AZUTE1It's truly amazing how frantic and emotional you're
getting trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.A couple of
players leaving the BYU after one year because they weren't getting much
playing time, weren't contributing much, and/or weren't cutting it
academically isn't even a blip on the radar. There are literally dozens of
players who leave highly successful programs every year for similar reasons,
most of them much better players than these two.
"Sorry that these guys didn't pan out. Better to cut your losses than
carry dead wood. BYU will be just fine."It's truly amazing
how poorly byu fans speak of those who've played for byu.
Sorry that these guys didn't pan out. Better to cut your losses than carry
dead wood. BYU will be just fine. Now eutah, that's another story.
These kids left because they could not contribute on the court as far as
academics we'll never know. The grants are free to use next year or to pick
up any of the three kids still being recruited. BYU has had a 100% grad rate for
the last several years and the kids coming in have to have very good grades to
begin with. The 68th best school in the country (Best Schools 2013) has a pretty
tough competitive enviorment meaning they have to pass on many kids. In looking
at football recruiting the staff is concentrating on Catholic schools to
supplement the LDS kids and that seems to be paying off very well, Getting the
staff out of Utah County is a major accomplishment it may be a long time before
they leave the country to find kids. If I had any imput, Australia, Canada, are
certainly worthy of investing a few weeks every few years. "Red Flags"
not with a top 10 class in 13 and a very decent one for 14
Possibilities ---Jamal Aytes Scout 3 StarsHt: 6-6 Wt:
225 Position:PFHigh School:Junipero Serra Catholic HS(San
Juan Capistrano, CA)Schools of Interest:SchoolInterest LevelOfferButlerMed Interest No, BYU Med Interest No, Miami
(Fl)Med InterestNo, Utah Med InterestNo, Virginia
Commonwealth Med Interest No Trey Mason Scout 2
StarsHt: 6-2 Wt: 190 Position:SGYear:Class of 2013High School:Loyola HS(Los Angeles, CA)Schools of Interest:SchoolInterest LevelOffer?BrownMed InterestNoNone BYUMed
InterestNoNone ColoradoMed InterestNoNone ColumbiaMed
InterestNoNone CornellMed InterestNoNone PortlandMed
InterestNoNone Utah ValleyMed InterestNoNone Trey
Dickerson Scout 2 StarsHt: 6-1 Wt: 175 Position:PGYear:Class of 2013High School:God’s Academy(Dallas, TX)Schools of Interest:SchoolInterest LevelOffer?BYU Med
Interest No, Duquesne Med Interest Yes, Georgia Tech Med
No, MarylandMed Interest No, Mississippi Med Interest
No, Montana StMed Interest No, Seattle Med Interest
Yes, Siena Med Interest No, St. Peter'sMed
Interest No, Washington State Med Interest No
In a short period the two JC's (Delgado, Ambrosino) were signed, along with
Harward and Austin returning from missions. They were all clearly recruits with
little athletism and weak scoring abilities. Why Rose and staff felt the need to
bring in the four was a huge head scrather. What has happened since
season's end was totally predicatble. To sign a JC kid with dubious talent
when you had so much potential only needing decent players who could add to the
inside scoring and hopefully help out the poor 3 pt game, just makes no sense.
For the kids they had just two years left and now one is done completely wasted.
Too bad the two juniors couldn't have gone onto smaller schools where they
could have contributed. I wish I were a fly on the wall and had some idea what
was going through the staff's collective mindet. When you add in the
existing dead wood Zyistra, Sharp, Cusick, you had 7 players who totaled 14
points and 14 rebounds per game. Haws and Davies should have sued the athletic
department for lack of support.
trentster,"The program is in trouble."Because two not
so great players left? You have no clue who is even coming in. BYU is getting
stacked. Follow the program before you make such ridiculous remarks. BYU is
not utah...not even close. Two programs headed in opposite directions.
"What comes around, goes around I guess."Wishful thinking by
a Ute after coming full circle with his own two lost basketball seasons.It's not hard to read and understand historical fact. These guys
are moving on for obvious reasons or they would be staying if they merited the
opportunity.These sad Ute fans would like to have some company in
their basketball misery.Ain't happening.
