If utah played the y schedule last year, they would have gone 10-2. If the y
played Utahs schedule they would have been 3-9. The y schedules enough easy wins
so they go to a bowl game.
@ tajemnicaWhy would they frequent byu articles? They are Utah fans
as I'm sure you know. I am sure there are plenty of Utah fans that do the
same stuff as duckhunter on byu articles, I think we all just need to remember
that the majority of fans for each university are quite sane.
Little Ducky,The difference in you coming here to post about JW
going to play in Canada, and Maxi going to play there, was that this was a
story, a GOOD story about Carl Williams making it at a D1 school. Now if this
story had been about JW, then fine. The story that the UTES commented on about
Maxi playing in Canada was actually a story written about Maxi playing in
Canada. There are bad fans on both sides of the fence, you being one of them who
always has to make some disparaging comment. It really must be a thorn in your
side to see one of the worst UTE teams in a decade beat your team without their
star RB, and a QB who wasn't even D1 quality.
bored(Ute) "fans", you have to learn that when your team
gets outranked year after year by your rivals, you look foolish to trying to
minimize that accomplishment.You have to learn the differences
between being a legacy and wanting one.The inability to win in your
conference and going bowl-less is getting embarrassing isn't it?
Re: RockwellRockwell:3 in a row is MEANINGLESS, especially when 2 of
the 3, and 13 of the last 16 were decided by a touchdown or less in the closing
minutes of the game or in overtime.You do realize that BYU
hasn't beaten Utah by more than a TD since 1996.Yes it has been 17
games since this has happened.Back in '82 that BYU qb could
throw it a mile, or so grandpa tells us.
@midpacmajorLots of ways to look at things historically so here is
another one for you. The BCS was formed in 1998, which a reasonable person
could use as a starting point for modern college football. Since then the teams
have played 15 time with Utah leading the series with 9 wins to 6. BYU's 6
wins have all been by a TD or less while Utah also has 6 wins by a TD or less
PLUS 3 wins by 24 points or more. Utah has 2 BCS bowl wins while BYU has yet to
play in a BCS bowl. As indicated in my previous post, the Y
dominated in the 70's and 80's but both before and after that span,
the series tilts in Utah's favor.
Nice comments by wwookie, Naval Vet, Utefanz, and VegasUte. Naval Vet is
dead-on accurate about the byu fans conveniently ignoring the past 20
years---13-7 in Utah's favor. And VegasUte points out that the obsession
of byu fans on our articles like this one is indicative of all most of their fan
base can think about. (By the way, what is it with your own fan base trashing
the Ambrosino kid, like sportsfan's "addition by subtraction,"
"he wouldn't have played more than a few minutes," etc.)Even byu's own AD is obsessed with Utah, as indicated by their
conveniently scheduling a bye the week before the Utah game. Haha! Whatever it
How telling is it that all the byU posters are on Utah stories - meanwhile over
on byU stories -- total crickets (except for one story where the byU
"fans" are bashing a poor kid for leaving the basketball team).Ain't relevance is grand??Go Utes!!
Utefanz - Don't try to use logic and reason with them. It just
doesn't work. But you have to admit that they are entertaining!!
Deep Blue: The only frantic and emotional responses to this story about a
great, hard-working kid, are from down south. Do you all feel threatened by him
or something? Your comments have nothing to do with the story. Sounds like
some people need to move past the hurt of three three straight spankings by bid
brother and start paying attention to what's going on with their own
team.Oh that's right, your team is byU - it's too painful
to pay attention to that team!! The FACT that you are here only proves that
point!! Oh well, you are always welcome to come back and entertain us some more
since your own team is too painful to follow!!Go Utes!! Go
1) If SOS didn't matter than Utah wins a NC in 2008 and Boise wins won in
2006. no team had a better record than either of those teams. Yet neither was
even in the NC game. So don't say SOS doesn't matter cause it does.
2) My point isn't Utah is better team regaurdless of record, but that if
Utah played the same schedule as BYU the last two years our record would have
been better than BYU's. Why do I say that you ask. Because BYU's SOS
is so weak in comparison to Utah's. And the Colorado reference would hold
some wieght exccept that Utah beat them the following year and BYU can't
seem to beat Utah very often. If anything it proves that and inferior team, BYU,
can beat a better team, Utah, every once in a while. Which is why BYU has 3
victories in the last 11.
