Inspired question, 'Book of Mormon' musical leads to former California mayor's conversion

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  • rick122948 boise, id
    Aug. 1, 2015 12:21 p.m.

    @ Donn
    you speak of getting drunk at communion. The small amount of wine consumed in communion or in the sacrament would not intoxicate a child. The use of wine was in ancient time was not prohibited in scripture and because of the lack of refrigeration would make grape juice unsuitable for storage.

    how man comes to the lord has never been the issue only that he comes. the fields are white and ready to harvest, and the spirit of the lord will guide those who have eyes to see and ears to hear to the lord. Those of us who have already been blessed to find our way need to stand as witnesses to those who seek.

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 12:21 a.m.

    As I was reading this I could not but think back many years ago as a young missionary sister how much I loved my mission. I was able to find a family like he described here as the father came up to me and my capanion came up to us and asked about the book we were holding in our hands. We started to tell him about it and he told us that he had seen someone holding it just the other day on the bus they were riding. He felt the spirit touch his heart and wanted to know more about the Book of Mormon. So we went and taught his family the next day and three weeks later they became Members of the Church. Love to read things like this.

  • ThinksIThink SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    People that have downloaded and read The First Book of Napoleon have also reported some conversion stories. Exciting times.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 25, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Maybe we should have missionaries actually distribute copies of the real Book of Mormon outside the play.

  • YouKnowImAChristianRight Holladay, UT
    May 24, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    Mormons believe in grace after all you can do. You accept His grace after you have done all ordinances, temple work, going on a mission, marrying in the temple. My God doesn't not require my works. Using the term "Christian" is more recent in the Mormon church. 30 years ago when Mormon friends asked what religion I was I'd say "Christian." To this they replied, "what is that?" Mormons have tried in the past to push away from mainstream Christianity and now as their church is suffering in decreasing members they want to align themselves with Christians, yet they have very different beliefs. Mormons believe God is made of flesh, Christians don't. Mormons believe Christ and Satan are brothers, Christians do not. Mormons believe Christ atoned for our sin in the garden, Christians believe it happened on the cross. So again I will have to say you are a Mormon and I am a Christian. I am always confused when Mormons say they are Christian yet they won't worship Christ in Christian church and stay away from Christian bookstores & literature. Why is that?

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    May 17, 2013 12:59 p.m.


    From BOM

    “ Behold, here are the waters of Mormon and now, as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another's burdens, that they may be light;
    Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life
    If this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?
    And now when the people had heard these words, they clapped their hands for joy, and exclaimed: This is the desire of our hearts.”

    The name recalls a sacred event

  • schmed Frisco, tx
    May 17, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    To another fellow convert, tears !

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 17, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Christianity has obviously never been one great big happy family.

  • FractalTheorem West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    My testimony starts with my belief in Christ. I know He lives, and I know that through His grace I can be saved. This is the all-encompassing whole of my testimony. I also know, from my own spiritual experiences, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is His restored church. I know this BECAUSE I know that the Book of Mormon is true. The promise is there - ask, and ye shall receive. This is important, because I know where to go to get the required ordinances. I can say, "I am a Christian", and I can also say, "I am a Mormon." I believe in Christ. He is my Savior. I accept His atoning sacrifice and His grace on my behalf. Thus I am a Christian. I am a member of His church. Thus I am a Mormon also. I find no incongruity between the terms. If one proclaims, "I am a Mormon", they really are proclaiming, "I am a Christian, and a member of His church."

  • YouKnowImAChristianRight Holladay, UT
    May 16, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    This story is about a man who converted to something by believing a church is true and book is true and then calls himself a Mormon. So different to when a person who converts to becoming a Bible believing Christian. A person coming to the saving knowledge of Christ admits they are a sinner, repents and then accepts Christ death on the cross (not in the Garden as Mormons believe) for their salvation. No where did I see in this man's conversion to Mormonism, that's probably why Mormons call themselves Mormons and are not Christians. Mormons testimony is always, "I know the church is true, I know the BOM is true, I believe Joseph is a prophet". As a Christian I, "confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 10:9-10. That's why I can say, "I am a Christian." and why Mormons say, "You know I'm a Mormon right."

