Matthew Sanders: Will heroism die with 'the greatest generation?'

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  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    June 3, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Re: m.g. scott

    So as long as both sides are equally vitriolic towards each other, everything is ok?

    I would much rather see people not use the excuse "you did it first, so now I'm just following you." It is absolutely possible, and rather effortless, to disagree without being disagreeable. Sadly, too many willfully choose to do otherwise.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    June 2, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    Happy Valley, why is it that you who claim to be so inclusive assume that when people disagree with Obama and Democrats on a huge number of issues, we are hating them as people. We look at Obama just the same as all of you Obama supporters and Democrats looked at Bush. You stongly disagreed with Bush policies. Thats all we do with Obama policies. If Obama were a Republican, and were legislating like one, he would be a hero to the Repbulicans. It's not about race, it's about policy. I wish Herman Cain were President because he had much better ideas, to my mind, than Obama. Now, if you want to justify yourself by noting some hateful stuff that some have said about Obama, I can assure you there was just as much was said about Bush. So don't go there.

  • statman Lehi, UT
    June 1, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    One thing's for sure, the debt the country racked up on their watch won't die with them. Best case scenario their grandchildren will be paying it off...

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    June 1, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    When you have to begin your point by quoting a movie, you know the article (unless it's a review of the movie) is going to be poor. I agree with Howard; heroism didn't begin with the Greatest Generation, and it certainly hasn't ended with them.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    There are plenty of heroes that going the military seeking to defend the nation after 9/11.

    Where do you even get the idea that heroism might die? To assume all soldiers are the same is just plain foolish and uninformed anyway.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    In world war II everyone had skin in the game. The rich, the poor. actors went to war. Now we use the poor in war; to make the rich richer. The last war in this country was world war II. Since then our army has been used as politcal pawns.
    In World War II we allowed our army to be an army, now we expect them to be the world police.
    We put our young men in a city, with people who want to kill them, and put bombs everywhere. We tell the young men, they cannot shoot anyone, and if they do, we will put them in prison.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    May 31, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    Stupid headline!

    Heroism didn't start or end with The Greatest Generation. I don't know, teachers shielding students from killer storms and just plain killers sounds like heroes today. Firefighters and police officers going up burning buildings sounds heroic to me. A soldier who went back and recovered several injured warriors in a firefight (and winning the Congressional Medal of Honor) sounds heroic to me. How about students at Provo HS raising collecting over 40,000 cans of food, that sounds heroic to me. And the list could go on and on...Heroism is everywhere and will continue with this generation and beyond!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 31, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    Hate must be pretty high in your "Value" system because you can't make a comment without a derogatory remark about the President. Truly a sad place to be.

    When you spend so much time hating someone who doesn't even know you exist, he wins.
    He's not sitting around worrying about why you hate him.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 31, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Look at the great people of that era. Most of them suffered through a great depression, knowing hunger first hand. Many of them served in the military or in jobs that supported the military. Few had the comforts that we have grown to expect.

    Something happens when people have to choose to work or to go hungry. They reach deep inside themselves and they find a way to solve their own problems. And, something happens when people are nannied all of their lives. They moan and groan when the steak isn't as tender as they would like it to be.

    Lincoln worked his way from being a bare-footed peasant to being the President. He earned his way through life. His humanity is known world-wide. Our current president is a member of the "gimme" generation. His grandparents sacrificed to give him every advantage. It's doubtful that he will be remembered for anything more than being part of the most scandelous administration in American history.

    Values count, but values are earned by hard work and by sacrifice. No "rich man" can transfer his values into the "gimme" generation.

  • John1066 Yucaipa San bernardino, CA
    May 31, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Yes they were hero's, but look around there are hero's all around us. Their names are written on the Wall in D.C., they come home every day from overseas. They work in firehouses, police stations and hospitals across this land. They donate, help others with service and rides. So before you disparage the rest of us look around we see hero's everyday, not just in combat.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    American people all were heroes of WWII. It was the combined effort of many, not just the military, that preserved our freedom and way of life.

    The important thing now is that we recognize and work to mitigate that cause that put us in such danger.

    In every case, war, conflict, revolt, and disappointment of people the root cause is economic greed and oppression.

    Hitler and his philosophy were the products of the oppression of the German people by the winners of WWI. Japan was seeking to gain control of the far east resources.

    The campaign to aggrandize and glorify the acts of war are simply propaganda to buy cheap labor for the next round of competition.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 31, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    I agree with Bob, bigotry and exclusion are dying with that generation, this is a great thing.

    There is no use for those 2 "values" anymore, if there ever was.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    May 31, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    People tend to love what they serve. Enormous service and sacrifice were given during WW II, and great love of country resulted along with a largely patriotic & united country. Those who disparage the Greatest Generation of the 40's generally have neither served nor sacrificed for the USA. No wonder they do not subscribe to the greatness of America past and instead join those who demand perfection from a country in which the did not live (40's & 50's) and do not serve today while aligning with those who wat to "fundamentally transform" the country.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    May 31, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Self proclaimed "Greatest Generation" IMVHO. That generation was also responsible for a great deal of the bigotry and exclusionism that is still trying to be rectified today.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 31, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    We'll certainly have heroic figures in our future but it's not fair to the future to compare it to the past. The past and future landscapes are VERY different and can't compare much.

  • Freeman Stevenson In the land down under, UT
    May 31, 2013 9:29 a.m.

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 31, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    They were the greatest generation. But things change, and if we'd get our heads out of the sand about sex, and get religion out of it, we'd all be better off. Even more so if we'd put some thought into how to create an economy that doesn't rely on more consumers all the time.

  • thatthatguy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Just a couple of notes on this:

    "We face a plague-like health crisis. More than 100 million people in the US live with sexually transmitted disease, with half of new cases coming among our youth, at an annual treatment cost of $16 billion."

    How many of the brave heroes coming home from WWII came home with STDs? As I understand, the answer is: a lot of them. Are STDs a problem? Absolutely. Are they a worse problem now then they were in the 40s? No.

    Referring to his grandfather: "With the GI bill, he studied refrigeration and through hard work built an appliance business next to a modest home he built for his family of three boys and a daughter."

    A government program that helped his grandfather become self sufficient, and that carried through several generations. Yet, the author bemoans the cost of programs like this. You know, what's good for the grandfather is good for the grandchild too. Maybe we need to keep education affordable.

    Before you decry government benefits, consider how much the greatest generation gained from them.