Gotta love the frantic and emotional response from the Utes to try to convince
themselves that constantly finishing BEHIND the Cougars in record and national
rankings somehow makes them "better".Was Colorado(3-10)
really "better" than Utah last year? Seriously?
Sports"Fan":"PACy WACers"? Remind me again which of
our two programs made a bee-line towards the WAC to load up on their weakest
teams in order to get bowl eligible? Because last by MY count, ONE of us
aligned ourselves with the WAC and played 9 WAC teams over a 2 year span, while
the OTHER one played only one. In fact, that "other" team has to go all
the way back to 2005 to do in 8-yrs what the aforementioned "WAC"-ish
team did in 2: schedule 9 WAC teams.Yeah. That's what I
thought.Next time, don't be so frantic and emotional.
@Sportsfan:November 23, 2002 Utah 13–6 November 22, 2003
Utah 3–0 November 20, 2004 Utah 52–21 November 19, 2005
Utah 41–34OT November 25, 2006 BYU 33–31 November 24,
2007 BYU 17–10 November 22, 2008 Utah 48–24 November 28,
2009 BYU 26–23OT November 27, 2010 Utah 17–16 September
17, 2011 Utah 54–10 September 15, 2012 Utah 24–21 Get over it!!@SNAC WAC:Arguments that your team is
better means NOTHING if you don't WIN!! Yet here you are desperately
trying to argue that point. Move ON!!Great to be a
UTE!! You gotta love the troller entertainment!!
It's interesting that Utah fans beat their chests every time they beat a
ranked team, but try to pretend that they don't care about their own
national rankings.Obviously, the kids on the hill are forced to
pretend that being ranked doesn't matter, because the Utes have hardly ever
Utefanz"When we are talking about the better team between Utah
and BYU, first you take the head to head, then the SOS."SOS
means NOTHING if you don't WIN!2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) >
unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner >
unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) couch potato bowl
When we are talking about the better team between Utah and BYU, first you take
the head to head, then the SOS. If you look at the head to head, Utah is
dominating, ie 3 of 4, 8 of 11. when you look at the SOS no one can say that
BYU SOS is even good. It is very weak. Utah on the other hand has a more
difficult SOS in the last few years in comparision. Yes BYU has had a btter
record than Utah, but against very weak competition. Utah would have a better
record than BYU if they played the same schedule.I don't care how
many top 25 finishes either team has had in the BCS era, but I do care about BCS
Bowl Games and BCS Bowl wins. And Utah has that edge 2 to none. And for you
precious National Championship, you would not have gotten it in the BCS era.
Utah had the only shot and they didn't even get the oppurtunity. Why?
Because of SOS.
navelvetThe PACy WACers aren't even good enough to beat WAC
teams to qualify for a bowl.BYU fans measure success by overall
results and national rankings.Our little brothers measure success by how
they do against their big brothers.AP/Coaches RankingsBYU2011 ur/#252009 #12/#12 2008 #25/#21 2007 #14/#15
2006 #16/#15 2001 #25/#24 1996 #5/#5 1994 #18/#10 1991 #23/#23 1990 #22/#17 1989 #22/#18 1985 #16/#17 1984 #1/#1 1983 #7/#7 1981 #13/#11 1980 #12/#11 1979
#13/#12 1977 #20/#16 Utah2010 ur/#232009 #18/#18
2008 #2/#4 2004 #4/#5 2003 #21/#21 1994 #10/#8 1964 ur/#14Top 25 Finishes during the BCS eraBYU 6Utah
5Top 15 Finishes during the BCS eraBYU 4Utah 2
Love the hard work and dedication from Karl. So glad he's a Ute!! He is
the epitome of a class act and a Ute football player.Too bad that so
many from down south feel so threatened by a story honoring this kid's
@ Phoenix: "We have"Apparently not - you are still here on
Utah stories!! The fact that you are commenting on this story just proves me
right.Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!
phoenix:"You are conveniently ignoring the fact that the Utes
were nothing more than a mediocre team beating up on other mediocre teams when
the Utes were winning "championships" in those pre-WAC
conferences..."And the Indy-WACers are conveniently ignoring the
fact that the no-BCS bowling cougars had been outperformed by their big brother
on the field over these past 20-yrs -- which INCLUDED the WAC -- by going 7-13
against us.There's no question who is in command of this
series: both in the long AND short term measurables.Edge: Utah.