  • Bakerman Loveland, AL
    May 16, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Regarding the wine/grape juice debate- I'm not too worried about what Jesus drank. In the law of Moses, pork was forbidden. Later that ceased to be the case, due at least in part, I believe, to the revelation Peter received shortly before the baptism of Cornelius (Acts 10:11-17). It is evident to me that God can change His health code to fit the needs of his children at a given time. Durning Jesus' time, maybe alcohol wasn't so bad. Maybe it was safer than other things, given that alcohol kills bacteria. There weren't cars back then, so drunk driving wasn't a problem like it is today, and maybe that had something to do with the change. Maybe Pork wasn't safe before because people didn't know about trichinosis and such, and it was less likely that pork would be cooked thoroughly enough. Or maybe there's some other reason I don't know about. The point is, there is biblical precedent for God changing what is and is not forbidden food-wise in the past. So I am grateful for modern revelation to tell me God's will now.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    RE: zoar63, the LDS Sacrament, partaking of water instead of wine would represent the blood of Christ. else the saints couldn't have gotten*drunk on it during communion (1Co 11:21).

    (D&C 17:22-23),“It is expedient that the church meet together often to partake of the bread and the wine in rememberance of the Lord Jesus ,and the Elder or priest shall administer it…” The wine . “Wine for the sacrament should be *unfermented, pure and preferably of your own make.( see D&C 26:1; 86:1).
    The D&C references are found in the concordance of the JST(inspired version) removed from current D&C editions today.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    or else the saints couldn't have gotten drunk on it during communion (1Co 11:21).

    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.(Mt 15:9)"

    Blood has two components red cells composing the cellular, and plasma the liquid portion made up of plasma proteins and water. If you were to separate whole blood into its components you would have a watery pale yellow liquid on top and a clump of red cells at the bottom. So in the LDS Sacrament, partaking of water instead of wine would represent the blood of Christ.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 15, 2013 3:07 p.m.


    "....Why this woman felt she needed to let this man know she was "a Mormon" is kind of strange. Why the need to advertise?...."

    Mormon belief holds that theirs is the one church God himself authorized. Being a ‘chosen’ people is not exactly unprecedented in history. But a divinely authorized sect persuaded of its divine destiny in an era when Christian denominationalism has been waning unavoidably grates against the larger Christian world.

    Mormons, of course, don’t see themselves the way others see them. Who does?

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    May 15, 2013 1:47 p.m.


    My mistake. I should have said ''D&C 89 specifically lists that 'strong drinks' are not to be consumed" instead of alcohol. Of course, modern LDS ecclesiastical leaders have specifically stated what the term 'strong drinks' entails.

  • YouKnowImAChristianRight Holladay, UT
    May 15, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    This about a man who converted to a church, said a church is true and believes the Book of Mormon to be true.
    Why this woman felt she needed to let this man know she was "a Mormon" is kind of strange. Why the need to advertise?
    Four points about Christians: 1.)They come to God without a cleaned up act, they come as sinners and admit and confess they are sinners. 2.) They accept Christ as their Redeemer who suffered and died on the cross for their sins (Christ didn't atone for our sins in the Garden). 3.) They believe CHRIST is truth. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6. 4.)This person then calls themselves a CHRISTIAN.
    So did this man convert to a CHURCH or to CHRIST? I never saw that stated although I know many will say infer that. But every conversion or testimony I hear from a Mormon is that they converted by "knowing the BOM was true" or that "I know the church is true." Christ is always missing in those testimonies.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    May 14, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    History has shown that the louder and longer the ridicule or persecution in a given area, the faster the Church grows in that area. This play is being performed all across the US so the work is progressing all across the US.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    May 14, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Kudos to Brother Marcus for seeking and following the truth, and especially to the woman who had the courage to open her mouth to a friend about what she believed.

