Looks like the People's Republick of Kalifornia is trying to run the entire
To "mark" wrong. Even if you banned them at a federal level, repair
kits will still be legal because if you owned one before the ban was put in
place you still can have one. Plus, it won't keep them out of the hands of
criminals.Thanks to technology, you can print a high capacity
magazine. See "Gunsmiths 3D-Print High Capacity Ammo Clips To Thwart
Proposed Gun Laws" in Forbes. So, you can buy time on high quality 3D
printers and print out parts. Yes the cost goes from $20 to $100 for the same
part, but if I am a criminal intent on causing as much harm as I can, what is
Actually, I was talking about banning them on a national. And banning them all,
not grandfathering existing magazine like California has done. And absolutely
they could all be banned including existing ones.
They are suing for "unfair competition." Apparently San Francisco
realizes that it will be more difficult for its gang bangers to loot, steal and
kill if the intended victims can shoot back and "compete" with the
criminals. Oh, the joys of leftist ideology.
Well, RedShirt, I was talking about on a federal level. And absolutely they
could ban them, even the ones already in exsistance.
Good!!!! Glad action is finally being taken to stop the sale of parts that can
be used to make illegal clips... now we need background checks at these gun
It's all about money, San Fran sues and all they get is Money to cover
"their cost" and some additional money. The only ones that make out are
To "mark" had you read the article, you would see that high capacity
magazines are banned, however, since they were once legal they can't ban
the ones that currently exist. Just like car emissions. The laws can require
higher standards, but that does not mean that older cars must be retrofit to
meet the new standards.The state of california cannot ban the
manufacture and sale of repair parts for high capacity magazines any more than
they can ban the manufacture and sale of car parts for older cars.
It's too bad Mr Herrera is too smug to feel the same of embarrassment when
the Court instantaneously throws out his preposterous suit for lack of venue and
lack of standing.There is no business activity conducted by ANY of
the defendants within the City and County of San Francisco, making the City
Attorney's civil suit facially invalid.
"So the next time that the gun accessory manufacturers go to the gun show,
they will now sell 2 (or more) kits that a person can potentially assemble into
a high capacity clip. Duh...."Duh? Wow, haven't heard that
word since the 7th grade.But you are right about the
"repair" kits. So ALL high capacity magazines should be banned. All
"repair" kits banned. Anyone caught with any high capacity magazines
receives five years per magazine in the pen.There you go, no more
problem with any loophole.
Seems like to me that this only shows how ridiculous and poorly written most of
the gun control laws are. In this situation it apparently would be okay to
buy/sell rebuild kits if they came one piece at a time or missing a piece or
something. In substance all you would have to do to be legal is buy pieces
separately. If this is what every day citizens are doing in the light of day to
get high capacity magazines, how much more creative will the actual criminals be
to get them in the shadows? Besides does this law make Californians safer? If
you could prove to me that a high capacity magazine caused (not were involved
with,they're different) more deaths then I might go a long with this law,
but you can't. The question really is then how many gun deaths/crimes in
California required the assailant to shoot more than 7 rounds without reloading?
And was the magazine he used purchased legally before this ban? When we ask the
right questions we expose how silly this law really is.
So the next time that the gun accessory manufacturers go to the gun show, they
will now sell 2 (or more) kits that a person can potentially assemble into a
high capacity clip. Duh....it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out
that the parts will be made, and can be sold as individual repair parts to build
a clip. You can do the same thing with car engines, and all sorts of other
things.Once againg, the liberals are showing their ignorance of the
loopholes that they put into their laws, then scream when anybody finds them
first.What you anti-gun advocates should look at are the maps of gun
violence and voting patterns. For some reason, in areas that vote Democrat
there tends to be more gun violence. Maybe we need to just restrict Democrats
from owning guns, then the violence will go down.
Trust your government to protect you. It's always easier to prosecute law
abiding citizens for breaking contrived laws then it is to go after the
dangerous criminals, of which there is no shortage in SF.
Good.All I can say, the most clearly I can say it. Good for SF CA this
time, not any other time though.
Well "Captain" Green, what real life incident is that video portraying?