Too funny that all the byU "fans" are now saying that these players
"did not warrant a scholarship" and "they lacked talent". I
think a Dave Rose led byU program is really going to struggle next year. What comes around, goes around I guess.
My hopes have come to fruition. Since early February I have noted more than
once, that the three Amigos had to find a new home. Their talent level did not
warrant a scholarship nor did they contribute to the on court success of the
team. People wonder what their infractions were. Their only infraction were
lack of talent. Coach Rose could have found better players on intramural teams.
I knew Auggie a little when he was at SLCC. Good kid, and I would've liked
to have seen him go somewhere where he could contribute more, so it's too
bad it didn't happen at BYU. He's a very versatile player, and
hopefully can go somewhere and be a contributor.
@ Go Utes!Sure as the sun rises in the east, I knew a comment would
come comparing Ambrosino's departure to what has happened with the Utes.Prior to last year, most of the Ute defections were good players
abandoning what was obviously a sinking ship. Many left because the coach/staff
who recruited them also left. That's ok. A couple may have been
injuries.It seems to me that other than injury, BYU defections were
players who left because they would not get the playing time they thought they
deserved. The writing was likely on the wall.If Delgado and
Ambrosino end up doing as well as Marshall Henderson, Carlon Brown, and Will
Clyburn then I suppose it is an apples to apples comparison. But, don't
hold your breath.I too would like to see a good big or two fill out
the roster. Go Cougars!
What ever happened to Isaac Neilson? Is he off his mission yet? Is he coming
back? He is 6'10" and was a stud coming out of high school.
Oy. Some of the comments here could tone down the drama quite a bit. I'm
glad Rose will let people go if they don't contribute like he hoped.
It's better for both parties to go their way if the player isn't going
to play as much as either had hoped.
@trentster - "The program is in trouble."Seriously? Here's who is in the pipeline: Mika, Worthington, Shaw, Neilsen,
Chatman, Emery, Haws, Collinsworth, Calvert, Hartsock, Toolsen and Nixon. And
still in the hunt for Chapman and Dastrup. Dastrup would complete a Superstar
lineup. The program has never been in better shape.As for
2013/2014, I expect a similar result to last year. We will be a borderline NCAA
team, with 23 to 26 wins. 2014/15 should be a lock for NCAA. 2016 - 2018
should be a Sweet Sixteen or better.
To J-TX:Seriously dude, is the best comment contribution you can
make to this sports article just an austere orthography lesson and nothing else?
But if you somehow feel it was a genuine addition, then thank you.
It is interesting that the BYU Basketball program appears to be going in circles
with players leaving and new ones coming in. First, as one comment above
outlines, it appears as though Ambrosino may have become a casualty of an
academic issue. This is also a reflection on the B-ball program for not watching
out for their players. While all programs go through times of transition, it
seems as though the recruiting is only focused on the guard position. I also
notice that most of the recruiting is local in nature. BYU needs big, athletic
players and I just don't see this focus in their recruiting. They seem to
be loosing their depth at these positions and not filling them. Take a look at
the top NCAA teams from this last year and you see big, athletic players running
wwookie:Not in two years, but maybe in three or four, when
they've got Mika, Emery, Tyler's little brother, Chatman, Hartsock,
and Nixon back from missions and add in a few other good recruits. Then
we'll see Rose's recruiting pay off.
Addition by subtraction. Cougs goin deeper into ncaa this year than ever before.
Best recruiting class except for duke and Kentucky. In two years, cougs will be
light'in up tvs across the world as they win national championship!
The program is in trouble. I believe it is highly unlikely they will improve
upon last year's record, which was just average--in BYU terms. Carlino is
inconsistent and Haws is very good, that is it! Collinsworth will need time to
adjust, and he is not Haws, so do not expect him have the year Haws had, coming
off of mission. Mika could very well be the key to having a successful season.
Too bad the best player in the program, aside from Haws, is on a mission in
Germany. Going the J.C. route as often as coach has recently shows some
desperation and his lack of being able to properly prepare for establishing a
roster that can compete with the big schools, even the Gonzagas and St. Marys of
the new conference as well as the NCAA upper echelon programs.
Good he was not very good. Last years JC guys were not what they were billed to
be, but Rose has gone out and recruited very well this year to make up for it.
