BYU poll: Majority favor impeachment, resignation for Attorney General John Swallow

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  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    June 19, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Swallow doesn't want anyone to rush to judgment, wants us to let the investigations run their course and allow him due process.

    I'm all for due process as part of any criminal prosecution but what Swallow seems to be ignoring is that this is more than a case of whether he deserves to go to jail.

    This is also about whether he should be the AG. He seems to be saying if I'm not a criminal there's no reason I should leave office.

    But that can't be the standard. If he's lost the confidence of the citizens of Utah, whom he was elected to serve and/or lost the moral authority to lead his office, he can't be effective in his position and should resign.

    I don't see him addressing those questions, nor do I see him providing any credible evidence he can continue to operate effectively as the AG. The fact that he's meeting with his personal lawyers to plan his defense and meeting with legislators to try to talk them out of impeachment demonstrates he's spending his time on personal matters, not serving the people of Utah.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    June 19, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Public servant is an oxymoron. I would never call a career politician a public servant. At best they are a public nuisance. Photo ops here! Pretending to care about issues there! Sound bites for the press! Politicians remind me of the people in the Capital in "The Hunger Games"; their objective is to put their best foot forward while sticking it to the people. George Washington walked away from power after 8 years. Swallow, Obama, Matheson, Harry Reid, Hatch, McCain, Lindsay Graham, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, et al need to go get a real job without the ability to lobby. Once you have been in public office you should be excluded from lobbying of any type. It should be an either or proposition.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    The Governor needs the AG for a lot of decisions but has to use some lesser individuals without the protection of an AG. We can't trust his decision and judgment even though he says he goes to the office each day. He goes so he can hear what people say about him in his own office. He is basically absent from everyday decisions due to his mire. He dug his own hole and AG Shurtleff accompanied Swallow on some of these outings and business dealings. They knew what these men were when they picked him up. Swallow agreed to an investigation but at that point he was already pegged for several investigations, so that was a moot point.

    Hillary resigned as Secretary of State and helped her allude some of the Benghazi hearings. Swallow's cases as the Chief Deputy may have some questions on handling of those cases. There had to be a strong disagreement with his employees at the AG office with as many that were supporting Sean Reyes. Swallow was an insider and Shurtleff got mired into the mess due to his associations and relationship. He thought he could get away with Swallow's money raising.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    Foo, they are two different situations. If the accusations against President Obama were the same as those against AG Swallow, and the various proofs, as outlined by commentators such as Cincinatus above, were the same you might have a point. As it is they are two very different situations and any attempt to conflate them is purely disingenuous.

    Get back to us when you have something more.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    June 18, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Sounds a lot like the obama administration... there is enough there for him to resign too.

    I wonder if those of you who want swallow to resign also want obama to resign.

    Or does it matter that one has a D by his name and the other an R.

    Can't have it both ways.

    If you are democrat and want swallow to resign, you should also want obama to resign.

    If you are a republican and want obama to resign, you should also want swollow to resign.

    If you are a socalist then of course obama is right and will always be right. swollow on the other hand, more lies, if that is what it takes.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    June 18, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Owl, here are some facts:

    1. Swallow was associating with convicted felons/those under investigation for criminal charges. He does not deny that.

    2. Swallow was recorded asking, "do they know about the houseboat" and "is their a paper trail back to me on this." He acknowledges using the houseboat but did not disclose it until he was caught. So he was using, for free, the personal property of Johnson, a man under investigation on fraud charges.

    3. Swallow took three trips to Newport Beach (two with AG Shurtleff). Again, he acknowledges he was there- hanging out with a convicted felon. On top of that, we have receipts, initialed by Swallow, charging goods and services to Jensen's account.

    4. Swallow owned an interest in P-Solutions, a company in Nevada that was involved in strange transfer of payments with Johnson, but took his name off the company, transferring the ownership to his wife. He did not disclose this in campaign filings but acknowledged it after he was caught and simply said he would "amend" the filings.

