Topic of the day: IRS scandal

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    Ultra Bob
    Such violent imagery (the strangling, the KKK, etc). Bogus though. Your challenge is to come up with some laws the TEA PARTY has violated (hint, the KKK is not the tea party and the KKK is not defended by any Conservatives I know).

    To make your point you need to come up with some illegal acts or acts of treason from the Tea Party (hint, gathering, protesting, holding signs, giving speaches, is not illegal or treason). Problem is... trecherous or violent Tea Party acts don't exist (to my knowledge). They are peaceful, patriotic people who believe in change through votess... not change through force, violence, larceny, arson, vandalism, bombings, murders, etc (like SDS, Weather Underground, OWS, ALF, etc).

    I don't understand your venom for the Team Party people. You may have fallen for the bogus stereotype some people have for the Team Party (That they want to END government... they want "No Government"). Not true. They just want smaller government, a government that doesn't plunder it's people with heavy taxes, a government with Constitutional limits. That's not so bad is it?

    People who insist tea party people want no government are laughable.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    2 bits.

    No deal, I don’t take sucker bets, even when it’s someone else eating their hat.

    It’s not the violence that I worry about from the Tea Party. Although I have seen some pretty gruesome Ultra Bob pictures of things being done to people by the KKK.

    It is the stagnation that they want to impose on our national government that will take away the rights and freedoms that we have enjoyed. The fact that the person strangling you is wearing velvet gloves doesn’t really matter.

    I suspect their motives because on the one hand they want freedom and on the other hand they want to handicap the only real source of freedom that we have. Believe it or not, we will only have freedom as long as we have a big brother that will secure that freedom, and that big brother is the American government.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Ultra Bob,
    If I were you.. I would look into OWS, The Weather Underground, and SDS, Black Panthers, etc, first. These left-wing radical groups fit what you are describing much more that the TEA Party. Tea Party seems to be a pretty peacefull bunch that wants to change things legally at the ballot box (not through violence, chaos, intimidattion, and violent confruntation, like the left-wing groups I mentioned.

    Tell you what... if you can give one example of violence from a Tea Party event... and I can't match it with a dozen from OWS gatherings, or SDS's days of rage, or the Weather Underground bombing of government buildings, Black Panther's activities, etc... I'll eat my hat.


  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    In WWII there was a concern for Americans and our government about a Fifth Column at work in America to destroy America from the inside. They would pretend to be Americans as they carried out their attacks. And they would use our own freedoms against us.

    To me, the Tea Party is a Fifth Column, not because of their beliefs, but because of the actions and plans to hamper and destroy the American government thus preventing the life liberty and pursuit of happiness for ordinary people. If they had existed at the time of WWII they would have been met with much more hostility than the IRS.

    I am greatly offended when the use the American Flag as their banner. The American flag represents America and it’s values, not the selfish greed of people like the Tea Party.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Ultra Bob
    Painting patriotic people who just have a difference of opinion on the size of government and taxes as "anti American" or claiming they see America as "the enemy nation" is just sad on your part. When people can't have a difference of opinion without having to deal with your bullying tactics we don't have the America with Constitutional protections for ALL people (not just people who think like you).

    Your attitude is exactly the problem we are discussing here. The problem is... the IRS has basically the same attitude you have. Thinking if they don't agree with your politics... they have the right to bully you, or use the "persuasion of power"(trusted to the IRS by the people) and thinking if they don't like your politics the can abuse that power and infringe on the rights of SOME Americans.

    Truth is... it doesn't matter what their politics are, they still have rights and deserve equal treatment by their Government. Even if you like it... We shouldn't have Government agencies bullying or intimidating groups of Americans who just want to organize, assemble, speak, and be involved in the political process.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    Even though Fox News repeatedly uses the work “crime” in their discussion of the IRS, no one yet has actually charged anybody with a crime. Is there any one deprived of freedom of speech, or any one prohibited from contributing to a cause?

    The crime in this is the political parties asking for tax exemption on the false notion that they are representing the general public.

    In the war strategy between nations, it is a popular tactic to promote discontent and revolution of the people in the enemy nation. When a group is so anti American government as the Tea Party, how should we know if it is only Americans or perhaps the promotion of our enemies?

    Does it embolden our enemies to see that their strategy is working?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Hutterite The frothing is the foam from Obamas spin cycle

    Happy Valley Obama ran an election based upon phony charges of a war on women, accusing anyone who questions him as being a racist and vilifying finacial success. Accusing Romney of class warfare only works in a universe where floods cause rain

    Ultra Bob controlling speech through tax code is extremely dangerous and you can blame LBJ for linking the two since he was the one who made the legal connection in an effort to silence non-profits who didnt like him

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    May 14, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    "Too many people are content to sit back and be controlled, bought off with a freebie and vote for those who promise anything free."

    You are absolutely correct.

    And those people are called CONGRESSMEN.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    "Imagine the left if the IRS had targeted progressives, move on, unions or any other liberal cause! Can you hear the howls?"

