Local Scouting leaders urged to 'vote their conscience' on policy regarding gays

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  • George New York, NY
    May 10, 2013 3:35 p.m.


    You don’t seem to understand people get to use Christianity as bases for their arguments but you are not allowed to challenge those arguments or you are discriminating. Don’t feel bad I made the same mistake.

  • Latuva Spanish Fork , UT
    May 9, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    Billions of us have unending combination of issues. They influence how we see life, each other, and self. Each have tendencies, predispositions, penchants, affinities, leanings, bents, traits, habits, orientations, and propensities. Some DNA drive, some environmentally or socially nurtured, others are personal choice. Some violent; some innocuous. Some acceptable; some not. Some are criminal.

    All personal conditions lead desires to act. Some just live with them, deal with, and learn to control. Some struggle with them for a lifetime; some we outlive. When we "get over" one we find we have another, and have to go through the 'control process' all over again. Care is needed when creating ‘rights’ for inclinations.

    'Moral' compasses provide the framework in which we establish local, state, national, and global laws. These 'traditions' orient our individual and group perspectives, and provided the framework for establishing Scouting, and the original Scout Oath and Law, especially to its mission and charter.

    The potential expanded 'inclusion' is useful. It reflects old guidance to the developing and explorative nature of boys and young men (from my 1960 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook (p 425)). Scouting has always been about “the boy,” not the adult.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    May 9, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @lost in DC --

    "you complain about discrimination, then make disparaging comments about Christians and conservatives every day."

    Disagreement is not at all the same thing as discrimination.

    You have every right to disagree with homosexuals.

    You have NO right to discriminate against them.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    you complain about discrimination, then make disparaging comments about Christians and conservatives every day. I guess it's OK when you discriminate, but Eros and Bacchus forbid anyone should say anything with which you disagree.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:48 a.m.


    Discriminate against someone, you have no conscience. I agree.

    Don't discriminate against someone's actions, you have no conscience as well.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    If your conscience tells you to discriminate against someone, you have no conscience.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    you will not see people in DC voting their conscience - you have to have one to vote it, and they checked theirs at the door when they were elected.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    It might actually be refreshing to see people vote their conscience for a change. That would be nice to see just once or twice in Washington, DC, too. But alas, I expect too much.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    You know, there are actually two other Councils in the State besides the GSLC....and the Utah National Parks Council is bigger in almost every-way....check with out Council sometimes- we have opinions also!

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:01 p.m.


    I agree this does not seem to impact the LDS Church very much (right now at least). But whether the church 'sticks' to the BSA or not wasn't really said.

    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the LDS Church announced a radical change, a Y.M. program to replace scouts, or no changes at all. When it comes to what the LDS Church will do tomorrow or next year, until I hear the announcement for myself I usually feel it's best not to speculate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't like people getting the wrong idea and with an issue like this one, that tends to be very prone to happen.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    I don't see a problem. BSA's new policy really had no effect on support from the LDS church and the church indicated that they are sticking with BSA. Had the church dropped BSA they still would have had the exact same issues on dealing with homosexual youth who want to attend young men's activities so nothing really changes for the church with regards to scouting.