Kanter, or Hayward have. All 3 of them improved from their rookie year to the next and are now above average NBA players and all 3 are virtually the same age as Burks. I'm just not counting on him being a core member of the Jazz. If he improves, great.

    I guess we'll just disagree on Burks and wait to see what happens. I actually think he could possibly be traded this week or next (if the deal involves a FA player) in a draft day deal.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 24, 2013 1:28 p.m.


    Sorry, but I have to disagree with you about Burks. He's barely been with the team for two years and that includes the shortened 2011 lockout season; where he missed his rookie camp, and a huge chunk of the season.

    How long did the Jazz give CJ Miles? (7)

    By the way, using stats as a barometer for young players in the NBA isn't as useful as it is for older, veteran players. Why? Because they are rarely given the playing time that the vets get; especially the first stringers. Go back and look at the stats of many of today's NBA first string players and you'll find that for most of them, their rookie and sophomore years weren't exactly anything to crow about.

    I like what I see from Burks and look forward to seeing what he can do with expanded opportunities. Given enough playing time, I believe we are going to see him blossom into a solid NBA player.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 24, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    "At this point (if you're objective), you can't say that he's going to be any better than an average to below average NBA player." -AltaHawkFan

    Actually, since it's only my opinion, I can say exactly what I believe to be true. While I don't think he will become a SuperStar, I do believe he will eventually become a solid NBA player. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, but my gut instincts tell me that Alec Burks will become an important part of the Jazz; one that many of us have been calling part of the Core4.

    I did not feel that way about CJ Miles or Byron Russell. I was calling for the Jazz to dump CJ "clank" Miles 3 years before he actually left the team. As for Byron, whom I did like, he ended up becoming exactly the kind of player I predicted. (average)

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    I disagree with most in that I hope the Jazz do resign Jefferson. Admittedly, Al's defense is not stellar but IMO, a lot of his defensive problems stem from the fact last year's guards couldn't defend their guys either which put Al guarding a lightning fast PG which isn't a good matchup at all.

    Also, you can't win in the NBA without scoring points, and Al has elite level offensive skills for a big man. I'd like to see Al back with the Jazz to share time with Favors and Kanter. Corbin can use their respective strengths (Favors' and Kanter's defensive skills with Al's offensive skills) to create matchup problems for other teams.

  • logicalsportsanalyst West Jordan, UT
    June 24, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Jazz fans have been asking for change in the FO for years now. Well, they have it. There is actual work being done in researching these players. It is very smart that they are doing interviews with the players as well-with Utah being a small-market team, they need to find solid players that are not looking for LA-MIAMI type media and basketball. The Jazz need to have players committed to the team (unfortunately, with their budget, these are the players they can hang on to). I hope that the FO has enough guts to NOT make an offer to Jefferson & Co. Agreeing with Fortydam, Jerry Sloan as a consultant should be able to at least help in the rebuilding phase and establish tough D and solid offense-NOT JUST SHOOTING.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    re: rvalens2

    Look, Burks is a good guy and all but really, is he any better than Byron Russell or CJ Miles was ? At this point (if you're objective), you can't say that he's going to be any better than an average to below average NBA player. He did not improve over his rookie year. Look at his stats. He's a below average NBA player at this point. The other 3 are all above average with much higher potential ceilings. He is certainly not a quality NBA point guard. He played the position for us only because the Jazz were desperate because of Mo's injury. He doesn't shoot well enough from outside to be a quality SG either. Sorry but he shouldn't be included in the discussion of the Jazz' core players.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 24, 2013 3:21 a.m.

    "Why does everyone include Burks in the Jazz' your core players?" - AltaHawkFan

    Uh ... how many Jazz games did you watch last year?

    I saw almost all of them, and I include Burks in the Core4 because he exhibits the qualities the Jazz need on the team. He is quick, athletic, plays reasonable defense, and can run the point as needed. He also made a marked improvement in his game, over the course of the season. True, he experienced growing pains as he went along, but that's to be expected from a young player. Burks also has a nice release to his shot and isn't afraid to take the ball to the hoop (no matter who is guarding it).

    That's why I include Burks in the Core4 (Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks).

    In my opinion, a year from now the question won't be whether or not Burks deserves to be part of the Core4, but whether or not the Jazz will be able to keep him on their roster.

    Count me in as one Jazz fan who is sold on Burks.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    Why does everyone include Burks in the Jazz' young core players ? He has not proven anything yet. Favore, Kanter, and Hayward all show promise but I'm not sold on Burks yet.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    June 23, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    I have a feeling these guys are going to do something different, something that's been needed for a long time. It sounds like they are finally looking for those type of players that make a difference. The Jazz have lacked good defense for many years, they have also lacked the skills of setting hard screens, and putting guys on the floor that approach the rim. Adam Keefe wasn't a huge name in Jazz history, but his role helped Malone flourish. The big dog, also helped nail down the middle. Stockton wasn't just the best passer in the NBA, he was known by other players as setting the hardest meanest screens for his team mates. Besides having Jefferson whom destroyed this team with his one trick offense, and inability to play defense, the Jazz lacked any kind of toughness and point guard skill set. Hopefully we can get a Spurs type of team with a bunch of tough minded players, not a bunch of players that hate contact.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 23, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Here's hopin' that the Jazz have a successful draft. They have a core of good young players (the core four). If they handle the building process, it will be smooth sailing down the road. Hopefully, they will do it right. Thursday is now close at hand. It will be fun and then it's July 1 and free agency. There is a lot of interest being sparked by the current management group.