    Need I go on? Those facts alone show that Swallow, at best, is ethically challenged.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 18, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    @DNews Subscriber2
    If Swallow wanted an investigation why is he so worried about being impeached? The goal of impeachment is to clear up mistrust of a public official, by either clearing their name, or removing them from office. So why is he so against impeachment? Additionally, why did we elect this bozo, and why did the traditional newspapers not pick up the story before the election. The only publication to say anything about this was the City Weekly. I'm disgusted that the only media outlet to cover the story pre election is one that is 50% escort ads, 40% satire and pop culture and only 10% news, yet it still beat out the so called "news"papers in terms of reporting skills.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    If impeachment is free, sure go ahead. But something tells me the process is very very expensive, in which case... Meh. I don't care. Let him stay in office.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    "Essentially we got a current events quiz for the low information voters,"

    Subscriber, it looks like you are the low information one here.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 18, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Don't blame me. As an area delegate, I voted for Sean Reyes in the Republican primary election last year. He seemed much more forthcoming and now everyone knows why. After Swallow gets impeached, Reyes should still be considered the best person for the job. All indications are that he is above reproach. Swallow had undoubtedly proven himself not to be.

    What Swallow still fails to realize is that even if he gets off on a technicality after this investigation concludes, because of what has already been evidenced in his admitted dealings with convicts, there will forever be a cloud of suspicion hanging over his head by the majority of people in Utah. As such, Swallow will never be able to effectively serve as AG, no matter what the result of the investigation.

    He could salvage a bit of face by resigning before being impeached. But it seems his ego will now allow him do that. But either way, his public political career is already over. Right or wrong, public perceptions of elected officials and those aspiring to be elected do matter... and matter a lot. And this poll shows Swallow's public perception is in the toilet.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    DN Subscriber 2- Let's look at this:

    a. Swallow called for the investigation. There is some question on the timing- the US attorney acknowledged about a week after his "call" that there was an ONGOING investigation. Had the investigation already been started? If it had, this was just a PR move by Swallow to make himself look good.

    b. Accusers are convicted felons. Yes, but now two new people have stepped forward who aren't felons and corroborated the story. Besides, why was Swallow hanging out with these people- he doesn't deny that he was.

    c. The conduct didn't occur since he was elected. So? He suddenly cleaned up his act, so everything he may have done prior to being the AG shouldn't count? Some of this may have happened while he was the chief deputy to the AG. Either way, why would we want a person with questionable character as the AG?

    d. "Innocent until proven guilty." In a court of law, yes. You cannot have constitutional rights taken away unless you are proven guilty. Impeachment is different and can stem from the loss of public trust in the officeholder due to unethical or questionable behavior.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Swallow really wanted a piece of the pie from Jensen, which puts him in an advantageous position considering the extortion angle which the former AG and lameduck AG currently chaining himself to the office obviously did.
    The company you keep, and all the other metaphors for dishonesty are applicably to this ethically devoid AG.

    Do they know about the boat? Is there a paper trail? Do they know about the resort weekend?
    Do we really want our AG to every say these things like this, when he thinks no one is listening?

    Funny how the same folks saying wait and see are the same ones calling for Obamas Head.

  • lex loci Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Cries of "lynch mob" and "innocent until proven guilty" are misplaced.

    Mr. Swallow was recorded attempting to extort money from someone under government investigation, promising government favors for money. We do not have to stand for this kind of representation. There are several parties alleging the same story with similar facts. This behavior is unacceptable.

    Mr. Swallow, please do the right thing and resign.

  • Brigham's Brother Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal actions. No one is saying Swallow should go to go to jail without a trial. We are saying we don't want to be represented by a man who does the things Swallow unquestionably did, as shown by recording of his own voice.

    Let the criminal side play out how it will, the people don't want politicians who play lawyer ball with the rules for their own personal advantage. No one is saying the recording were taken during his time as AG.

    All you Swallow stooges advocating for him can't overcome the peoples' desire for honest AND ETHICAL leaders. Swallow has abused the public trust and he needs to go - either by impeachment or by resignation. The people have spoken.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 18, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Yup, smells like a lynch mob to me, too.

    Way to go, "intelligent" citizens!

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Swallow buries his head in the sand when it comes to the evidence. Does he deny he is on the recorded conversation? The conversations alone are unethical at best and criminal at worst. The conversation alone are enough to raise the issue of fit for office. The fact that there are several parties alleging the same thing only increases the probability that Swallow is a bad actor.

    Unethical - for sure.
    Criminal - probably but to be determined.

    He needs to go. And the longer republicans delay the more it hurts them. Clearly the public doesn't trust swallow. The party should show they don't condone this kind of behavior and cut him loose.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    After weeks of innuendo and wild allegations, some folks do a poll.