Karl epitomizes what the utes value and what makes a real man. All the best to
you and hoping to see you in the end zone a lot this year!Confused
--- why are duckers hateful and ignorant comments not filtered by d.news, but my
comments are so often blocked?
Well said, Two For Flinching. In any rivalry, the statistics that matter most
are the most recent games and the entire body of work. Utah has owned byu 3 in
a row, 4 of 5, 8 of 11, and overall 56-34-4. midpac, you are
conveniently leaving out all of the championships the Utes won in the leagues
they were a part of prior to the WAC (byu won none). Games and league
championships won 30 and 40 years ago are no more relevant now than
championships won 70 and 80 years ago. I know that doesn't work in
byu's favor. But the bottom line is, the only thing that is relevant is
now---the past year or few years. A favorite topic byu
"fans" like to bring up is Utah's adjustment to the PAC 12 and
their record. But they conveniently forget that even during this period of
adjustment, the Utes have still defeated byu. byu "fans", you have to
learn that when your team is getting owned by your rivals, you look foolish to
try to trash them.
midwacmajor:Yes, we all know the cougars carry such fond memories of
the WAC. I'm sure that's why you returned to that conference 2-yrs
ago. But just because you circled back to the WAC, that doesn't change the
fact that Utah retook command of the series...a long tinge ago. Our futility in
the WAC obviously didn't carry over to the MWC our the Pac-12. The pendulum swung back to Utah 20-yrs ago. How miserable for you.
CO UteHow many of those Utah teams from 1922 to 1964 finished in the
AP Top 25; in fact, how many times before 1994, 30 years later, did Utah finish
in the AP Top 25.The sad truth for Utah is the Utes, with a 30-year
head start, were nothing more than a mediocre team beating up on an even more
mediocre BYU team that was little more than a club team; 30 of the first 40
games in the series were played on Utah's home field because the Cougars
didn't even have their own stadium.When BYU finally got serious
about football, built their own stadium, and joined with Utah to help create the
WAC, Utah was left in the dust.Utah won its first WAC championship
in 1964. BYU won its first WAC championship in 1965.By the time Utah
cracked the AP Top 25 for the FIRST time, in 1994, and won its 2nd WAC
championship, in 1995, BYU had won EIGHTEEN WAC championships, a National
Championship, a Heisman Trophy, and had finished in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN
times.Since 1962 when the WAC was created, BYU has won 29 of 51.
@ DuckhunterSo when Utah fans do it, they're "fans".
But when you do it you're just having a good time... I'm sorry, but I
am pretty sure that is the definition of hypocrisy, sir. @
RockwellIf you want to see real domination try 41-8-4, including
49-0, 15-0, 35-6, 27-0, 40-7, 20-0, 43-13, 34-7, 43-0, 29-0, 21-6, 43-0, 32-0,
18-0, and 14-0. Go ahead and explain why games played 30 years ago are more
relevant today than games played 80 years ago. Also you're lying to
yourself if you think the last three years of the rivalry are meaningless.
Getting a win this year against Utah is high on the priority list of everybody
in BYU's locker room.
@Rockwell - your revisionist history referencing 19 of 21 ignores that from 1922
to 1964 the teams played 39 times. There were 4 ties during that time leaving
35 other games. Utah won 33 of those 35 games and many of them were blowouts.
Granted the Y had a great run winning 19 of 21 games back in the
70's and 80'. Of course if you remove those 21 games, Utah leads the
remaining all time series by a margin of 54-15-4. Regardless, none of this has
anything to do with a great article about a fine young man that happens to play
for Utah. Yes the team that leads the all time series by
Karl seems like a good hard worker. I wish him the best in life. But, as a big
Celtics fan, I wonder why he stole the true Truth's (Paul Pierce) name.
