Poverty committee begins trek for solutions

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  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    What gets me is the crowd that blames the bank for lending them the money and charging interest.
    They don't understand how the world works, but gov't is making it easy for them. Under the HARP program you can qualify for a loan with 60% of your income going to housing costs. THAT is a disaster waiting to happen.
    And refi goes on like it was 2006 again. Yikes!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 18, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    Many people buy a house, furniture, or car, not thinking they may lose their income in five years. Much of it is poor planning. I paid off my ordinary house, and car in four years. I than sold my house for a good profit, and bought a nicer one with cash. Those five years of mortgage payments was the only time I've had debt.

    It's not fair being robbed of my hard eared money.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 18, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    Lets see, we already know that intergeneraltional poverty is due in part to the benefits that the government hands out, without little to no effort on the part of the recipiant.

    One study showed that a single mother making $36000, would have to earn at least $70,000 before she could provide a better lifstyle for her family than she can on welfare.

    Another nice study has its results summarized in "Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds: $36,000 a Year in Hawaii" in the weekly standard.

    Why work, when welfare will pay you more?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    @Dave D
    As I recall the Savior was not too impressed with the people who followed him around the lake for a second free meal.
    Providing in the Lord's way has always taught work and self-reliance, not subsidies. In practice, we end up with some who have no motivation to provide for themselves. I'm old enough to remember when LDS did not participate in government programs. Once you lose moral accountability and church-leader supervision, it is easy for a program to get away from you. Throw in a weak economy and you have people gravitating to the entitlements. (See the FDR years for an example.)
    There is a need to teach the importance of work to the rising generation; hence the title of the commission. But I don't have much hope that this group can think outside the bureaucratic box.

  • Dave D Spring Creek, NV
    June 18, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    @Say No to BO,
    Nobody is saying the committee is Church approved, though with one of the four-fold missions of the Church being to "care for the poor and needy" one would think that aiming to get rid of intergenerational poverty would be a good pursuit. As long as another human being is poor or suffering, it is my job to try and alleviate those problems, Perhaps Bishop Burton said it best in April, 2011:
    "No matter how positively we are perceived in the eyes of the world—should we fail in this great core commandment to “succor the weak, lift up the hands which hang down, and strengthen the feeble knees,” or turn our hearts from those who suffer and mourn, we are under condemnation and cannot please the Lord and the jubilant hope of our hearts will ever be distant."

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    @Dave D
    I'm so sorry. I take it all back. If the former PB is involved it must be Church-approved.
    Please forgive me for my negative attitude. I should wear a smiley face at all times.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Poverty can also be those who purchased real estate during the good years, then lost a job. Then lost the home. Maybe they were able to find new employment and keep the home, only to be stuck with too high of payments to cover even the basics. The income of this household does not qualify them for all the welfare freebies in the community. Then, they may have a baby that isn't covered by the new jobs insurance. Even with insurance, the copay and expenses are high. They also have school loans to pay back. Where do these people go for help? They aren't in the so called poverty group because of income qualifications. I use my charity money to help my neighbors and family in situations like this. The low income poverty people have more usable income than my neighbors and family. The low income poverty have very little incentive to rise above welfare. They have already figured out what a sweet deal they have.

  • Dave D Spring Creek, NV
    June 18, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Wow, it's tough to see this kind of grinding teeth at the poor from people who likely share my faith. We should let Bishop Burton know you guys have all the answers so he need not bother being involved with such a pointless committee.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 18, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    I suppose the first question is, What is poverty? This is the wrong group to discuss the question since many of them exist to help the poor. Without poverty they have no job.
    The book Crimes Against Logic discusses the issue. Poverty is measured by INCOME, or lack of it. But lets look beyond that to the VALUE of their benefits received. For example, subsidized housing. Their apartment, for which they paid $120, looks very much like the apartment across the hall where his neighbor is paying $900 a month.
    The "poor" family gets Medicaid. The family next door can't afford to go to the doctor for a backache. Add health insurance premiums and copay and deductibles and the "poor" family has a fair amount of VALUE of benefits.
    School lunch, fee waivers, free coats/shoes/gloves/backpacks/school supplies/physicals...add it all up and there are very few families in Utah who live in real poverty.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Let me save the committee some walking and valuable time. Here is the solution:

    1. Don't buy stuff you cannot afford, and probably don't actually need.
    2. Stay in school and work hard and graduate.
    3. Don't have children until you are married.
    4. Don't have children until you can afford them.
    5. Obey the laws so parents stay out of jail.
    6. Don't do drugs, or hang around with those who do.
    7. Go to church (your choice, there are many to choose from).
    8. Get a job- any job, and maybe more than one job.
    9. Take pride in supporting your self and your family, and feel shame if you do not do so.
    10. Reject welfare in any form.
    11. Stay married- for better or worse.
    12. Obey the laws- that included immigration laws so people don't have to "live in shadows."
    13. Don't borrow money.
    14. Learn to cook.
    15. Learn to read, write and speak "proper" English.

    Okay, do that and 95% of poverty will be eliminated.

    Hard work and personal responsibility are the cure, but expanding the government welfare plantation guarantees perpetual poverty to those enslaved on it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 17, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    Michelle Obama has just completed an all expense vacation to Iceland using a private jet, and our money.

    Soon, her, and Barack will spent more than twice on an African vacation, than the IRS did for their lavish conference.

    Our president is looking for solutions to poverty? I don't think so.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    June 17, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    "In the final phase of a large-scale, randomized, controlled study of nearly 5,000 children from low-income families, researchers found that the positive effects on literacy and language development demonstrated by children who entered Head Start at age 4 had dissipated by the end of 3rd grade, and that they were, on average, academically indistinguishable from their peers who had not been in Head Start." June 17, 2013 Education Week dot org

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 17, 2013 8:07 p.m.


    In 1964, liberals declared war on poverty, and trillions were spent on education, and poverty solutions.

    If the money spent, were to be divided equally to every American family, they would all be millionaires.

    So why has poverty increased, and the same questions keep popping up?

    Our national debt equals $580,000 for every second in a year, and the crazy thing about this, is some people want our political leaders doing surveillance on us, and taxing us more.