Biden urges faith leaders to make gun control a moral issue

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  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    May 10, 2013 2:54 a.m.

    We have the right to chose. Both good and bad. When government starts to infringe on this right, government starts to assume that it knows better then our creator who recongized that choice includes accountability. Today, many pushing for gun control are really pushing to force people make only right choices. Unfortunately, we know that isn't possible. Yes laws are necessary, but should be kept to a minimum. Guns can also support good i.e. defend life and property and provide the means to acquire food.

    While you may argue that assault weapons are only designed to kill people, they also can be used to defend life, liberty, and property. Also many of the current proposals would make most semi-automatic rifles illegal such as semi-automatic hunting rifles, shotguns, and rimfire rifles. The only guns that would fully meet some proposals are single shot rifles and shotguns. While some of us might hunt with a single shot, they are woefully inadequate for defending life, liberty, and property.

    What is next after the banning of guns? Banning of knives? Talking with co-workers in Denmark, knives over 6 inches are not allowed outside of a home.

    Lets get real.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    May 9, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    Now, who is speaking morals?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    "Even Harry Reid voted NO on the gun ban bill in the senate because Harry knows the people of Nevada will throw him and his socialist buddies out the door during the next election if there is any hint of gun banning from the federal govt."

    Harry Reid voted no because as majority leader there's a procedural rule that requires the majority leader to vote no if he is to bring the bill up for another vote later. He doesn't actually oppose it.

    "and the undercover cameras at planned parenthood"

    You mean edited videotapes of planned parenthood workers trying to pry information from the people by pretending to go along with it so that they could call the authorities and let them know about it?

    "Only an evil government would disarm its citizens."

    Only an ignorant public would think expanding background checks = disarmament.

    @everyone harping about abortion
    The lowest abortion rates in the world are in Belgium. If you really wanted to reduce abortions you'd support some of the things that lead Belgium to that status like making birth control available to everyone (prevent unwanted pregnancies and you prevent elective abortions).

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    @ jsf, I have never said the Church should bnot involve itself into local issue. Never. I don't know what you are talking about except it must be a standard right wing reactionary, knee-jerk talking ponit you raise. All the right wingers here, and no level headed thinking.... Where is the rational thinking? And since when did guns become more important than Christ's teachings?

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    Used to be a fan of Mr. Biden in the 1990's; now his law degree comes before his faith; his home state of Delaware now has gay marriage and he is silent on that moral issue: Bible more important than the Constitution, following the prophets Peter and Paul--- trumps the need to be equal in all things. And I've never owned a gun.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    It wasn't just a gun, it was a shotgun he wanted people to use.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 8, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Wasn't it Biden, telling someone, to shoot a gun and scare a burglar?

    An unarmed public is dangerous. A reason why no foreign country has entered, and attacked us is because we're armed.

    Seems our leaders wants us weak, unarmed, and broke.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    like a typical liberal - if the argument works for us, we'll use it - if it works for you, it's not valid or welcome.

  • UtahVET1 Sandy, Utah
    May 8, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    The American people need to get nuts like Biden, Pelosi, Obama, and all the other nuts out of office. They don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. They don’t know the first thing about morals as they have none.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    "please, don't drag abortion into this. Churches can take a position on more than one issue." But apparently only if you sign off on the issue. You tell us constantly, the LDS church needs to butt out of local issues, and now you want them to butt in for your issue. You tell us the individuals in the church are always following the church because they go against your desires, now you want them to control the individuals for your issue.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 8, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Biden is right. Churches should come out on the irrational gun obsession this country has, including the LDS Church. And please, don't drag abortion into this. Churches can take a position on more than one issue.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    I thought faith leaders were suppose to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not political views. What happened to churches loosing their IRS tax exempt status if they push political views? I know my church seems to be very concerned, and a letter is read every election cycle, that church assets are not to be used for political purposes.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Mr. VP,
    Please find another problem on which to comment. Your absence of tact and credibility diminishes the issue and tempts people to take an opposite position.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    I love the comments on Deseret News! It is always entertaining.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    May 8, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Hey, Vice President Biden, let me tell you something:

    I agree with you. Gun control IS a moral issue.

    I have a MORAL responsibility to protect my family from foolish people. Foolish and misguided people like you, your boss and the political party that supports you two. So, NO, you cannot have my guns.

    Gee, that was easy....

    (and on another note, based on the vote at the Democrat Party's 2012 national convention, Democrats don't believe in God (go on YouTube and see for yourself) yet NOW they appeal to preachers and ministers to achieve their goal of gun control? Why am I not surprised?....)

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    In 2004 Michele Obama penned a letter for her husbands campaign supporting partial birth abortion. She said it was constitutionally allowable. A process which kills a living breathing child. The pioneer of this method of killing children actually admits this process is not performed when the mother is at risk, and is performed on health children. Barack voted to allow this method. I don't think the NAZIS had any worse method of killing people. Old Man not close to the church's position.

