Ok so the conclusion after reading through these comments is "that's 15
mins of my life I'll never get back." Nevertheless, I want
to address this topic with one quote - especially directed at
Chris/Christoper.Joseph Smith said, "I teach them correct
principles, and they govern themselves."Thats it man, give it a
rest. If you want an answer to your question "which is it?" - then read
the 10 commandments in Exodus 20 and then come to a conclusion. You don't
need a member of the church to interpret that scripture for you.Wisdom is gained by reasoning for yourself and making your own decisions based
on the knowledge you have.. remember that.Just think one day
you're standing before God and you say.. well I decided not to join the
Mormon church because the members couldn't give me a straight answer about
the Sabbath Day. Then God says something like.. You should have asked me, not
@ all re: Chris B's commentsChris, thanks for such a great
question. We often get comfort among those who agree with us.Growth often among those who don't.
There is a perfect judge, and He'll be judging each of us according to the
truths we knew and had the opportunity to live. He also knows not just the
outward circumstances, but each of our inward understanding, thoughts and
motivations. The question is, Chris B., since you know both
pragmatic and purist LDS views so well - which will you personally choose to
live up to, and not so much about the choices of Weddle, or anyone else for that
matter. In the end, its the same question for everyone - athlete or not, and
every other choice we face in life - Sunday football isn't really a special
I am a die hard BYU football. Having said that I have tremendous respect for
Eric Weddle. He's the kind of athlete the media needs to follow
more often, not simply because he's religious, but because from top to
bottom he is a class guy.Why should athletes who father children
with three or four different women, or athletes who get in trouble with the law,
be showered with publicity while guys like Weddle get only the occasional
newspaper article? From a BYU fan to Eric Weddle. -I may not
have cheered for you when you were wearing the crimson and white, but back then
just as I do now, you have earned my deepest respect. All the best,
Well at least the negative comments here won't encourage Weddle to adopt a
big head. Not that he would do so anyway, but if Eric came here to find nice
comments about himself, he found out Chris B. and his foes are typing away about
Sabbath Day debates instead of considering Weddle as a solid guy. I do not
expect this back and forth to go away, that would be unrealistic regardless of
what faith I might possess. Still, I wish it gone nonetheless.I wish
Eric Weddle good health and a Charger break through season, one in which I will
watch on Sunday. Oops, is that a confession?
Chris,I can see a number of people praising Eric, and other
athletes, who have made it to the top of their passion.I can see a
number of people criticizing the U for playing on Sunday, and criticizing you
for participating in athletic events.I CAN'T see the
intersection of that group being very large, and certainly not large enough to
justify criticizing the LDS church or it's people for the small percentage
who do indeed seem to have consistency problems.I think what has
been emphasized here many times is correct. You and I both make choices in our
lives, and you and I will both give an accounting some day of the choices we
make.I think what has NOT been emphasized here enough is critical.
My job is to take responsibility for MY choices, not yours. I personally choose
not to participate in Sabbath sporting observance. I also choose not to judge
you for whatever your decision is regarding same. I personally believe my
decision is right, and I will lobby for that with other people, but far be it
from me to cast guilt.Hope that helps!
@Chris BYou fail to recognize that life is FILLED with moral dilemmas.
Such dilemmas are part of learning and gaining wisdom, not about invalidating
religion.For example, yesterday as I drove home from work, I was in
a rush to keep a commitment with my wife. In the heavy traffic on the freeway,
several people were signaling to get in front of me. It is a commandment to love
they neighbor. However, I also had made a commitment to my wife to be home, so
she wouldn't be late to an appointment.I chose not to incur the
wrath of my wife. I failed to keep a prime commandment. Does that invalidate my
faith? Is my religion wrong for saying that I should love my neighbor, even if
it conflicts with keeping family obligations?Such dilemmas as
working on Sunday, yet keeping the Sabbath Day holy do not invalidate religion.
Rather faith is even more needed to find an appropriate personal answer.As those faithful LDS know, forcing everyone to simply follow
commandments was Satan's plan, not Christ's. May we all learn and grow
as we seek out our own personal salvation.
