BYU football: Cougars extend offer to Syracuse HS standout Kavika Fonua

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  • CVMD North Logan, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:27 a.m.

    An imperfect but meaningful way to compare recruiting classes is to compare the interest an athlete generates by multiple schools. In this regard, the U far outclasses BYU. Go to Rivals or Sport recruiting services and go to the Commitment section. Click on BYU or Utah and go to their 2013 class. Click on the name of the athlete and then click on 'List' below the name. If no 'List' is present it likely means no additional scholarship offers were made to the athlete. A few of BYU's athletes committed very early. But I found it difficult to excuse the general lack of interest in its recruits by other schools because of this alone. USU and BYU are very similar in their athletes Rival ratings and the number of athletes generating additional outside interest. The U has far more athletes with multiple scholarship offers, many from "BCS" conference schools, who chose the U. Sadly, for my USU Aggies, neither they or BYU can say the same. The U stealing from or using BYU as a recruiter is nonsense.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    June 15, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    I've watching & laughing for years!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 14, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Greater than 50% of the comments on this BYU article about a recruit are from Ute Trolls. Sadly about 20% of the comments about a similar article for a Ute recruit are from BYU trolls.

    So, you tell me. Which fan base has a greater inferiority complex?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    LOL! Yes, the inner workings of a byu fan are truly mind-boggling. I like your suggestion of popcorn and a Lazyboy because it is indeed a remarkable show to watch!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 14, 2013 1:10 p.m.


    What's it like to get beat up by your "little brother" year, after year, after year?

    It's gotta hurt

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 14, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Cougar Passion

    I'm going to ask you one more time, where do you people come up with this stuff?"

    It's utterly mind-boggling, isn't it? And the truly surreal thing about it all, is these people literally believe what they say.

    Illicit drug-users, unfortunately, do their thing and what's most often stated by them is the fact that they view it as an "escape" from reality. This is how it is for those of us who actually live in reality when we venture over to "experience" life in The Bubble, otherwise known as utah county. It's equally an "escape" from reality and an entry into the most priceless form of fantasy known to mankind. Unequivocally entertaining, don't you think? LOL

    They'll never, ever acknowledge byu's utter futility in recruiting, where only extremely rare exceptions occur, so I recommend you just simply grab some popcorn, kick-back in your Lazyboy, and enjoy the show! LOL

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 14, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Cougar FranticEmotion:

    " does seem that Utah usually offers after BYU does...I think there is a fair amount of credence to the view that Utah coaches trust their BYU counterparts' judgment on players, and therefore figure the players BYU coaches offer must be worthy of an offer from them as well."

    Don't you think this has more to do with mendenmidmajor preferring to hold firesales on scholarships during the summer months, whereas Whittingham (and his staff) prefer to do a bit more scouting before offering? You guys target the 2-star crowd, so in order to get a 3- or 4- star kid, you HAVE to go early in the process. WE can be more selective, and take our time in choosing the right athletes for Utah.

    Just because you offered "first" doesn't mean we hadn't heard of the kid beforehand. Don't forget...Utah has its summer training camps too. Fonua hadn't gone to Utah's camp yet. And he doesn't have an offer yet. Coincidence?

    Not likely.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Cougar Passion
    First: Thank you very much for being so nice and not excoriating me in front of everyone on this board. It really means a bunch, I'm so grateful.

    Based on recruiting information on Rivals:

    Utah has six commits so far; four of whom are from Utah and should be well known to byu. Of the six, not one was offered by byu (byu showed interest in Amone Finau but did not offer). I suppose you would have this board believe that the "lazy" Utah coaches received a scouting report from Mendenhall and his permission to extend these offers??

    Similarly, byu has seven commits so far; two of whom are from Utah and should be well known to the Utes. Of the seven, only one (Fred Warner) was offered by Utah (Utah showed interest in Isaiiah Nacua but did not offer). Given the "consistency of evidence" you cite, it seems reasonable to suggest that an offer from Utah is immanent for the remaining six of byu's seven recruits??