Shows how good of a coach he is. He went out and is trying to fix the problem.
Neither Delgado nor Ambrosino had a clue of how to play defense. When you
aren't contributing to the offense, the writing was on the wall. The depth
at the bigs is not impacted by the loss of Ambrosino since he was not a
contributor all season long and probably would not be a factor in 2013/2014 had
he stayed around. I wish both players success in the future and hope BYU can
find a "stray" out there that can provide backup support and play
I was unhappy with these two recruits when they came in and doubted they would
add much.I am sorry that I was correct in my assessment -- but much
more disappointed that I was correct. They are a huge red flag that BYU
Basketball is struggling in recruiting JC or international talent.St. Mary's and Gonzaga get it done. BYU used to have a ton of great
foreign players come in who added a lot to the Cougars. C;mon Rose. BYU has
needed more "bigs" with talent for years!
@ Tators:It's "ebb and flow", as in the movement of the
tides. Not "Eb and Flo", your Denny's waitresses.
BYU only has 5 returning players? Utah has 6. My whole world just
kinda flipped upside down with this information. The U returning more players
than they Y. Whoda thunk it.
I don't know why he Ambrosino left BYU and I don't need to know. Like
some of the other posters, I thought he could develop into a big man who could
stretch the defense, much like Stephen Rogers did. But it never came together
for him.I don't think he would've played more than a few
minutes a game, but he did offer an option at the 3 or 4 position.This makes me think that we're more likely to see Kaufusi back for
another year. At the 4 and 5 positions, we have likely starters Mika and
Austin, and back-ups Worthington and Sharp with Kaufusi as the unknown. With Sharp's injuries, and Mika and Worthington's inexperience
I'd feel a lot better with one more big on the roster.But
I'm very excited about Carlino, Collinsworth and Haws at the guard
gamerPROVO, UTI don't need to know that. I have no way
of knowing if you know that. Therefore I choose not to know that.
Good luck guys. Things don't always work out, but you go with best wishes.
Those who are looking for a scandal will be disappointed.
I've heard we're closing to signing Jamal Aytes a 6'6" 225 lb
PF from the state of California. He'll be a freshman so he probably
won't contribute much but he has a reputation for being tough around the
basket and good in the paint.It's unfortunate that Auggie
couldn't stick around. He has really good size and a unique skill set that
I think would have eventually improved with more time in the system. Having a
big guy who can shoot over the perimeter defense would present a matchup problem
for other teams. I don't think he would've been anything more than a
role player but having role players on a basketball team is a good thing. They
give you options.Best of luck to Auggie and Delgado and hope they do
well where ever they end up.
Some people are trying to make this a bigger deal than it really is and trying
to complicate more than they should. It's something that happens regularly
in all major sports programs. JV players will come in to a bigger
program with the hope of making a splash and hopefully starting. When that
doesn't happen within a year, they sometimes decide they would rather go
back to a smaller program where they can have more playing time again. It's not rocket science. It's happened before, is happening now, and
will happen again in the future. No one should get too excited when it does.
It's simply the eb and flo of how things work in the sports world.
So where does thi leave BYU. I think in the guard rotation they will be fine but
there is a lack of depth at PF and C. Who is available that can contribute
The worst thing about situations similar to these is that because it is BYU
people are always going to be wondering what the students did. Are they honor
code violations? Academic? Etc.. I obviously don't know the details myself
of this particular situation but I feel bad for any student athlete that chooses
to leave BYU for personal reasons and not for violations that are targeted by
unknowing outsiders as having done something morally, legally, or ethically
Augustin Left becauwe he failed a class and was academically ineligble at BYU.
Yeah, not a big deal. These guys did not contribute and probably wouldn't
have next year. Just hope that we can use this spot for good.
Sort of odd that all these people are leaving the program. Did Delgado and
Ambrosino just not fit in at BYU, or were they unhappy about the lack of playing
time? We need to pick up some big men. Fast.
Unfortunately, Delgado and Ambrosino were given a chance, but never contributed
much while they were on the court. In the long run, this is addition by
subtraction for the BYU basketball program.Good luck to Raul and
Agustin wherever your future pursuits lead you.