And I was expecting to see comments about Eric Weddle! Man, what was I thinking?
I think Chris B is mainly concerned with the famous Mormon shame game.Shame is popularly given to those who are not in line with following the
gospel. Chris is showing his concern that the shame is not being equally
distributed to those not following the gospel.He has experienced
that a non member receives more shame than a celebrity LDS member.If
LDS members want to justify their shaming towards needs and wants, so be it, but
it is not the best way to convert non-members if that is your goal.
Chris, I'm treating this as if your sincere, but that's doubtful. If
you are sincere, please forgive me...You're right. I'm a
victim but only of my own choices. However if you think I'm playing the
victim card you're living in an alternative reality. The gospel of Jesus
Christ has been nothing but a blessing in my life. I am eternally grateful for
what it's afforded me..There is a critical doctrine in the LDS
Church you might not be familiar with. "...it is not meet that I should
command in all things, for he that is compelled in all things...is a slothful
and not a wise servant; wherefore he recieveth no reward."What
does this mean? That it's up to each individual member to make there own
choices, good or bad. This would include the Sabbath.The commandment
is this, "Thou Shalt Keep The Sabbath Day Holy." Does it then say,
"and don't watch football on Sunday"? No! That would mean
we're being compelled.You want a 'Yes' or
'No' answer but you aren't going to get it. The Lord doesn't
work that way. Sorry.
I made a mistake. I thought this was about Eric Weddle. Where can I find that
piece? Somehow I read the article here and found out it was about a Sabbath Day
debate. Anyone holy therein?
Chris B.,I'm LDS and think you have made a few good points
about what might appear to be a contradiction within our faith. Short answer...
working on Sunday or watching sports will not prevent one from achieving the
highest level of exaltation in the life after. Having said that, we all could
probably improve our standing with God by avoiding those activities on Sunday.
I also want to apologize for members of my faith who have been
disrespectful and called you names. This is not what we teach in our church.Chris, I'm interested to know your take on the subject. You have
mentioned on these boards that you are Catholic... which is great. Catholics
believe in the 10 commandments which includes keeping the Sabbtath day holy.
What do you believe? How do you think God looks upon those who work or attend
athletic events on Sunday? Is it right or wrong in your book?
I suspect that right now one computer system in Sandy, Ut, is smoking big time
as the keyboard blasts out word after word of challenges, agruments, counter
arguments, and a bunch of hate over such a trivial topic. But look
at the bright side, the DNews can show it's advertisers that freedom of
speech is alive and well and used in large numbers by the readers and internet
commentors of this paper.I also believe that somewhere in California
or elsewhere, the family Weddle is shaking their heads in disbelief with maybe a
smile or two sneaking through.Life is good!! Live, Love, Laugh!!
Just look at that picture of Mom, Dad and the kids!!
Chris, this has nothing to do about "Sunday" but everything to do about
you and your feelings toward the LDS church and BYU. You can nit pick all you
want, but one of the beauties of life is the choices life allows us to make.
Sometimes your choice is to hate. Eric has choose a profession where is works
on Sunday about 25 weeks a year.There is nothing hypocritical about
Eric working on Sunday. It is his decision. It is also not your call or mine
to tell him if it is right or wrong. Get some love in your life and
this wonderful world we live in would look much brighter. Trust Me!!
utahbruin,Still not answering things I see."my
experience...in Mormon Utah has taught me that Mormons think generally working
on Sundays is not ok."-Right, we would prefer not to, but if we
"have to", we do.My question wasn't "do you prefer
to work not on Sundays" My question was: Is working on Sundays
perfectly ok.My whole point is that YES you CAN avoid it.What if a Mormon got a job at a brewery and had to sample the product?That must be ok according to your logic, because he works there
right?So you agree that its perfectly ok for any Mormon to drink
alcohol if they work at a brewery and are asked to make sure the product is ok
is that right?Please be consistent in your responses.
Chris,Yes or no?Personally, I do not care what you
choose to do or not do.However, it is always interesting when
someone does something impressive that shows character.Nice to see
you take over again beating the same dead horse.