I would assume the film maker might have mentioned if it was anything other then
fiction. In your fictional video the homeowner fires seven shots
before running out of ammo. Proposed federal law would limit magazines to ten
rounds. So this homeowner chose to limit himself to seven rounds. Why is the
filmmaker, and by extension you, trying to blame the government? I
can tell you a real life story. The shooter of Gabby Giffords was stopped from
killing more people when he fumbled a magazine change. Very likely people are
alive today because that murderer did not have high capacity magazines. The Aurora Colorado mass shooting where the murderer killed 12 and
injured 58, he used a hundred round magazine. Yes, it jammed. After 40 rounds
were fired from it. 40 rounds before having to reload or switch weapons. That should be your public service announcment. And it's real. Me? I have a .45 (locked up securely) (no four year old coming over to
my house finding it and shooting his dad) and two loaded 9 round magazines. And
I feel safe as can be.
So all you patriots out there would be OK with a CO. WA. NV. CA. Etc…
company selling "Incense kits" that contained Marijuana which is OK in
those states to folks in Utah? (The original drafts of the Constitution were on
"Hemp Paper" so I'll take that as an approval of the plant and its
many gifts, from our founding fathers.)You guys think each state
should have whatever laws they can pass, and this is what you'll get. The Law is the Law as the neocons point out daily! (well when it comes to
immigration or religiously based laws)
For Bass and all the other petrified "patriots," your willingness to
flaunt laws you dislike proves the reason why many of us want more emphasis on
our freedom to have the right to bear arms "well-regulated." As for liberals protecting freedom, it was Senator Russ Feingold (D) of our
great state that was the only person to vote against the Patriot Act. He is a
true patriot. Now as we see the far reach of the NSA, and other government
violations of our constitutional rights, it is clearly evident that those on the
right who spoke of protecting our freedom were really out to take it. Sadly,
many of you were too busy buying guns and bashing liberals to notice. It takes more than arming yourself and yelling at your t.v. to make you brave.
I commend San Francisco's city attorney for pursuing these grounds to end
sales of 'repair kits' that get around limiting the capacity of gun
magazines. With Congress afraid to act to rein in gun violence, local and
state's attorneys need to step into the breach. Hopefully, California
Attorney General Kamala Harris will make the case statewide. It is
wonderful this is occurring in California. Because of the sheer size of its
consumer market, the state often sets the standards for manufactured goods,
ranging from children's pajamas to automobiles, nationwide. It is time to
add guns and ammunition to the list.
Anyone who thinks limiting magazine capacity is a good idea, needs to watch this
video. You can find it by searching for: MB Studio Productions High Capacity
Magazine PSA on YouTube.This clearly demonstrates the absurdity of idiotic
laws that have been passed in some parts of the country. It boggles the mind
that people really believe by forcing these limitations on their citizens that
it will make them safer. There will actually be more good people die BECAUSE of
the magazine capacity bans. Thank Heaven the federal government did pass such a
stupid restriction! Captain Jim Green
This is precisely why we need federal gun laws. re:patriotYeah, I know many on here love to talk trash about CA. CA is doing
fine--better, now that we have a Democratic Gov. and no more gridlock in the
legislature. The housing market is recovering, more people back to work, state
revenues increasing, and Moody's recently increased CA's bond rating.
Perhaps you should withhold judgement to something you know
about--Cedar Hills perhaps? And, Apple recently announced plans for
a new building complex with an anticipated increase in their workforce in CA by
Let's not export Utah's pro-gun culture to other states whose
residents have used their own Ninth and Tenth Amendments rights to the U.S.
Constitution to regulate guns as permitted by the U.S. Supreme Court holding and
ruling on the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
In Hayward Ca. an elementary school principle is organizing a toy gun buy back.
Toy Guns! Toys! Because you know, so many have been killed by toy guns. This
is standard procedure for California. Toss out common sense and throw away
logic and make sure you vote the correct way.
Those who use the legal system to prey upon others are a lot like certain types
of cancer. After it destroys the organ where it started, it can metastasize and
start to invade other organs. No good targets left in California, the then try
some out-of-state victims.
“There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience.
And then there is California.” - Edward Abbey
California don't you have anything better to do?
Ernest T. Bass,Freedom, personal responsibility and accountability can be
terrifying to some people. Fear of those things is one of the primary reason
why socialism and statism in general have gained so much popularity.
It is a bankrupt (both morally and fiscally) city in an equally bankrupt state,
but San Francisco does have lots of lawyers on their payroll. So they can file
frivolous lawsuits against whomever they please. Their lawyers still get paid,
but the defendants now have to hire high priced lawyers to defend themselves.Ignored is the fact that they (Crossroads) were not selling anything.