    Actually they did target the NAACP and some black churches during the Bush administration. Pretty much everyone on the left including myself thinks what the IRS did with regards to the current scandal was wrong.

    Frankly I'm glad you all managed to find a legitimate scandal since the Benghazi thing is just nonsensical Monday morning quarterbacking ("well maybe some sort of a flyover would've dispersed the crowds") and whining about a lack of accuracy in details that were already clarified by late September anyway (as opposed to it taking a few years to get the facts on Bush administration WMD reports that said there weren't any). The AP thing is probably legal sadly given what the Patriot Act and other similar legislation allows for.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    I'm actually impressed with how Obama himself is handling this scandal. He's not trying to spin it, hide it, or deny it. He's just coming out very directly and saying "this is not acceptable".

    Obama is not the problem this time. It's the hyper-political climate currently in Washington (and both sides have a role in that). This hyper-political atmosphere the Obama Administration is partially responsible for allowing to get out-of-hand, is the problem. It results in beurocrats, agency leaders, workers, and agencies like this thinking they are doing the President or the Party's dirty work and honestly believe that what they are doing is a noble thing for the country.

    If we could do away with the hyper-political atmosphere currently in Washington (something Senator Obama PROMISED to do) this problem would not exist. The President has actually done nothing to end "Washington-as-usual", in fact he has worked to INCREASE the political divide. That I blame mostly on the President (becasue he was elected on that promise then did nothing to deliver). Republicans also deserve blame for responding to how their President was treated by the Democrat minority.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 14, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    hope n change == scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal.....

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Mountanman @ Joe Blow. You completely missed the point! Its not about people controlling themselves, its all about an all out hatred of Obama.

    mtnman has to post this at least 3 times a day in any political comment section "Too many people are content to sit back and be controlled, bought off with a freebie and vote for those who promise anything free. Its like a piece of "free" cheese on a mouse trap. "Are you that kind of person?" Too many are."

    Mit was wrong the American people saw thru his class warfare, you should probably drop it since it's just a silly opinion based on a lie.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    In the midst of all this new frothing hyperbole, how did benghazi become unimportant?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 14, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    You know there actually are a couple of problems here, but the special scrutiny given to conservative organizations requesting tax exempt status is the smaller problem. The bigger problem is the fact that purely political organizations are getting tax exempt status along with the incumbent donor revelation rules. The targeting problem is easy to fix, the other not so easy since Citizens United.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Political groups such as the Tea Party should not be given tax exempt status by the IRS. As a mater of fact, no private groups should have tax exempt status.

    Political groups of any ilk should be transparent and honest in their actions. Apparently conservative groups feel that to be an imposition on their freedom.

    Our government is charged to protect America from all enemies both foreign and domestic. Normally we would expect our military and law enforcement groups to carry out that duty. However, any government agency seeing improper activity should use it’s power to expose and enforce the Constitution and other pertinent laws of the USA.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 14, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    @ Joe Blow. You completely missed the point! Its not about people controlling themselves, its about people who we allow to control US! Its not about policing ourselves, its about who we allow to police US (IRS) and how we allow that to be done! Too many people are content to sit back and be controlled, bought off with a freebie and vote for those who promise anything free. Its like a piece of "free" cheese on a mouse trap. "Are you that kind of person?" Too many are.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    May 14, 2013 5:53 a.m.

    Imagine the left if the IRS had targeted progressives, move on, unions or any other liberal cause! Can you hear the howls?

    This is blatantly WRONG and people should lose their jobs and possibly go to jail.

    Will you be willing to say "It's not a problem."

    Nope. Makes no diff if they target the right or the left. It is wrong.

    You will always find people who will stick up for the left no matter how egregious the situation.

    And, you will always find people who will defend the right no matter what.

    We cannot control what other people do. We can only police ourselves.

    The question to ask yourself is "Am I that kind of person?"

    Too many are.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    May 14, 2013 5:52 a.m.

    Both the IRS and the FBI have been used for political causes. Hillary and Bill did so and so is Obama.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    This morning I heard President Obama say that the IRS should be politically neutral. How is that possible when the Commissioner of the IRS is selected by a partisan President and confirmed by partisan congress? Is there really any non-partisan power capable of investigating and reforming the IRS?

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    May 13, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    0bama told the graduates to ignore people who say the government can't be trusted! Did he know what was coming?
    And for all dems who will make comments supporting this, just think if a repub gets to be Pres next time and they do the same thing? Will you be willing to say "It's not a problem."
    NO, this is big government and it's getting really worrisome!

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    How much more proof is needed before the slumbering public awakens to the realization that the left-wing administration is determined to destroy all organized groups which dare to oppose the conversion of America into a welfare state? Those who were wise knew that this would happen. Hopefully, the ignorant masses will awaken before the next election.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 13, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    Big government out of control! Imagine the left if the IRS had targeted progressives, move on, unions or any other liberal cause! Can you hear the howls?