    Essentially we have nothing more than documentation of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The news media trumpets UNPROVEN and still under investigation allegations from dubious sources. The inevitable chorus of "resign or be impeached" begins. The poll asks "Hey, been following the news?" and people say "Yes, Swallow must indeed be the devil incarnate"

    Did the poll ask if respondents were aware that:
    a. Swallow himself was the first one to ask for an investigation?
    b. One of more of the accusers are convicted felons?
    c. None of the allegations concern conduct since he was elected to the Attorney General job?
    d. There is a concept called "innocent until proven guilty?"

    Essentially we got a current events quiz for the low information voters, and proof that you if a lie is repeated often enough, a lot of people will believe it.

    If proven to be guilty then he deserves punishment, but this media circus lynch mob prior to any investigation results being released is despicable.

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    Accused, tried and convicted by the media using testimony from a convicted felon.

    We no longer need the judicial system. Bring on Nancy Grace and the public opinion polls.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Could we please have the facts? Allegations by felons and others who are not under oath are not the substance that citizens of Utah need to make our judgment. Party affiliations are of little interest to me. Having someone of low character in office is just as bad as railroading someone out of office because there might be blood in the water.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Swallow had a by far better candidate running against him that wasn't tied to the corruption of the current administration but the people of Utah decided to elect Swallow solely based on the "R" next to his name.
    Too bad our fellow citizens don't listen to the LDS Church leaders that constantly remind their members to investigate the candidates and select the best that are offered.
    Anyone that votes a straight ticket is completely out of touch with reality. It is impossible for one political party to field all the "best" candidates.
    AND, we DO need term limits in all offices. Absolute power breeds absolute corruption.
    Am I right in this statement Mr Swallow?

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    What is Lockhart's reason for delay? Have some courage already and do the right thing. Wow, what does it take in this state for politicians to see past the party line?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    So, Allen, you want someone to take twelve years out of the time they could be working to advance their career in the private sector and spend it in public service instead. Okay, so say people would choose to do that, would your twelve years include both state and federal positions? In other words, if someone served eight years in state government then got elected to a federal position would they only be able to serve four years there? What about if the president had already served eight years in another position, would he or she then be eligible for only one presidential term? And clearly the constitution does not support your scheme, so it would have to be amended. But obviously the founders did not concern themselves with the idea of term limits. And when you get right down to it, why should I not be able to vote for whomever I want? Who are you to try to tell me I can't vote for someone?

    And also, what in the world does this have to do with Swallow? It's his first (and last I'm sure) term.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    If he were a dem in a deep blue state, the legislature would be considering giving him an honorary citation rather than considering impeachment.

    We see how dems protect their own through denial and obfuscation, even when they lie to the courts or sell guns to mexican drug gangs.

    June 18, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    Would be nice to have term limits of 12 years for ALL politicians except the President of the United States who is already limited to 8 years.

    After a maximum of 12 years, (8 years for the President) return to their former job with NO lobbying and NO pension except Social Security when the politicians has paid into Social Security the same minimum time that everyone else must contribute to qualify for Social Security.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    The tea party has no ethics.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    John believes we're dumber than he is. He has the King's new clothes mentality and so does his predecessor. It is a shame that he has taken us down this road for almost 6 months when both he and Mark Shurtleff deceived the people in the campaign when Integrity was jeopardized along with ethics that the top elected officials knew about. Shurtleff didn't push the Governor on his $13M and $85K endeavors as they are both guarding the hen house.

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    yes please! we need to go back to the time when public service was considered an honor! you served, and then went back to your daily job. Career politicians is what has ruined our government. giving someone that kind of pension for a minimum of 4 years service is ludicrous. In house cleaning needs to be done through out all of D.C. otherwise this country as we know it will fall. sad times.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Seems like the Eagle Forum's support of Swallow further demonstrates how out of touch the Forum with the Utah public and threatens to become an organization that nobody needs to listen to.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Heard a radio ad this morning asking us to call our representatives to tell them impeachment would be a waste of time and taxpayer money. Bad strategic advice as it will actually speed up the process.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    June 17, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    Yes John, please resign already. Mr. Obama, Holder, Brennan, Biden, et al please do the same. Time to clean house. No more career politicians. 12 years maximum in public service with no pensions and no lobbying when you are done.