We need more role models like Eric Weddle.Chris is not wrong to
point out the self righteous arrogance and hypocrisy that is all to common in
the LDS community. btw, I'm LDS and include myself in the comment.
telesteYou made a great point, but not the one I think you intended.
First off no one can make someone else feel guilty. If you feel guilty about
something then somewhere deep down inside you believe the thing which you feel
guilty for is wrong or that you shouldn't be doing it. Bottom line if you
feel guilty about not keeping the Sabbath day holy when you do or don't do
certain things on that day you've answered your own question. One that no
one else can answer for you or tell you with any kind of authority that
you're right or wrong.
@Chris B.You should have a LDS Ute fan who shares the same dislike
towards BYU as you do (yes they exist) explain it to you. I believe I should
remind you that a vast majority of your fellow Ute fans are LDS themselves and
your comments toward the Mormon church are unnecessary. I respect you for your
beliefs and thoughts but don't try to slam the church or it's members,
especially when many of them have Ute blood flowing through them as much as you
Chris B, I can see that you are wanting a black and white answer. There
isn't one for most things. If I have to work on Sunday, it is because I
could lose my job or an important client (the ox is in the mire). If the 7-11
clerk can get a job that does not require Sunday work, then he should probably
do so. A Doc may try to order his job so that he does not have to work on
Sundays--or at all for that matter. Missing church and not being there for
family on Sunday can damage spirituality as Eric Weddle has learned. We do the
best we can between us and God. You are some thinking that the person on the
street (you or me) should be able to judge whether someone is keeping the
Sabbath. It does not work that way. I had a neighbor comment one time because
he said it looked like "fun" to use my 4 wheeler to plow the driveway on
Sunday. I said "it is fun what's your point idiot!"
@ Chris Blet me first remind you that I already agree with you when
you say that people shouldn't judge others for watching games on sunday,
while praising others for playing on sunday. You are correct on that matter.I must say however, that your understanding of the way God works is
incorrect. (granted that is probably a result of some incorrect things you have
been told by others who are supposed to be in the know).God judges
us all on an individual basis. Given the fact that Eric Weddle being a famous
football player means that he has tremendous missionary opportunities, i'm
sure God would approve of his playing on sundays as long as he does his best to
keep the sabbath day holy in every other way possible.@ telesteI happen to know for a fact that Weddle gave his career choice much
thought and prayer before going forward with it. He felt that he and God were
on the same page in this regard, thus explaining will not be necessary. Besides
that, Jesus is not looking for reasons to condemn us, he is looking for reasons
to glorify us.
@Chris B - "Is GOD totally OK with playing/watching/attending sports on
Sundays?Yes or No.God does not care about sports, Lol!
@ChrisBYou say "Which is it?"In case you missed
it, answer is above. I answered it for you so I guess this question is done.
@ ChrisB"So it's ok to do things on Sunday if its your
job?" -We all can't set our own hours, if we have a job
that ask us to work on Sunday, it's what we do to support families, yes its
OK."my experience...in Mormon Utah has taught me that Mormons
think generally working on Sundays is not ok."-Right, we would
prefer not to, but if we "have to", we do."...don't
compare him to Docs working on Sundays.He "has to" work on Sundays as
much as the 7-11 clerk "has to" work on Sundays so I can go buy
drinks."-Why can't I compare, they are all jobs aren't
they? They "have to" also, What you do on Sundays is up to you. I
don't care. If I can avoid a 7-11 and prepare myself on Saturday for my
drinks on Sunday, I choose to do that.Its either perfectly ok for
anyone to work on Sundays or it isn't."Which is it?"
-Yes, its OK, but if you can avoid it, we avoid it. Why is this so
hard for you to understand. To understand, give effort.
