Utah, BYU and Utah State all receive passing grades in NCAA's latest APR report

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  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    June 17, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    I'm sure the usu head coach did make more. My point is it comes down to preferences. The money may have been similar enough. And I'm comparing it with Brent Guy, Andersens salary is part of the school putting more money into the program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2013 7:43 a.m.


    "I think some coaches would prefer to be the D-Coordinator for a team that won the sugar bowl than the HC for a perennial 1-4 win team. The money in the positions are similar too."

    Not outside the SEC it isn't. Whittingham raised Utah's DC salary to $500K last year. Pac-12 coaches can afford to do that. Erickson makes $250K. Andersen left after the 2008 season...back when we were in the MWC, so it would not be reasonable to expect Andersen was making more THEN than Erickson is now. Andersen's first contract with the Aggies payed him between $354K to $400K/yr. So no, the money isn't that similar.

    USU HC salary > Utah DC salary

    Furthermore, even if USU HC salary = Utah DC salary, a "good coach" wouldn't settle for less, but would rather run his OWN team. Andersen is a great coach. Leaving SLC for Logan was the right choice for him. Your gain was our loss. Sitake is a good DC, but not as good as Andersen was.

    Go Aggies!

    GO UTES!!!

  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    June 16, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Yes, that was a factor, however Gary would not have come without the increased commitment of the school. He was given plenty of tools from the school for success.He did well, I wish him well, however I predict USU continues to do well.

    Plus your comparison isn't apples to apples. USU's program in the Guy years was far inferior to the U's program during the same period. I think some coaches would prefer to be the D-Coordinator for a team that won the sugar bowl than the HC for a perennial 1-4 win team. The money in the positions are similar too.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 14, 2013 8:38 p.m.


    Andersen came to USU because his options were to be either a Head Coach (in Logan) or a Defensive Coordintor (in SLC).

    Head Coach > Defensive Coordinator.

  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    June 14, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    @ Vegas,

    Not so fast. USU is doing well because USU invested money into the program. Gary came because of this. Good players came and are coming because of this.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 14, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Fred44: "The Utah football team scored a 964 in 2011-12, giving it a 962.5 rolling four-year average."

    Utah doesn't need to learn anything from USU, we already practice it and are nowhere near close to being in danger. What USU knows about recruiting student athletes it learned from Gary Anderson, who learned it at Utah from the master, Kyle W.

    Go Utes!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 14, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    poyman - what I am saying is that it is a club sport - just like it is at byU. They do NOT appear on the APR report. I have no idea what your comments are about, other than to reflect your love for all things Ute!

    Go Utes!!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 13, 2013 4:47 p.m.


    So then you are saying that if a program (or sport) is shut down by the University for misconduct they can still score high on these measurements??? Sounds like a real accurate Reporting program for determining the Socio-Academic Strength of a University and its Sports Programs...

    But then, y'all want to use recruiting points to determine the success or failure of your FB program instead of the actual W-L record so this is probably a big deal for you guys... Congrats.

    Unfortunately for you, BYU FB will also out point you in this measurement once the 18 year missionary eligible program kicks in... Just like they have in Track, Softball, Baseball, Mens and Womens Basketball, and beginning this year Football once again...

    Good thing you guys do so well in Gymnastics or things would really be tough for fans on the hill.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 13, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    The Aggie football team is improving in the classroom and on the field. Maybe both the Utes and Cougars could go to Logan and how to recruit athletes that are also students!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 12, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    APR has been ruining our public schools.

    Why would the NCAA want such a time bomb?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 12, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad

    Wrong, you guys make a big deal out of any and every little accomplishment you can come up with. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    June 12, 2013 2:26 p.m.


    Yet, you come to the boards to be preachy...

    To BYU fans.

    Seems like you have become what you profess to hate.

    I love how BYU is wrong to set a preachy list of priorities, yet you come to preach the gospel of utah football as you see it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 12, 2013 2:20 p.m.


    Whoever it turns out to be, they'll be more competitive than byu. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 12, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    And if the numbers DO improve for BYU as the mission age situation begins to settle, it will be a no-news thing, right?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 12, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Poyman - Just as at byU, Rugby is a club sport, so no - you would not see it in the APR. If the team was to be included in the APR report, my guess would be that it too would pass with flying colors, just like all the other Utah teams. Thanks for showing your interest in all things Utah, though. We appreciate it!!

    As far as using missionaries as a crutch, or an excuse for low APR, Utah deals with the same issue, though not to the same degree. I am sure this problem will be lessened by the reduction of the missionary age to 18. Most missionaries will go on their mission now before they enroll at school, which now will have zero negative effect on APR, if I'm not mistaken. If byU still hovers around 930 in future years, then they will have a problem, and it cannot be blamed on missions.

    Go Utes!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 12, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    @cb - Just curious, who is your new rival?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 12, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Congratulations to ALL programs.

    Go Utes!!

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    June 12, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Not surprised at all that Utah's football APR is so high. Coach Whitt legitimately cares about each one of his players and knows each of them by name. I've talked to the man 3 times in my entire life and he didn't even hesitate to remember my name, my major in school, and where I served my mission. He doesn't have to say that football isn't his #1 priority because it's obvious by the way he lives his life that he knows there are more important things than football.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    June 12, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    The Knignt Commission gives BYU a 100% for Men's and women's basketball and a 100% for USU basketball. BYU gets a high 93.7 for Mem's football, Utah has inproved to around 40% for football UU played Pitt in the Fiesta Bowls pundants renamed it the "Shame Bowl" as both teams were graduating less than 20% of their football players the lowest of any bowl matchups. The NCAA figures cover fivef years for each athlete meaning that missionaries are shown as non-grads if they take 6 yrs to complete their eligibility. That should no longer be a problem with missions before the clock starts.

    June 12, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    As someone who is familiar with classes at both BYU and the UofU there can be no doubt that General Studies at BYU were far more difficult.

    There were some classes at Utah that were difficult, but looking at all the classes I took at both schools I had to work 10x's harder at BYU just to achieve passing grades let alone a good grade.

    I didn't take any upper level classes at the UofU and I have heard they are more comparable to BYU in difficult, but just looking at the general classes BYU is much more intense and rigorous to the student.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    June 12, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Way to go utah football - if you can't win at least you can knock out those killer exams in your General Studies majors.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    This might explain why Austin Collie is so desperate to stay in football.

    Go Utes.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    What we learned:

    Coaches don't need to have a preachy list of "priorities"


    Kids can be good students(See university of Utah), be good in the community(See university of Utah), AND win BCS games(see University of Utah)

    Some coaches try to use excuses for not having won significant bowl games by claiming they focus on other areas.

    Clearly that does not need to be the case.

    Utah is the better academic team.
    Better football team.

    Enough said.

    No need for preachy list of "priorities"


  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Wow, BYU really needs to improve its APR. For an academic institution of its quality, there is no reason they shouldn't be doing a whole lot better than those scores - especially the football team. BYU's rolling average is scary close to the probation line.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    And consistent with all other things in the FORMER rivalry,

    Utah won.




    Pac 12 Proud University of Utah utes

    June 12, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Way to go Utah football score of 966 is second in the PAC 12 to Stanford. Props to you all. Keep up the great work.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 11, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    I didn't get to see the scores for the Utes Rugby and Diving Team... Do you have those?

  • Wwwookie Payson, UT
    June 11, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    To "boost it's score to a...931"
    Holy smoking ghost! Mendenhall really has put the schools values into the football program. Hire him for another 3 and it might get boosted to 929.