    I would love to hear him speak about his conversion. Great story. Thanks for sharing it. And shame on those who use the comments section as their hobby horse for tangential and irrelevant stuff.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    "D&C 89 specifically lists that alcohol is not to be consumed."


    5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
    6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
    7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

    it does still prescribe wine for the Sacrament. It wasn't until a long time after 1833 that it was totally forbidden.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    There are similar stories out of NYC after the musical open there. From personal experience, much anti-Mormon literature sparks an interest to find out what all the shouting is about.

  • sg newhall, CA
    May 14, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Stories like these reconfirms my testimony of the Gospel and that this is the Lord's church. Tears formed in my eyes as I read this article and could commiserate with what he experienced.

  • Just an Observer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Because of the way the Word of Wisdom came about, and because the Lord mentions, "In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days," I think there is a good chance that the proscription of alcohol will be lifted when the time comes that there are no longer "conspiring men" around. And I, for one, would welcome the permission to enjoy a little wine with a good meal. But whether or not that ever becomes the case, I frankly look at this as another indication of the validity of the LDS Church; the claim is that the church is based on modern revelation, appropriate for our time, and I certainly think this is appropriate for our time.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    May 14, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Yes, we may likely be the only group in history that has this particular stance on alcohol under direction of a prophet, but I believe it is inspired for our day -- not as a temporal law for our "good health" but as a means to develop spiritual strength and in being a light or example to others. (Matt. 5)

    I love the conversion story.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    May 14, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    I for one never vilified this musical. I never watched and and probably won't in the future. I knew any attention to the LDS Church would be good because the truth and happiness of the Gospel will touch the hearts of those looking for it.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    May 14, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    Ah, the alcoholic beverage debate. Let's just get a few things straight. Anciently, there does not appear to be any mandate to abstain from the consumption of alcohol in the LDS Canon. Jesus, does in fact, appear to drink wine, as do other Biblical and Book of Mormon characters. Modernly, on the other hand, it is a completely different story. D&C 89 specifically lists that alcohol is not to be consumed. Originally, as has been pointed out, this was merely treated as a recommendation, a 'word of wisdom' to live by. Currently, however, LDS ecclesiastical leaders have clearly stated that sobriety is not only wise council, it is a REQUIREMENT to be in good standing in the eyes of The Church. If you don't believe in The D&C or in modern LDS leadership, that's fine. You can believe in whatever you want to believe in. But drinking alcohol is most definitely inconsistent with current, modern LDS doctrine, however much it may have been acceptable in the past. And some LDS, if not many, will struggle with that. I certainly did for awhile. Thank God, I no longer do.

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    May 13, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    My friend and I were brought into the Church through anti-Mormon literature that piqued our interest to know more. We've both been happily married for decades - each with 7 healthy children.

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    May 13, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    donn, you can make the scriptures appear to support just about cause you want them to, and you could still be wrong, but then I think you already know that. Its a good thing to have some inspired guidance. Read 2Ne.9:28-29

  • donn layton, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    RE: Rational. Wine was used by Noah, Gen 9:20,21. Melchizedek, Gen 14:18. Isaac Gen 27:25. John 2:1-11, Jesus turns water into wine not wine into water, And see Mt 11:19 (wine bibber/drinker). Mogen David is popular for the Jewish Passover in modern times.

    The wine that was used in the New Testament by our Lord and the early disciples was alcoholic or else the saints couldn't have gotten drunk on it during communion (1Co 11:21).

    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.(Mt 15:9)

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    May 13, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    "In the scriptures it talks a lot about new wine(commonly referred to our day as grape juice)"

    Do you sincerely believe that during Biblical times that they drank grape juice instead of wine? Well, if that makes you sleep better.

    Wine and beer have historically been safer to store than water. Water, left for a while will become unsafe to drink. Beer and wine came about in part for those reasons.

    The additional "characteristics" were a bonus....

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:38 p.m.


    "It is possible to drink in moderation and never violate the teachings of Scripture."