This is about good examples and role models, not about a sabbath day
commandment. There are other great role models that aren't lds and probably
go home from a hard days work and have a beer. Do I minimize their positive
influence because they drink beer and I don't? Of course not. If Eric
Weddle decides to play on Sundays then he will probably have to answer to god
for doing so. Does that mean I should minimize what a stud he is and how great
his example is because he does ONE thing I disagree with? Chris B, the standard
you are asking requires that we only applaud perfect individuals in which case
we would applaud no one. Most Mormons would probably say Eric Weddle is breaking
the sabbath, but as duck hunter said, they would also applaud his efforts and
example in living the other aspects of his faith. Your argument is all or
nothing and only deals in absolutes, which makes it futile because most
situations based in reality are never absolute.
I'm with Duckhunter on this one.As for Eric Weddle, he is and
always has been a great person, family man and ambassador for the University of
Utah.Great player too.
I can't believe that this has turned into a Sabbath discussion. Mormons do
not believe as the Adventists and others that you should never work on the
Sabbath. My Stake President is a doc and has to work many Sundays. My brother
is a doc and has to work from time to time. I studied every Sunday during
graduate school. If I have to work I do. The Sabbath was made for man, not man
for the Sabbath. Chris, a person who works on the Sabbath is not
choosing to disobey--you have that wrong for sure. We make these decisions on a
person level and then "own them"! No temple recommend interview, PPI, or
other accounting to our leaders will inquire about this matter. If
thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy
day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt
honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor
speaking thine own words. Isiah 58:13 If we do as Isaih says here we are
good--God's grace is sufficient!
FurthermoreObviously if there is a problem with playing on Sundays,
it's forgivable because you have former athletes as General Authorities,
Mission Presidents, Stake Presidents, Bishops, etc.Yes, it would be
ideal if everything would just stop on Sundays, but that is not the world we
live in. The point is that we try to avoid being OF the world. I've sometimes graded papers on Sunday... was that a great Sunday
activity? Probably not, but that was the circumstance I found myself in.I watch football on Sundays. Is that the best thing to do on Sundays?
Again, probably not... in fact I know, when I really think about, that there are
better things I could be doing on Sundays. But I like watching the games,
that's when they are, and I don't really have time to watch them on
other days.Like I said, church isn't just for Sundays. Just
because that's the day we observe the Sabbath doesn't mean we
don't do Sabbath activities during the week. The Sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the Sabbath...
@DuckhunterDEW Cougars said people look up to them because they play
on Sunday. "[By playing on Sundays Steve Young and Eric Weddle]
are using their missionary tool by showing their good examples and display their
beliefs." Even if we look up to them for *other reasons*...ya
can't have the Sabbath day go both ways for ya...otherwise the BYU
Women's Rugby were stupid not to compete on Sunday just like good-guy
Weddle and good-guy Young. Which is it?
And here all I wanted to do was comment "Good for Eric Weddle (not Steve
Weddle)! I don't go to church when the Chargers have a game on Sunday, and
I don't even play football...".I haven't found
anywhere in the article, or elsewhere for that matter, praise for an athlete
playing on Sunday. The praise comes from them making that fit into their
schedules, when it would be easy to not go. The problem with the
question of YES or NO, is this right? is that a big part of LDS theology is
personal revelation. Some LDS athletes have stopped playing after college
because they didn't want to play on Sunday - one football player was even
drafted, even though he had made the decision clear he wouldn't play.
It's up to the individual person. Is it a necessary job like a
doctor, police officer, or other things like that where Sunday work is
unavoidable? Not really, but that's the athlete's decision, and
that's the talent and opportunity to provide that they've been given.
It's not for us to judge.Plus, religion isn't just for
@christinaI haven't heard anyone say they are looking up to
Weddle because he plays sports on Sunday, once agqain you try to set up a
strawman and it is a failure on your part.People look up to weddle
because he is trying to to the best he can in his circumstance and because he
appears to be a quality individual. If playing on Sunday is the wrong thing to
do then so be it, but all of us do some things the wrong way and some things the
right way and Weddle appears to be one of those that does more things right than
he does things that are wrong. That is why people are "looking
up to him".
@ChrisIf you were truly interested in an answer instead of trying to
"catch" someone in a perceived conflicting statement then that might be
a different story.It is pretty clear to most what your objective is
here and that is attempt to undermine an entire religion using a single gospel
principle.Pure folly.People are fallible and nobody is
perfect. Peoples lives and circumstance require judgement calls all the time.