@stgBut you see it isn't hypocritical at all, I admit what I am
doing and I NEVER complain about utah "fans" that do it. That is the
difference and that is what makes utah "fans" hypocrites and me just a
guy having a good time.LOL!
Some just make inane comments.
Some never grow out of the age-old fall-back argument of "But he started
it!" Far fewer ironically use it while crying hypocrisy.
Well I'm a BYU fan but I will always cheer for a Layton Lancer.
Congratulations Karl, hope you have an amazing season...sounds like you've
put in the work and sacrifice to make it happen. I love stories like this
regardless of whether it's Utah or BYU, it's inspiring. Hopefully Karl
will get a lot more touches and opportunities this year.
GoRed@duckhunter (A.K.A. truth machine, bluto, swoop, sammy,
etc.)You must really be paranoid if you think all of those folks are
the same person. Most of them haven't even posted a comment on this
particular thread.It's hilarious that Utah fan have pin all of
their hopes and dreams on beating BYU nowadays, since the Utes haven't done
diddly in their big boy conference.3 in a row is MEANINGLESS,
especially when 2 of the 3, and 13 of the last 16 were decided by a touchdown or
less in the closing minutes of the game or in overtime.If you want
to see real dominance, try 19 of 21, 9 in a row, including 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28
VegasUte#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > #61 Utah(5-7) bowl no showWe have!Go Cougars!
Just the fax:Utah 24 - byU 21Get over it!!Go
DuckhunterHighland, UT.. and that offense beat your team 7 of
the last 11 years and the last three in a row.You would have known
that, but you were in Tulsa.
"@Dhunter You said "head straight for Canada" like that's a bad
thing."Herbert:Ducky has some experience in
this--he's such a fair-weather y "fan" he heads to Tulsa every time
the Utes thump the cougies. He's been in Tulsa a lot lately, so for him it
IS a bad thing.LOL
@ Taj--I find it to be highly entertaining the length you go to, in
order to establish that you're in fact not a fan of either school, yet not
only do you relentlessly post comments on threads involving one or both of these
two schools, without fail each and every single comment is pro-byu/anti-UTAH.This leads me to the obvious--Is your sentiment for
byu/against UTAH, that you can't even do the dignified/respectable thing
and pay tribute to the subject of this particular article, Karl "The
Truth" Williams, and what's he's accomplishing in life.p.s. As somebody who was born/raised down here in AZ and who grew-up on ASU
Football, I've gotten to know a large segment of the USC-fanbase,
personally, and not one of them would ever even remotely conceive of coming onto
this website, as you yourself do with precision-consistency.
@ImaCaManWow apparantly you didn't read my post in it's
entirety. And I quote: (from my own previous post) "I find it inappropriate
to tear down the other team's fans regardless of who you affiliate yourself
with." How did you get that I am justifying his actions? As is typical of
fans of both of these universities, facts are ignored and justification is used
to make you feel better. My point was to show people like you that you need to
look at things from both sides. There are far more supposed 'ute' fans
bashing BYU fans than the other way around. Why don't you be a true fan and
support your team, win or lose and when you do lose, accept defeat like a man.
And to quote David Mitchell who wrote Cloud Atlas, “So winners, Hae-Joo
proposed, are the real losers because they learn nothing? What, then, are
Tajemnica"It is clear that neither of you frequent the message
boards following articles about BYU". Exactly!! There is no
need for it. Some people should follow that example!!Go Utes!!
Total Offense#100 Washington#107 New Mexico State#109 UtahPassing Offense#98 Buffalo#99 Colorado#100 UtahRushing Offense#88 Florida Int'l#97 So Alabama#98
Yes duckhunter, keep fighting the good fight.You don't look
desperate or frantic or emotional at all.
@imacamanSo me posting the truth, that utah's offense is one of
the worst in the entire NCAA ranked below 100 for the last 2 years, is
"boorish" yet utah "fans" like chris b or naval that make
continuous comments about "mid majory, wacish, etc" BYU are making
quality, truthful, posts?