The dealers being sued were selling "magazine rebuild kits" and they
have a California Department of Justice letter several years ago advising them
that such sales were legal. These are simply kits of parts for repair of
magazines which are already legally owned ("grandfathered") by some
people in that state. Of course it is illegal to use such parts for any other
purpose, but that is a violation by the purchaser, not the seller.I
stay out of California at every opportunity, and advise the people living there
to flee to freedom while they still can, before ALL their property is
confiscated and given away.
re: FatherOfFourWhat would you think in your scenario if Boise City
was prosecuting the Colorado company for selling product X in Salt Lake City?
In this case, it appears S.F. (see okeesmokee's post) is filing a lawsuit
for an action that took place outside of its jurisdiction. Does it matter how
far outside of its jurisdiction?
Meadow Lark Mark: guns don't kill people kill people. A gun can not kill
on its own. The Constitution of the United States says we can own guns. The
gangs and criminals would still get guns if normal people didn't have them.
Those California liberals just hate freedom.
The law is still the law. Put it this way: Product X is illegal in California,
but legal in Utah. A Utah company is selling Product X in California where it is
illegal. That company is breaking the law, and everyone in Utah is defending
them. In this case, Product X is high capacity magazines.Product X
is illegal in Utah, but legal in Colorado. A Colorado company is selling Product
X in Utah where it is illegal. That company is breaking the law. In this case,
Product X is marijuana. Would you still defend the company selling it?By the way, they are both inanimate objects that can't hurt you.
I was curious to understand what, "is in San Francisco's backyard"
meant. It means that the Cow Palace is in Daly City, which isn't in San
Francisco. Although the limitation is a State Law, I don't see why the
City of San Francisco gets to file a law suit on behalf of the entire state.
Won't this just get thrown out?
Patriot you have it right on! I say we need to ban all guns, for certainly it
is those awful guns that kill. There is never any human involved who shoots the
guns. Let's ban all guns so only the bad guys have them who get them
through illegal means. That sounds like the best course of action to me.
Well done, Cali. You've solidified your claim to the crazy state filled
with reactionaries who make up laws to deter other people yet refuse to pass
laws actually stopping real crime. I'm glad I was born there -- it was
beautiful and a wonderful state at one time. Now, I'm glad I moved to Utah.
A sane state.
This is the top story on the D-News? Imagine that. Great, go ahead and feed
the crazies, "Gubmint comin to take er gunz" Looks like they broke the
law folks. Good for you San Fran. Crooked gun manufacturers, always pushing
the envelop. Better hurry and go buy another 10 guns to fight the gubmint.
Don't forget your 30 round clip with armor piercing bullets. I for one
couldn't imagine living with so much hate and fear. How can life be
enjoyed when living with so much hate?
re:HankYes - turn yourself in. I'm certain Nancy Pelosi and
Jerry Brown will give you a pass. Honestly the only people in California who
know anything about guns are the gang members and they get their guns illegally.
Most don't know the difference between and AR 15 and M1A1 tank.
I drove thru California last week with 50 rounds of 22 lr crammed in a 10 round
.223 magazine. Is that against the law? Should I turn myself in?
just don't hold any shows in California. California is dying from super
high taxes and all the insane liberal regulations. Let them sink in the sand or
ocean - which ever suits them. Honestly - I would NEVER do business in
California going forward with Jerry Brown, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the
Communist - leftest - crazies out there. The state is already hopelessly
bankrupt and continues to have companies leaving the state - not moving to the
state. The LA area infrastructure is in shambles .....all the product of decades
of progressive thinking. A once beautiful state is turning into another Detroit
Re: "According to his office, the law . . . is meant to ban the use of the
accessory 'favored … among mass murderers.'"So,
why doesn't this political hack, posing as a public servant and prosecutor,
go after duct-tape manufacturers and sellers, or windowless-van manufacturers
and sellers, or pressure-cooker manufacturers and sellers?This is
nothing more than an unethical perversion of the justice system, cynically using
it for political purposes by persecuting innocent bystanders, in order to pander
to mindless, liberal low-information voters.Mr. Herrera should be
thank goodness I was shot with a 10 round magazine and not a 12 round!
It is sad that San Francisco apparently has an irrational fear of inanimate
objects such as magazines or magazine parts.