Consequently trying to prove someone made a choice that is in some way a
conflict to the principle does not disprove the source of the principle.Weak sauce.
@ Cris BYou are quite right when you say that people should not
condemn you and praise others for doing the same thing. The fact is, we mormons
are specifically told not to judge others, but we often do so anyway. When it
comes to keeping the sabbath day holy there are things that have been
recommended, but not necessarily commanded (turn the tv off, no sporting
events...). We have been commanded to avoid working on sundays as much as is
reasonable. There is leniency in this matter, especially for converts. God is
an understanding, merciful individual.
"It is unclear how many Raider fans were at church that day"LOL,
that's a good one.Hey, the NFL didn't stop Giff Nielsen
from rising to the top councils of the church. Don't be surprised if Eric
Weddle becomes a Seventy some day. He seems like that caliber of person to me.
Chris B or Cris B:You haven't done a good job of explaining why
you are digging at this particular topic so hard. Right now, it appears
you're just trying to be controversial, especially given your past history
of antagonism toward the LDS church and anything associated with it (i.e.,BYU).
Think about the real answer very carefully and honestly before replying.
Not everything is black and white. In the Garden of Eden, God gave Adam and Eve
two commandments. 1. Don't partake of the forbidden fruit. 2. Multiply and
replenish the earth. These two commandments were mutually exclusive. However,
one had to be broken in order for God's plan to be accomplished. The
result of that broken commandment was a lifetime of hardship and struggles.I suppose our lives might be similar. The breaking of one commandment
may lead to a lifetime of hardship and struggles that ultimately lead us to be
the people that God wanted us to be all along. We all have a different path to
walk in this life. Sometimes those paths cross with other's along the way.
Try to understand that they are just trying to struggle their way along, just
like you. Enjoy the journey and learn to cherish the lessons learned from those
others that cross your path along the way.
Attention all:See teleste for perfect response. He/she said it
better than I could haveSee telesteSee telesteSee telesteAfter reading teleste's response, I ask again:Which is it?
Chris B, I am LDS and I agree with you. Which is it?
@jasonlivy,Sorry, can't play the victim card.You
can't claim to be doing the best you can, while playing sports on Sundays
and having your members criticize me for saying God is ok with sports on
Sundays.Let me make this simple:Is GOD totally OK with
playing/watching/attending sports on Sundays?Yes or No.Because I've been told NO on these boards.And yet you Mormons
are congratulating and looking up to those playing on Sundays.Again,
Is God totally OK with watching/playing/attending sports on
Sundays?It's either yes or no.Please no flip
flopping.Yes or no?
@Chris B:If you sincerely want your questions answered, simply take
the missionary discussions with an open mind and heart. That will certainly
answer a lot of your questions and help you to become less critical at the same
time. Only you can decide what it is you're really after.
As a member of the LDS faith but one that also loves watching the NFL on
sundays, I have had members tell me I'm wrong or I "need to
repent". I don't let it bother me because I have a great relationship
with God and feel that I'm a good man and good example in many areas of my
life. As others have suggested, this as any other commandment, is a choice that
we make between ourselves and god. Chris: if there are people that judge
you for Sunday game attendance or the univ of Utah for playing on Sunday shame
on them. But why do you let it bother you? If you're ok with it then why do
you let other people's judgements get to you? I will never judge you as a
BYU fan for what you do on Sunday Chris, but don't be a hypocrit and judge
others the way they may have judged you. Walk away and be ok with the decision
you have made.As for Eric Weddle, what a tremendous example for our youth,
and what an inspiration for all of us.
Thanks to Chris' cold/stonehearted attitudes towards the LDS faith and lack
of respect for BYU, BYU fans, and LDS faithful collectively I will no longer be
reading or commenting on these message boards. He doesn't listen to people
when they try to explain beliefs or opinions and will ignore any points anyone
tries to make good or bad if they disagree with his. All he wants is to spread
bad blood through anyone who disagrees with him and I recommend to everyone not
to contest with him any longer. It's just a waste of time. Eric Weddle is a
great guy. Playing football is his job. Yes he could choose another that does
not require Sunday play but for someone who does choose this career path he does
the best he can to honor the sabbath. The difference is choosing to attend a
sporting event is 100% the choice of an individual to do on Sundays. NFL players
cannot choose their own schedules and attending sporting events does not help
feed a family. Ultimately it is up to God to judge. Not us. We just need to do
the best we can with what we have. Czesc, MAQ.
