IRS role in Obamacare adds deeper layer to controversy over targeting conservatives

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  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 23, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    come up through the party - you mean the way the super delegates nominated BO even though Hillary had more overall support?

    Yep, the dangers of cable news (MNSBC) schooling.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 23, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    The Un-Affordable Care-less Act is going to be the undoing of America as we know it.

    And Moderate, there is evidence to suggest that Obama wasn't elected by the majority. There are dozens of precincts that voted 100% Obama, which is statistically impossible (I doubt you can find even one ward of 150 people or more in Utah that voted 100% Romney, much less a whole precinct). In addition, there have been arrests of people who voted multiple times (guess who they voted for), not to mention the suppression of the military vote (who mostly would have voted for Romney had their votes been counted). Oh, and 108% of a place in Florida voted. That's a really good voter turnout! Please let us in on your secret.

    All election issues aside, these policies are definitely looking like they are headed for a more Communistic state. I don't have to apologize that your beloved Savior Obama either 1) has no idea what he's doing ("I heard about it the same time the American people did"), or, even worse, 2) knows exactly what he's doing. In the second case, he's intentionally destroying America as we know it.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 23, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    This President thought he could make his magic wand do everything as he changed the 16 percent of the economy in medical and health care. He just thought his lack of governance over his first year would magically appear in order. He didn't even understand that financial and automotive markets had been trying to be solvent over the many decades of proving services and products. However, never governing, he believed that he could tell Congress to vote and then read would magically make everything perfect. Law Makers have rules and regulations to go by and then President broke his working with them when he told them to vote and then read the law. He didn't have the Truth in Governing standard when these law makers broke their agreement with citizens that voted for these Senators and Representatives. The President didn't even think of the impact of what one law does to the various interconnected agencies that govern people's lives. He abused the IRS system and now people will not have trust in the invasive system to move into the new government control phase in people's lives. A sad day for people who elected a non-governor.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    May 22, 2013 5:16 p.m.


    "No one has addressed what harm was done to the Tea Party?"

    Really? A huge force in 2010 to almost nothing in 2012?

    The scandal is the result of a report issued by the Inspector General of the Treasury finding the IRS sharply discriminated against conservative organizations.

    A conservative group named Media Trackers couldn't get approved after 8 months, so it changed its name to "Greenhouse Solutions." With the new name, the same group was approved within 3 weeks.

    There is an article in USA Today on 5/15/13 titled "IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo" which gives more examples.

    The Tea Party had a right to organize for and participate in the 2012 election. They were effectively shut down by the IRS through bureaucratic nightmares, delays, preferential treatment, and abuses of power. We'll never know how the election would have turned out if the IRS hadn't done these things.

    Is that how healthcare should be run? There will probably be a day you don't agree with those in power. Do you want to experience the same hurdles and abuses with your healthcare because you are on the opposite side of the ruling party?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    'And to think, this country elected a president who backs, and promotes this. Resemble communism?"
    No. Communist leaders aren't elected by the public. They rise up through the party. Ah, the failures of home schooling, or more accurately cable news schooling.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 22, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    I think in light of recent events pointing to the lack of integrity in the IRS, to allow them to manage and control Obamacare would be a disaster. What happens when a "train wreck" speeds headlong into an unchecked storm? Welcome to our new living nightmare that is now our healthcare...where it is believed to be constitutional when the government makes you decide between "insurance" or a penalty. One has to wonder whether Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin are laughing at our stupidity, or crying watching how we have utterly messed up, trashed and drug through the mud, the constitution they sacrificed so much for.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:03 p.m.


    The T-Party is not against paying taxes. T-Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already". It's not about paying no taxes, it's about paying too much in taxes to a government that has already found a way to run up a 17 trillion dollar debt and has tha gall to ask for more.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 22, 2013 1:58 p.m.


    * IRS leaders are not elected representatives
    * IRS can take away your house
    * IRS can freeze, or take from your bank accounts
    * IRS can put you in jail
    * IRS will decide what medical care you get.
    * IRS has your personal information, and watches your movements. Can punish you for what you say.--That's what this scandal is about.

    And to think, this country elected a president who backs, and promotes this. Resemble communism?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    The actual evidence of any connection seems to be no stronger than 'the sun came up the day the affordable care act passed, and also every day the IRS has existed'. What a load of nonsense from those bereft of any positive ideas whatsoever.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    The various Obama scandals keep getting worse and worse.

    Demos. would probably be wise to join with Republicans and demand a special prosecutor. If they don't 2014 elections will look worse and worse for them.

    I suspect if/when various officials involved in the various scandals were threatened with actual jail time, they would begin to "sing" their hearts out.

    Right now, the key players have the protection of the Holder justice dept. who, obviously aren't going to even attempt to prosecute "one of the team".

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    yomama will continue to grab power as long as americans allow him to do so. yomamacare has to be repealed. this guy can not be trusted. the administration down to the various entities are so arrogant.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 22, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Obama care is the most rediculous plan to ever be unveiled in the U.S.A. On one hand, Obamas plan makes people get health insurance - and pay for it - regardless of the situation they are in. Meanwhile, the insurance companies can change insane rates for individual policies, and have an extremely high deductable. There is no regulation for what the insurance companies can charge. We pay $185 a month, and for maternity deductable it is $7,500. How is that feasable? How are insurance companies getting away with this now that everybody has to be insured they can charge whatever they feel like. People have to be insured. If they are going to do this plan, they may as well make the government in charge of the insurance companies. Everybody could pay the same amount each month, and then receive whatever health care they need. This is yet another plan that KILLS the middle class. Middle class will be paying $400- $600 for health insurance each month. The poor get care for free, and the rich don't have to worry about premiums because they are rich!!! What a foolish program.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    So i have two questions about this "scandal" that no one has addressed. First, What Tea Party group was actually denied tax exempt status? As far as i've heard no one has said they were denied, so what harm was actually done to them? Second, If a groups political leanings say they don't believe in paying taxes(like the tea party) why is it wrong to check to make sure they really don't have to pay taxes?

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 22, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    On a less cynical note, isn't this just perfect timing for the IRS to become political. Can you imagine a country where a person was afraid to vote Republican or donate to conservative causes because some entrenched GS 12 bureaucrat doesn't like people who don't support the biggest most expensive government that the liberals/Democrats do. With that kind of power, who do you think would get the medical care first? And who would be denied? Once again, Aldous Huxley and George Orwell must be spinning in their graves.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 22, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Obama is saying there is "no there there" with regards to these scandles. My opinion is when it comes to the White House there is "no President there".

  • EPJ Grantsville, UT
    May 22, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    The I.R.S. joining forces with obama-care! The perfect storm.