    I'm going to ask you one more time, where do you people come up with this stuff?

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    I will try to be as nice to you as I was regarding the Utah coaches. What you will often hear--and the way I did *not* put it--if you read enough of the comments about recruiting, is that the Utah coaches are "lazy" with regard to their recruiting efforts due to how often we see them offering a player right after BYU does. So, I could excoriate you for trying to create something that isn't there; no, the entire Pac-12 doesn't do the same thing Utah does. And "how we come up with this stuff" is due to the consistency of evidence. It is no secret whatsoever that BYU really has to do their homework on kids, even to an extent with the LDS ones, before they offer them. And, given that Utah doesn't get the kids USC or Oregon does, it makes sense that if they see BYU vet a player enough to offer him, then it's an easy decision for Utah to offer him as well--and that's exactly what they do, with a frequency that is far too predictable to be coincidence.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    Cougar Passion
    So, what you are saying is that Utah coaches let byu coaches to the scouting for them. Why stop with Utah? Why don't you just say the entire Pac-12 let's byu find the player and then swoop in lure them away?? How in the world do you people come up with this stuff?

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    June 13, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute...
    Yes you read that correctly....congratulations !

    But you just proved my point! That is why u came on to your "Big Brothers" article! And why u don't troll on any Oregon articles!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 13, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    @ Eddie

    "their Big Brother"? Oregon hasn't offered the kid a scholarship yet.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    @BYUSU: That's the vibe I got too. If he really wanted to go to BYU, he would have committed already. I would frankly think about rescinding the offer if I were the Cougar coaches, knowing the difficulty of being both a student and player for BYU without a very serious commitment to being there. And, not to upset our Utah friends, but it does seem that Utah usually offers after BYU does--both in- and out-of-state, and with non-LDS kids that BYU offers as well. I'm sure that's not *always* the case, but I think there is a fair amount of credence to the view that Utah coaches trust their BYU counterparts' judgment on players (to be nice about it), and therefore figure the players BYU coaches offer must be worthy of an offer from them as well.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    June 13, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    "Trust the coaches..." Hmmm. That's a problem. Respect the coaches -- yes. Trust? Be careful of any coach that you understand their dynamics, what they have to work with besides you, what all the rules are. Remember, just because you have a National Letter of Intent doesn't mean you'll get a scholarship and it doesn't mean you'll play. Maybe the coach who offered you means what he says, he's not the last word. He's likely not the head coach so things can change. And... head coaches get fired as do assistants and when they leave so does their word. Trust? Be careful.

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    June 13, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    The way it sounds as soon as Utah offers he will accept. Hope I'm wrong he would look better in blue.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 13, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    A "weakend" at Utah's supposedly "elite" camp, eh?

    If he wants to play in a bowl game, he'll pick BYU.

    If he wants to spend bowl week watching from the comfort of his couch, he'll pick Utah.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    He is at Utahs elite camp this weakend, so if they offer him it has nothing to do with a y offer.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    June 13, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    It just stands to reason that utah would offer him! They would just be following in the steps of their Big Brother. And we all know how much they love to follow their Big Brother. They just can't seem to do it though.

    To do so completly they will have to get a Rugby team, Volleyball team and then compete in all the other sports as well.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:02 a.m.

    co ute,
    yeah it must be a slow news day. Can't wait for the season to get going.

    June 12, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    Wow an entire article because BYU made him an offer? Let's see if Utah does the same, then what other schools show interest and finally which school he picks.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 12, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Sounds like a pretty good prospect. His Grandpa Norm Kane played volleyball for BYU. Maybe he can exercise some influence on his grandson.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 12, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Scout rates him 3-stars.

    Utah, Utah State and Washington are also showing interest.

  • Gone fishin Murray, UT
    June 12, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    Sounds like a great kid and great athlete. He will look good in blue.