In all these discussions, what's going to hold sway: God's word, or
man's philosophies? Seems to me we ought to give God the chance to speak
for himself, which he does through the Holy Spirit--for those wise enough to
@sharrona – “…Women are the greatest temptation in the
world.” You agree?”Interesting question – well
it’s certainly a fact that sex has been the downfall of many religious
person. With the exceptions of the need to eat and breath, the need for sex is
probably our most powerful urge. The Buddha was known to have said (paraphrase)
– “if we were subject to another temptation as strong as sex,
becoming enlightened would be all but impossible.”Despite the
doctrines of bookish theologians, it strikes me as highly plausible that the
phenomenon of what the East calls intuition (or insight) and the phenomenon of
what the West refers to as revelation, are referring the exact same thing. That
they are labeled and understood differently I think has everything to do with
culture and nothing to do with the underlying reality of the experience…
my 2 cents.
If you never know what is expected you can be as blameless. Ignorance is no
excuse to the law.
To: Tyler D, The 10th commandment sounds a bit silly… did God really need
to provide a laundry of items? “you shall not covet your
neighbor's wife”. VS The 4th vow of Jainism, denounced any contact,
mental or physical, with women or eating or drinking anything Mahavira did not
only renounce women for good. The renunciation of all external pleasures and
things owed to the fact that “Women are the greatest temptation in the
world.” You agree?The Concept of Truth In the east, truth
comes through intuition. It’s apprehended apart from the cognitive
thinking process. In contrast, Christianity teaches that truth comes through
revelation. God’s most complete revelation is found in the person and
through the work of Jesus Christ who was none other than God Himself in human
flesh. The truth, according to Christianity, is understood with the mind and is
then embraced with the heart
@sharrona – “The second table of the law(Ten Commandments): Commands
5-10: teach reverence for others, are horizontal and are ethics.”I have no problem with 5-10 (although when you read #10 it does sound a bit
silly… did God really need to provide a laundry of items, especially given
the limited space on stone tablets, to make the point that coveting is bad?),
but these ethical precepts are not original to Judaism.But to go on
and assert that a lack of belief in the God of Abraham necessarily implies moral
relativism and decay is a gross fallacy. This is easily demonstrated by an
unbiased examination of other cultures, beliefs, and ethical systems.Take Jainism – a religion of India that influenced Gandhi. The main
precept of Jainism is as follows:"Do not injure, abuse, oppress,
enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being."Captures in one sentence a sound ethical foundation without the
metaphysical silliness of jealous Gods and graven images… not bad for a
religion that does not believe in a creator God, yes?
@sharrona"This effectively removes the power to love others,
because God's Word tells us, 'We love because he first loved us'.
1 Jn. 4:19."The fact that you believe one who doesn't
believe in God effectively doesn't have the power to love others is the
reason your faith scares me so much. Absolutely stunning. Thankfully
things are changing with the new generation of church goers.
RE:Tyler D, The second table of the law(Ten Commandments): Commands 5-10: teach
reverence for others, are horizontal and are ethics. Our Relationship with
Others 5.Honor our father and mother. 6. Do not kill 7.Do not commit adultery
8.Do not steal 9.Do not bear false witness 10.Do not covet.Today,
society has reversed Jesus' summation of the Law: "You shall love your
neighbor with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength... and you shall love God
as you love yourself. By making man the center and measure of everything, the
ethical center is always changing. Truth, goodness, right and wrong are no more
than what human opinion currently holds them to be—modern floating
ethics.The impotence of this system is further sealed by demoting
one's love for God to second place, which is really to give no place at
all. This effectively removes the power to love others, because God's Word
tells us, 'We love because he first loved us'. 1 Jn. 4:19.
@FT1/SS"And the morality of our society continues to
decay."Morality is subjective. What you're saying is YOUR
morals or decaying in society. This isn't YOUR country though. Would you be
opposed to Sharia law being posted in some public buildings? You shouldn't
be. If Christian teachings are public .... any teachings should be public."They spoke of God at all of there civic events of the day.
That's how Republic's survive, and they understood it! Empires rise on
good morals, and come crashing down on immorality. The American Empire will come
crashing down, try reading a World History book on empires. Better yet, read the
writings of the Founding Fathers."All great empires fell for
economic reasons. Had nothing to do with morals. Once could say at Rome's
height they lacked 'Christian' morals the most when you consider the
slavery, forced battles, sex lifestyle, etc. In fact they fell AFTER becoming a
Yes, because without these anachronistic commands to not worship graven images
or covet manservants, the children of OK will slide head long into moral
And the morality of our society continues to decay. The founders, and their
intent of the constitution was in the seperation of church and state to keep
religion from ruling the people. As was the case in Europe during there era.
However, there intent was also to have a christian influence among the people
to keep good moral values. They spoke of God at all of there civic events of the
day. That's how Republic's survive, and they understood it! Empires
rise on good morals, and come crashing down on immorality. The American Empire
will come crashing down, try reading a World History book on empires. Better
yet, read the writings of the Founding Fathers.
The U.S. Supreme Court has its own display of the ten commandments. Nobody seems
to have a problem with that. Who are they going to sue, the Chief justices.
Another victory for the US Constitution and the First Amendment!
Well said Blue. Display them all you want but until you're willing to let
Islam, Buddhist, Atheist, and any other teachings publicly displayed you
can't hang on to only Christian ones.
Wallpaper you home with the Ten Commandments if you like. Plaster them all over
your car. Decorate your front lawn with them. Paint them on your roof so you
can seen them from the air. Recite them with your family every morning around
the breakfast table and again each night as you go to bed.Just
don't expect public institutions to be used to express your private
religious beliefs - even if your beliefs are popular. That's now how our