@chrisIt was a "requirement" of the team they
"chose" to play on. Splitting hairs is your specialty.I
personally don't care if you "have a hard time believing in a
faith" that you find contradictory, mainly because I don't think you
are even vaguely sincere about it. The church as an institution has chosen to
abstain from Sunday competition so anyone, or any team, offically representing
the church will not be able to do so. But individuals make their own decisions
and come to their own conclusions about what they are going to do in regards to
the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy and we all have our own opnions on
it. It really is as simple as that. The istitution says not to participate but
it is open for all of us to decide what we'll individually do. And not
everything the church advises us to do is something we are going to be
'punished' for not doing. You just want to scream
hypocrisy and try to put Mormons in the worst possible light you can put them
in. If you had a sincere desire to understand I might take you seriously.
Chris BWhy does this matter to you? Don't tell us that others
judge you, you judge yourself. Allow others the same option.
Steve Young for example - what was it, great, great, great grandson to Brigham
Young the Prophet? Steve was not perfect too and he chose to play on Sunday but
I am sure he did the same what Eric did attending Sacrament at early time
schedule. They are using their missionary tool by showing their good examples
and display their beliefs. Live Long and Prosper! Go Cougars!
Chris B...you love to find reasons to argue and disagree! The
bottom line is that at judgement day everyone will be held accountable for their
actions which includes Sabbath Day observance. You can choose to do whatever
you want on Sunday but if it doesn't follow The Lord's commandment we
will be held accountable. The problem is everyone interprets that commandment
differently. Those of us that CHOOSE to do inappropriate things on Sunday will
have to answer for it on that day and in the meantime it will affect our
spirituality negatively. Those who's career REQUIRES them to
work on Sunday don't have a choice because it is their responsibility as
fathers to provide for their family. Yes, they could find a different career
but it is not always that easy. I am active LDS and I have had to work from
time to time on Sunday--although I hate it. But you do your best in that
situation and work around it.
Chris B. is right.I, as a Mormon, am made to feel bad for merely
*watching* "the big game" on Sundays and not separating it for the Lord.
At the same time, other Mormons are revered for *choosing to play on Sundays*.
There is a clear double standard. It is undeniable. I am not
criticizing the athletes who do it...I'd do the same (relevant
username)...but I am criticizing all the church leaders and church owned
publications who want it both ways. Eric Weddle is a hero bc he
played on Sundays for money when he didn't have to.BYU Women's
Rugby Team are heroes bc they didn't play on Sunday.Which is
it?BTW: How will Weddle explain to Jesus that football was more
important than the 10 Commandments? I'd love the right response...I'll
need it too.
Chris B.There've been some excellent, heartfelt answers about
the Sabbath and how members of the LDS faith approach this holy day, but that
isn't your intent, is it? You don't want your questions answered.
Rather you want to berate 'Mormons' and tell them how hypocritical
they are, how they should just give up if they can't adhere perfectly to
every commandment and law within the Church. Pointing out their flaws seems to
bring you some satisfaction.The fact is The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints isn't for perfect people. We live in an evil, corrupt
world where we do the best we can to live by the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are
in need of a physician and Christ is that physician. Everyday we do the best we
can and repent for those things we fail in. It's an ongoing struggle. The
daily blessings we receive for striving to do what's right outweigh the
challenges we face in keeping His commandments.You can continue to
criticize all you want, but in the end we all have to answer for our own
choices. It would be wise to listen.
@Chris B - The church has no official policy on whether working on Sundays is
"ok" or "not ok." What the church (not whatever member(s) it was
that has obviously made you feel defensive) has always taught is that the
sabbath should be regarded as a special day, set apart for worship and rest.