    I'll bet it is possible to cross the freeway on foot, too, Donn, but it isn't a safe bet.

  • teleste Austin, TX
    May 13, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    For wjutjck,

    Biblical wine was fermented and it was alcoholic. For you to call it just "grape juice" is either a misunderstanding or disingenuous. Even BYU publications confirm this fact. (See "Wine at Masada and in the New Testament" among many others.) Yes, Jesus drank alcoholic wine.

    Also, in the Book of Mormon it is clear that the Nephites had wine.

    The Word of Wisdom as you and I know it wasn't revealed until after the Restoration and even then wasn't enforced as a measure of worthiness until the beginning of the 20th Century.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    May 13, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    First that other story, now this…Parker and Stone's efforts are seriously backfiring, it would seem. And I couldn't be happier about it. >:)

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    great story! Good man.

  • wjutjck Taylorsville, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    For Donn,

    In the scriptures it talks a lot about new wine(commonly referred to our day as grape juice). Grape Juice(unfermented) has the good nutrients our bodies can use to help us be more healthy.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 13, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    I’ve heard unusual conversion stories from many different faiths and while The Book of Mormon musical may seem like an unlikely instrument of conversion, don’t scoff. It’s convenient to dismiss it by saying you can talk yourself into believing just about anything you want to believe. But the conversion experience is often very real and lifechanging as it is inexplicable to those who have it.

    "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." (Jesus to Nicodemus, John 3:8)

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    May 13, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    Does it matter the length of his hair, or the color of his tie, or the status of his life? What matters is that he has decided to make a change, to follow a beautiful intention of his heart, and to make his life a bit better than it was before.
    For all purposes...he, like others who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is a missionary.
    I'm sure the creators were not thinking "conversion to 'Mormonism'" when they created this play. Interesting how good can come out of something like that.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 13, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    I understand how you might feel this is all great and wonderful but it kind of feels like reading the name of a lottery winner in the news. No one considers the names of everyone who didn't win, or buy in as is the case here. Miracles do happen, but no less so when the powerball kicks in.

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    May 13, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Well written story, Emmilie. Thank you for sharing it.

    I am grateful for the transformation we call conversion.

  • Gracie Boise, ID
    May 13, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    To JoeBlow: No, unless he was going to become a missionary.

  • Big Bubba Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    A very nice story. The Lord is calling in the elect in preparation for the second coming. Those who humble themselves and sincerely ask will learn of its truth through the power of the Spirit.

  • Mormon Wookiee Riverton, UT
    May 13, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    What a great story. Touched my heart today. Thanks!

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    May 13, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    I would not go to the musical, but for those who have not discovered the LDS church, it seems as though in many cases, that negative is turning into a positive. The Lord is so able to sift through and find those who are seeking. What a wonderful man and he is really serving with his heart, mind and soul. Congrats to him.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    I love these stories about people who have been converted as a result of the musical. Missionary work definately comes in different, and even unintended, forms!!

  • Julie R. Kearns, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    A wonderful and beautiful account. Thank you very much for sharing!

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    I'm not at all surprised by the stories coming out about converts from the Book of Mormon Musical. It's just like the Godmakers. It will bring a lot of people to the truth although that was not the intention of the writers and producers. I have no doubt we will start to hear stories flooding in about more conversions from those who get their curiosity peaked and are lead to the truth.

  • MrsH Altamont, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Brother Gorbett also has my admiration. What a missionary he was!

  • caf Bountiful, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    This story reminds me of my own mother's. She saw the anti-Mormon film, 'The God Makers'. It gave her a MUCH bigger desire to learn more. As a result, she married a member of the 'Mormon' church and has raised all her children as members of the church. Four of her children served missions and four of her grandchildren have served or are serving missions for the church.

  • dogchow1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    A wonderful account that touched my heart. Thank you.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    May 13, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Miracles are still happening and lives are being touched and change for the better. Though many will still scoff and mock, the truth will continue to break forth and permeate the lives of those who are sincerely seeking for answers. Thanks for sharing this beautiful story.