My father in law was a respected member of a rural Utah community. But when he
was umpiring baseball, you can forget respect. Periodically, after a
controversial call, he'd let the wailing and gnashing of teeth go on for a
while. Then he'd slowly stand up straight, take his mask off, and slowly
walk back to the backstop. "We'll," he'd say,
" it was a ball, because I said it was a ball." After the silence
bounced around for a while, he'd go back, get into position, and call
Two For Flinching, my point exactly. You can only give credit to the BYU players
for making the plays to set it up, and take advantage of what was given them, so
good on them for that. But considering the fairly wide zone the home plate
umpire had been calling the entire game, those were pitches that were pretty
well within what had previously been called strikes, from my vantage point. That
was definitely the pivotal point in a very close game to culminate what was a
very close series between the teams this year.
@two ferI was at the game and sitting directly behind home plate
about 4 rows up. Those were not clear strikes, frankly they looked out of the
zone to me although close, to close to not swing IMO but that is simply the way
of it in baseball. The fact is the better team won, and won 2 of 3 this season
which is pretty close to the overall historical disparity between the two teams.
@ EddieUtah averages over 14,000 for women's gymnastics, and
was in the top half in attendance for men's basketball. Obviously people
care about more than just Utah football.@ DuckhunterNOBODY is trying to blame the umpires. We are just expressing frustration
with one at bat during a big moment in the game. Despite those calls, Utah had
its chance to win and didn't capitalize.
The duel should not be so hard to figure out. Don't let a tiebreaker even
be a possibility. This isn't rocket science. BYU has been
VERY dominate over Utah overall since this started. Glad there is a system to
I love the utah "fans" trying to blame it on the umps.LOL!
twofer"Nick Green had him struck out twice."Obviously he didn't; do you need some cheese to go along with that whine?
AZUTE1"Regarding the deseret dual[sic]--. ASU/ua have their
territorial cup series to zero fanfare, as well..."You're
obviously confused if you think that anybody on this blog is even remotely
interested in your little Territorial Cup.
Don't be too hard on those ONE Sport fans on the hill. They really
don't know how to play or what goes on in other sports. Every conversation
will be around their football program, even if they are on the bottom of the pac
10.2. I really believe that they would rather just concentrate on football and
be in last place every year and be in the pac 10.2 than win in any other sport.
It must be sad to moap around campus/town and really have nothing to
cheer about for 364 days.
@ StGtoSLCI agree. Nick Green had him struck out twice. It was
AZUTE1"Anybody placing any stock into these mid-week games,
clearly doesn't comprehend anything about College Baseball."LOL at your whiny excuse making!BYU was also saving its starting
pitchers for their weekend series and there's absolutely no reason to
believe that Utah would be reaching into the depths of their dugout to play kids
who normally don't play in a rivalry game with BYU.Face it, U
lost 2 out of 3 to a team that's dominated U in baseball forever!
"dOwn"Regarding the deseret dual--Yaaaawn....ASU/ua have their territorial cup series to zero fanfare, as well.
The Territorial Cup is, literally, the ultimate prize, as it represents winning
the annual rivalry football fame in the king of all sports in Collegiate
Athletics. It currently resides right here in Tempe. Up there in Utah,
it's The Beehive Boot which exists as the state's crown jewel.
Don't fool yourselves into believing, otherwise.
Anybody placing any stock into these mid-week games, clearly doesn't
comprehend anything about College Baseball. With teams saving their starting
pitchers for their weekend series' and routinely reaching deep into their
dugouts and playing kids who normally don't see much, if any, playing time,
any team can beat any team.A prime example if it occurred last
season diwn there in Tucson, where NMSU destroyed eventual NC ua in a two-game,
mid-week series. Don't believe me? Be my guest and look it up for
Deseret First Duel Final StandingsBYU won: w volleyball, m/w
basketball, m tennis, softball, baseball. Utah won: w soccer, football,
m/w swimming, gymnastics, w tennis.BYU and Utah tied 25-25 for the
Deseret First Duel (Utah wins tiebreaker). In the six years of the Duel, Utah
has outscored BYU just once.
StGtoSLC"The last two called balls in Hannemann's at-bat to
tie the game in the bottom of the sixth were just awful."Just be
grateful Hannemann didn't belt one of those "awful" balls over the
fence for a grand slam.-------The 25-25
"tie-breaker" for the Deseret Duel Trophy is silly. They should add a
13th sport, like Men's Volleyball, to avoid ties and to give BYU has an
automatic win every year like the Utes have with Women's Gymnastics.In the larger picture, the NACDA Director's Cup (which ranks
national achievement in all sports), BYU once again leads Utah by a substantial
margin, just like they have for each of the 20 years the NACDA Director's
Cup has been awarded.#45 BYU 308.00 points#63 Utah 228.75
pointsWhen scores from Men's Volleyball, Softball, Baseball,
Golf and Track & Field are added to the mix, BYU will likely move into the
Top 30, as usual, while the Utes are already finished for the year.
Nice work Cougars. Real Bass and sls are spot on. This is no rivalry. The
Coug are in at a different level and have dominated for years. Once again the
Utes are in the basement of the PAC 10.2. I LOVE MY INDEPENDANCE.
Eking out a win over the last place team in the PAC12 isn't too exciting,
but it is nice to beat Utah once again. Hopefully, the Cougs can be prepared to
take the series against St. Mary's and move on to the postseason.
The Desert Duel thing is disappointing. Because of the potential for a tie
(which happened, 6 sports and 25 points each) the overall trophy was decided in
some "back room" negotiations and handed out two weeks ago. So much for
all the rivalry talk. Not sure what was wrong with a tie between two excellent
programs. RSL loves them!!
This is not a rivalry. Utah hasn't won the series this century!
The last two called balls in Hannemann's at-bat to tie the game in the
bottom of the sixth were just awful.
Congrats Cougars!After tonight's Deseret Duel Baseball Trophy
clinching win, BYU is now 233-109-2 lifetime versus Utah.