Members are encouraged to participate in activities that help maintain a feeling
of reverence and that help them feel the spirit. The church does not dictate
what those activities are or aren't. The church itself has never scheduled
sports events/activities on Sunday because those events tend to be the opposite
of "reverent." But, the church has never prohibited members from
participating in or attending sporting events. The same goes for working on
Sundays. The bottom line is, the church wants its members to have a day to rest
and focus on the spiritual aspect of their lives. But it also recognizes that
many times people don't always have a choice whether to work on Sundays or
not, be they a doctor OR a 7-11 clerk. It also recognizes that people are free
to choose in which Sunday activities they participate.
Ender,What I wish is that those who chastised me for saying Sunday
sports are ok with God when the Runnin Utes were having Sunday games this past
year would treat me as they treat Weddle, Pitta, Collie, Unga, and other
Mormons.By PLAYING SUNDAYS Pitta, Weddle, and these Mormon players
are saying its ok to play on Sundays.Yet when I say God is ok with
me going to basketball games on Sunday I get told I'm breaking one of the
ten commandments.Which is it?
Duckhunter,Interesting word choice to say your sons were
"required" to play on Sunday instead of saying they "chose" to
play on Sundays.I just have a hard time believing in a faith that
tells us nonstop they are the only true religion, that Sunday is a day of rest
and that sporting events should be avoided, and then congratulating and
celebrating those who play on Sunday. Those things don't all mesh
together. From a Non Mormon in Utah I'm just being frank that I
hear one thing from your people and I see something completely different.Just an observation from a non-Mormon among you
Eric Weddle...you're a great example. Your commitment to faith and family
is what drives you to be the best you can be. I ALWAYS appreciate a story like
this regardless of the Sabbath issue. It's between you and the Lord. Keep
up the good work. Even though I'm a true blue BYU fan, I watched you play
at Utah. You were always a class act. Your kind gesture toward John Beck was
above reproach. Stay true to what you believe.
@Chris BYou keep saying "which is it?" as if the world were black
and white. I seriously doubt you fail to recognize the world with all its shades
of gray. Personally, I don't think you are even truly searching for an
answer to your own question!You don't want to know "which
is it?". You merely want to argue for argument's sake, and that is
truly not worth arguing.
christina wants to set up a strawman here to help solidify his self proclaimed
victimhood.The fact is God himself has told us to "remember the
sabbath day and keep it holy", and those are his words. From there it is up
to us to decide what constitutes doing just that. Now I would say watching,
attending, and playing in sporting events are not in line with that commandment
but at the same time this is a life of choices and we all make them.I watch sporting events on Sunday, and even attended a couple of them on
Sunday in my life. My sons have played in baseball tournaments that required
Sunday play. As an individual you have to decide if the committment you made to
your team, which includes other people, is the right thing to do when that
situation comes up. Keeping committments certainly is a value espoused by the
LDS church and individuals do not have the scheduling control that BYU has, so
when they participate outside of that they are left with those decisions. In
that case I don't think either decision is wrong, you just have to do what
your conscience dictates.
In a previous post that was denied by DN, I used the word "ignorance". I
have to assume that this word was the cause of the denial. There was absolutely
nothing else in my comment that could justify the action taken. Everyday I read
comments in here by Chris et.al., who attack individuals, BYU fans, and the LDS
church/members. The word "ignorance" implies lack of knowledge or
understanding. My apologies for being misunderstood, but please apply these same
standards to all who comment.
utahbruin,So it's ok to do things on Sunday if its your job?That's funny, because my experience in my many years in Mormon Utah
has taught me that Mormons think generally working on Sundays is not ok.And please don't compare him to Doctors working on Sundays.He "has to" work on Sundays as much as the 7-11 clerk "has
to" work on Sundays so I can go buy drinks.Its either perfectly
ok for anyone to work on Sundays or it isn't.Which is it?
