President Obama's second-term curse?

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" there is a big difference between those incidents and Benghazi.

    The biggest is the fact that afterwards Obama LIED to the US public by blaming a YouTube video, when even the most ill informed person knows that protestors don't typically carry rocket propelled grenades.

    Then you have the fact that military personnel were told to stand down. (Didn't Reagan bomb Libya after the attack, and I don't think Bush told military members to stand down.)

    Why would you support and defend a President who lies directly to your face?

    To "Ultra Bob" you realize that what the IRS was doing to the conservative groups is EXACTLY the same thing that go Nixon impeached. The IRS was gathering information for political purposes because they turned some of the information gathered during the audits over to liberal political action groups.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 15, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Virginia Beach, VA
    @Moderate, I can promise you the Standard Operating Procedures for an Embassy attack is for the President to be in contact with the Military Officer in Charge, or at least standing by.


    How about that 1983 terrorist attack killing 241 American Marines in Lebanon Embassy under President Reagan.
    The WhiteHouse staff didn't even bother to wake up the sleeping President.

    Finally, let’s check into the Republican-controlled House that cut embassy security funding by hundreds of millions of dollars, probably the biggest contributor to those deaths in Benghazi or the
    13 OTHER Benghazi-style U.S. Embassy attacks during the Bush Administration....not a peep from Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity or FoxNews over them.

    I can promise you that SubMarines and Navy SumbMarine School procedures are not standard operating procedures for the WhiteHouse.

    There is a proper Chain of Command.
    And of all people, you should be aware of how that operates.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    I believe that the IRS was simply doing their job. The crime in this story is the improper request for tax exemption for people who misrepresent the people of the USA.

    I believe that the Benghazi tragedy was the consequences of the American business oppression upon foreign peoples. It is unlikely that any business media will allow us to know the truth.

    I believe that most of the difficulties put upon President Obama are because of the issue of racial hate.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 15, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    The second term curse is the term limit imposed by the Republicans onto the Constitution after FDR. Term limits are not appropriate in a democracy; the people should have the right to vote for whomever they want. In 1944 they wanted to continue with FDR-- shouldn't they have had that right?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 15, 2013 9:38 a.m.


    REP. ROBIN KELLY: You said that four military personnel were told not to the board that plane and that this call came from Special Operations Command Africa. Is that right?

    HICKS: That's what I understand.

    Any evidence a "stand-down" order came from the President?

    Zero, zilch, nada

  • SLars Provo, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    Don't forget the government spying on the Associated Press.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    May 14, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    @Moderate, I can promise you the Standard Operating Procedures for an Embassy attack is for the President to be in contact with the Military Officer in Charge, or at least standing by. In the White House, the President is normally in the Situation Room with a military attache. The Military SOP would be to asst. the embassy by any means necessary, unless there was an order coming from the Situation Room to stand down. Obama's politcal advisors probably talked him into standing down. In my experience, political leaders can make poor choices in these matters.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 14, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    WE are all suffering from the second term curse, which is bad because the US has not recovered from his first term curse.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    "The "stand down" order to the embassy can only come from the president’s office"
    Factually dubious. It ignores the long chain of command that exists in the United States Military. You can't have it both ways. You can't decry that government is too big, then claim that the President makes every decision.

  • onejn416 Anchorage, AK
    May 14, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    The "stand down" order to the embassy can only come from the president’s office, during times of crisis. For anyone to assume that Obama did not issue that order is pure denial. For anyone to assume that Hillary and Obama were not in continuous contact is pure denial. Quit playing the politics and start holding people accountable for their actions and or incompetence. If this were Bush, the media would be screaming for impeachment hearings. Unfortunately ABC, CBS and CNN all have CEOs whose relatives hold high level positions in this administration, so the cover up is real from inside and out. Just for the record, I am a registered independent and did a write in for the first time in my life. Party preference has nothing to do with it.