As the father of a BYU coed I resent the comment from Mhilton "it's
become the Harvard of the LDS community, thus creating an elitist attitude among
those that attend there," My daughter is proud of what she has been able to
do, experience and learn at BYU, but she is also very proud of friends,
relatives and classmates at other institutions. Granted, there may be those who
take an attitude about it, but they are with us everywhere in every walk of
life. Whether it's BYU, Penn State, USC or the LDS Business School YOU
should be proud of Your daughter's accomplishments. I certainly am.
My bank is just west of the athletic center on University Ave. They have aerial
photographs of campus over four decades starting 1954. Looking at them, I am
reminded of the dictum, "Nothing is permanent except change." I doubt
that since 1920 has it gone an entire year without some construction project
there. I fully understand why they are doing it, as well. Open space
has become increasingly rare on campus. For me, driving from Grandview to the
Oak Hills, for example, will require a mild detour along Phillips Lane, but that
won't add any time to the trip. I personally have never seen a campus that
has a thoroughfare cutting through it, including UCLA and Cal Poly S.L.O, also
Stanford and Berkeley. In graduate school at UCLA - wow, if you
think student parking is tough at BYU, check that place out - I took the bus
everyday for four years. From the drop-off getting to campus required a bunch of
stairs up the side of a steep hill. A bus-stop on 900 North will be a piece of
cake in comparison. The kids will bear up to it.
The problem with visitor parking isn't necessarily that there isn't
enough it's that students lie and park in the existing spaces. That's
not true of all students but enough do it so it chokes the smaller number of
spaces.Parking is certainly a problem at BYU, but campus expansion
will do that. Losing the large Y lot to build the Art Museum was only part of
it, but that enhanced the feel and function of campus. I'm glad they used
the new build Smith Family Living Center to add a ton of underground spaces,
hopefully they keep that trend going as they build more buildings.@Strider, great idea to have a bus turnaround location, it would encourage
more mass transit use if it's easier than trekking out to 9th East (which I
HATED to get to my ROTC courses...)@TooSmartForYou - BYU's
campus is mostly flat, the only real hills are climbing up from the valley
floor. BYU was always destined to be up on Temple Hill. The U on the other
hand is terrible.
I agree that visitor, and student, parking are serious issues. I am BYU
'68 so that will indicate my age and I agree that pedestrian friendly is
not necessarily old guy friendly. Hopefully someone will address that concern
in all the planning that is going on. I do like the idea of closing campus
drive to unite the campus. I do have a bone to pick with UTA. If
there is a turn around at the Wilkinson Center, why can't UTA still bring
the buses up there to pick up people? Will there be a sheltered waiting area
way out on 900 East? Also as the Wilkinson Center is supposed to be the center
of campus activity (for some it's the center of their world - but I
digress), why should students and others have to schlepp all the way across the
parking lot, in winter for example, to wait in the cold for a bus when there is
a sheltered waiting area at the Wilkinson Center.Some one should
"plan" a solution for that one.
I find it interesting that "eastcoastcoug" and others emphasize the need
for visitor parking more than other types. When I attended BYU, it was fairly
easy to get a parking space, unless you were a student. That always puzzled me.
If you were paying tuition and were the purpose of the university's
existence, you couldn't park, but if you were someone from outside you got
"Cities in Europe closed streets through their main shopping areas decades
ago and made them pedestrian streets. It's better that way once you get out
of your car."That assumes you have normal health and can
actually walk. When I was a student I officiated men's intramurals for a
part-time job and worked 20 basketball games a week. (There wasn't an
ounce of fat on my body then!) Some years later when my somewhat younger wife
graduated I was pushing a stroller around campus. Let me tell you, for a
stroller, wheelchair or crutches this campus is less than ideal. The same is
true for University of Utah and Weber State University. For some reason, the
institutions of higher learning were all built into a hillside and little
thought was given to anyone that can't walk a marathon every day. Maybe
that's even a subtle factor as to why the faculty get preferred parking
spaces. So if you can walk, fine. But don't turn this country
into Europe just because they like to walk everywhere. Not all people are in
their 20's and super healthy.
I will miss Campus Drive, it was super convenient picking people up at the Wilk.
I also used the bridge a lot.
eastcoastcoug! I TOTALLY agree about increased parking, especially visitor
parking, at BYU. I keep saying that when I get my billions I will donate it to
BYU specifically for a parking structure for BYU visitors! I, too,
am not so sure about this change, but then I again, why do I care? My daughter
won't ever be able to go there because it's become the Harvard of the
LDS community, thus creating an elitist attitude among those that attend there.
I'm just resentful because my tithing dollars go to supporting that school,
yet the ONLY benefit I now receive from there is top athletic teams.
Projects of this sort have been done already at many universities across the
country. Cities in Europe closed streets through their main shopping areas
decades ago and made them pedestrian streets. It's better that way once you
get out of your car. There's no reason BYU has to maintain a through street
for cars getting from one end of Provo to another. What they do need is more
parking for visitors. I have to say I'm impressed by the work
done the past decade or so to improve the campus and build new structures. An
In my experience at BYU a lot of people used the bridge or the crosswalk just
south of it. I didn't see very many people crossing in the middle of the
street, but when I did there was no traffic. I think the changes
will be great for pedestrians. I'm a little worried about how the traffic
will get rerouted. The roads around campus are already cramped and overcrowded;
I can't imagine this will help.
I loved that bridge. I also recognize good things can come from change so will
be interesting to see how this goes. But this so called roundabout doesn't
really fit the traditional roundabout. It will become more of a drop off circle
for the Wilkinson Center.
This seems to be a solution for the inattention of today's modern youth and
their electronic gadgets.In the old days, we'd simply stop,
look both ways and cross the road. No problem.Will we be closing
major streets in cities for the same reason?
This project is a bad idea.
I remember when they built the brige and there was a labor dispute of sorts,
closing the road due to the shoring being in place to build the bridge, and the
delay lasted a couple of months, adding to the total time the road was closed to
build the structure.A few years afterwards I occasionally glanced at
the bridge at random times and I never remember seeing anyone actually use it.
What I do remember is watching students cross the street without expanding the
energy or effort to go ascend up one end of the bridge and descend down the
other, thus crossing the busy street below safely. Instead they crossed under
the bridge in a location of heavy traffic. I suppose they saved a minute in