@herbert gravyIt isn't a "bad thing". For the
uneducated, many of the utah "fans" on here made a lot of less than
decent comments about how Max hall recently signed with a CFL team. None of the
the utah "fans" on here that are upset by my comments about their boy
going to the CFL had any problem at all with the dispraging remarks other utah
"fans", and some of these outraged "fans" as well, posted in
that article.I personally have a great time exposing the hypocrisy
and double standards of the utah "fans" on these boards. I have just
done it again and I did it by copying their comments about Max Hall. It is fun
to see how they think it is OK and the truth when it is a utah 'fan"
doing the disparaging but they are outraged when a BYU fan returns the favor.
In otherwords they can dish it out but they cannot take, even when
it is an exact situational reversal of something they did first. For instance
pocyute had no problems with utah "fans" doing it to max, he is now
outraged I'd say it about white.LOL!
Duck nails it again! That last RB really struggled and Van Noy just dominated
Re: TajemnicaSo his continued boorish behavior is justified in your
eyes? Losers- figuratively and literally.
@Dhunter You said "head straight for Canada" like that's a bad
@pocyUte and sportsfan2k10It is clear that neither of you frequent the
message boards following articles about BYU where there are frequently ute fans
scratching and clawing and tearing down BYU. I find it inappropriate to tear
down the other team's fans regardless of who you affiliate yourself with.
However, for the ignorant few giving duckhunter a hard time, why don't you
read the comments left by other ignorant utah fans following BYU articles. They
are far more numerous. I'm not a fan of either school but if you want to
talk about which team is more successful a better determinant is total victories
at season end - not who won the rivalry game.SoCal forever!
Duckie, this was a wonderful heart warming story, but because it is about a Utah
player, you feel the need to tear people down and be negative. Come on man...
Nice story; hope it works out for Karl and he has a great senior season.navelvet would be so disappointed; he thinks all of our players were 4-
and 5-star recruits.
Not only does JWIV not fall into the category of RB I stated,
"Bruisers", but he will not only begin his career in Canada [How many
byu RBs, overall, have EVER had the opportunity to begin their post-college
careers anywhere, whatsoever, in the 1st-place? LOL], he'll do so having
set numerous records at UTAH and with having straight brutalized byu on their
home-field, to the tune of 174 rushing-yards and 3 TDs in UTAH's utterly
dominate 54-10 victory. He also has the glorious-memory of kickin' it
while witnessing byu incapable of taking advantage of his absence this last
season and losing to UTAH, yet again. It's, literally, Groundhog's
Day, annually, in this "rivalry", always ending in a victory for THE U.
@ Duckhunter"he's playing on one of the worst offenss in
the NCAA.."Funny when a nice story like this ruffles your duck
feathers. After watchig that horrible offense beat BYU the past
three years, and 8 of the last 11, I guess it doesn't take much. LOL!
Nice job Karl. Hard work and perseverance does pay off. Kudos to DN on this
DuckYou continue your obsession with trying tear down everything
Utah related. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is the opinion of the
fans, or performance of the team.I'm curious as to why you and
posters like you feel such a visceral need to tear everything down. Again, here is a great story about a guy who has worked really hard, earned a
schollie, and is in a position to contribute on the team, but all you can do is
try to put a negative spin on a great story.
@azuteOr he could "follow in the footsteps" of the more
recent tailback at utah and head straight for Canada after graduation.
Couldn't be happier for Karl about earning that scholarship. After seeing
what he did in the spring game I'm very excited to see him play this year
and see what he will be able to do with increased touches. Good luck this year
to Karl Williams and the rest of the Utes.Go Utes!!!
Karl has the opportunity to follow in the footsteps of our previous bruisers
such as J. and M. Anderson, both of which went on to glory in The League.
Jeremiah,Thank you for researching and writing this story.Hard work and dedication can open up some amazing opportunities.Best wishes to Karl and his young family.
Awesome special teams player, good blocker, tough runner, but most importantly
humble and hardworking. Every team should have room for a Karl Williams.
What a great story, I just met him at the Layton vs Riverton baseball game the
other day. What a great kid. If you follow Ute football this kid always does a
great job everytime he gets a chance. Good luck to him and his family. Go Utes
Good for Karl!Hope he gets lots of chances to not only play, but to
shine on the "big-time football" stage.Go Utes.