Great Job Weddle! Keep dominating!We all have the same decision to
make in our life as we figure out how to maintain balance and accomplish our
goals. The goal is to stick to the straight and narrow path and hold onto the
Faithfully observing the sabbath means withdrawing oneself from all worldly
things and focusing only on that which is related to the Gospel on Sunday. It
excludes not only playing football professionally on that day but recreationally
watching it as well. Even watching it on TV is not really keeping the sabbath
day holy. But we all find excuses and justifications to do things we're not
supposed to do. Ultimately what one does on Sunday and how one chooses to
observe the Sabbath is a personal choice and is entirely between the individual
and God. Judging somebody else for not observing the sabbath is a worse sin than
breaking the sabbath itself. Get Uchtdorfed.
@GeoMan,This is not a question of what we prefer. It doesn't
matter what Weddle "prefers" between Sunday and Saturday.It's about what he CHOOSES to do.When given the CHOICE of 1) obeying the Sunday rules you Mormons mandateor2) playing
on SundayHe CHOSE playing on Sundays. So did Pitta. And Collie.Half of the time you claim them as great examples of your faith and then
you people tell me I'm wrong for my belief that Sunday sports are fine.Which is it?
RBN,So its' the fans fault for making these Mormon players play
on Sunday?No. Wrong.What a poor excuse that is.
@Chris BIf people criticized you, they are wrong. You have your
freedom, but ChrisB, you do bring much of this upon yourself with your comments
at times. I never knew Weddle was a Mormon, I always admired him as
a FB player even though I am not a Ute fan. I love his tenacity, passion and
the way he plays the game.As for LDS thoughts, I am LDS. Sunday is
a day to keep reverent and not participate in activities like sports. This is
Mr. Weddle's job, no different than a Doctor, Police, etc. that works on
Sundays to support their families. I support and applaud Weddle for that. I
personally try not to engage in much activity on Sundays. Am I perfect?
Absolutely not, I make mistakes just like anyone. But I am only responsible for
me and teaching my kids, not Weddle, you or anyone else. I try to be the best I
can be and hopefully I am a good example. That is all I can do.But
Chris to understand something you have to give effort, you are argumentative a
lot of the time.GO BRUINS!
Chris,I personally believe that it's a difference between being
entertained and thus causing others to work on the Sabbath (the fans), and
having to show up for your job (Weddle). I think most Mormons make this
distinction, although some probably believe that Weddle could choose another
career (that's what BYU's Eli Herring did). That said, I'm in no
position to judge others, including you, fans attending Sunday games, Eric
Weddle, or those you claim are flip-flopping.Go Utes.
Chris B,I am sorry if commenters here chose to criticize you rather than
to just disagree with you. I bet that if you asked Steve Weddle what he would
think of a proposal by the NFL to switch to Saturday games, he would think it
was great that he wouldn't have to "work" on Sunday any more. We
live in an imperfect world and thus not everyone honors the Sabbath. Not
everyone even acknowledges it or knows about it. Thus, people like Steve
Weddle, doctors, police officers, etc. that would prefer not to work on Sundays
end up having to work on Sundays. You might say that they should just choose
different careers. I would say that having people that value the Sabbath in all
corners of society pays a benefit that justifies their sacrifice.When
people criticize a policy that results in what they believe is violating the
Sabbath, they are simply trying to influence society for the better. The fact
that neither society, others, nor they themselves are perfect doesn't
invalidate their objective. I accept that you may not agree. I would hope that
all would try to disagree without being disagreeable.UofU class of 1981
So its bad when Mormon Utes go to basketball games on Sunday(which I was told
many times on these boards during the season when Utah has Sunday games) and its
ok for Mormons to play football on Sundays.Which is it?I
love Weddle and I love his success as a Charger.I just dislike the
flip flopping by the Mormons who criticize me on these boards when I say its
fine to do sports on Sundays, and then your own kind do the exact same thing.Go Utes!
Very interesting article about Eric Weddle. I've really enjoyed all of
these articles and am looking forward to being able to pick up Weddle's
book. He is a great Ute alum and is a fantastic safety for the Chargers. Once
again I am excited to see him play in the upcoming season and am excited to see
what the new coaching staff can do there. Good luck to San Diego and Eric
Noting but respect for Eric Weddle. Great football player with great