    Four cities in the US with the tightest gun control laws and regulations push the US to the high end of gun homicides in the world. Remove their statistics from the total US and the US drops to the low end of the list. Gun homicides even with these numbers has decreased by 39% since 1993. Given these facts, gun control equals gun homicide increases in a country that has no moral repugnance to the murder of millions of children. Have you heard any liberal speak out about the vile acts of Gosnell?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Absolutely Joe! Thank you for reminding all of us that there is a connection between this right and God! It is a moral issue, one that is unalienable, constitutional, and totally connected to my religious faith! God bless America and God bless my 2nd amendment right! Perhaps there is hope for our progressive friends who see Government as more moral and more powerful than God!

  • Jefferson Kalispell, MT
    May 8, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    In response to One Old Man: The official Democrat Stance on Abortion: Strongly and unequivocally support Roe v. Wade. (Sep 2012) Invest in stem cell and other medical research. (Nov 2006) Pursue embryonic stem cell research. (Jul 2004) Support right to choose even if mother cannot pay. (Jul 2004) Choice is a fundamental, constitutional right. (Aug 2000)

    Average of over 2 million "legal" and reported abortions performed in the US every year for the past 20(+) years. 11,000 gun homicides in the US last year, down 39% over the past 20 years (article in today's Deseret News.)

    We can impmrove in both areas, but don't try equating the LDS Church stand on abortion with the Democrat Party. Biden hasn't figured out that we don't "make" moreal issues.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Real moral issues are what he has kept his conscience from for the past 60 years. He doesn't believe in self-protection as he has the secret service and government employees protecting him. He has a life that people coming from nations that have tyranny as the general rule that has imbedded in their DNA from survival of the fittest. When they go to sleep at night they have one eye open and ears peeled just in case they are going to be abducted. Even the early settlers had that in our country. Survival is what it is about. The Constitution of the United States of America had people with those skills and honing in their documents they gave us. It may have been hard for some but the British would have had a hay-day in rural America without people on the frontier living life with their rifle. They didn't have cell phones or telegraph at the time and their method of protection was the rifle, knife and even a stick to beat off their offender. There were no hard-hats or safety toed shoes, only old Betsey by their side and a lot were one shot.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    "And by the way, compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church. They really are quite similar in their allowance of abortions when necessary"

    They are rather similar on paper, but they are practically very different. Read Elder Nelson's talk about abortion from a few years ago (2008, I think) in the Ensign. Here's the truth about abortion that democrats seem to want to deny:

    Only about 1-3% of all abortions done are for the necessary reasons (incest, rape, or life risk of mother or child) the democrats and LDS Church states. Even then, the LDS Church says that in those cases is when you should consider abortion, not when abortion is the answer.

    Let's get somebody else to look up and answer the next question:

    How many people die by gun violence in the U.S. every year and how many unborn children are killed in abortion in the U.S. every year?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    Re: ". . . compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church."

    Democrat Party -- ". . . strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay."

    LDS Church -- "Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church."

    Yeah, those two statements sound about the same -- NOT.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Joe Biden is not being truthful! Obamas and Bidens own Justice Dept reported in a Jan 4. summary of research on gun policies that the effectiveness of Universal checks depends on requiring gun registration. On Feb. 13 Rep. Barbara Lee D CA. and Jim Moran D VA. introduced H.R. 661 which would repeal the requirement that NICS records be destroyed within 24 hours. Other attacks on legal protections for gun owners was in that bill. In 1995 Sen. Feinstein said: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them. Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in - I would have done it. I could not do that the votes werent here. When Biden or any other Liberal promises anything be very afraid. Beware!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 8, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    Let's tackle both guns and abortion. Both need some very serious changes to tighten them up.

    And by the way, compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church. They really are quite similar in their allowance of abortions when necessary -- and restriction of those that are not than conservative scare mongers would have us believe.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 8, 2013 6:45 a.m.

    Biden was given this task because Obama knew it would fail. If it looks like another Waterloo, Joe Biden is sent out to manage the campaign.
    At this point the democrats want to keep it alive to energize the progressives and keep them warm for the midterms.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 8, 2013 1:22 a.m.

    Re: ". . . 90% of American voters favor extended background checks . . . ."

    No, they don't.

    That's just another liberal big lie they hope people will come to believe if they bleat it loud enough and long enough.

    It won't work. And, discredited liberal people-control measures won't pass because real people don't support them.

    We oppose them.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 7, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    Gun control is a moral issue.

    Only an evil government would disarm its citizens.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 7, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    The demos. told us that they needed more gun control to "help the kids"; yet they don't seem to show much outrage at the tens of thousands of abortions performed each year, which, as far as I can see run counter to their claim to "help the kids".

    What am I missing in their logic?

    Due to the "gosnell" trial and the undercover cameras at planned parenthood, and the resulting SILENCE from the demos on those issues, I'm afraid their latest gun control proposal under the guise of "protecting the innocent" fall on deaf ears.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    May 7, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    I cannot for the life of me believe the extent to which people who profess belief in religion can at the same time condone the fact that anyone can purchase assault rifles, which have not purpose whatsoever except to kill people, and do so without even a criminal and mental health background check! Incredible!

    This, despite the fact that 90% of American voters favor extended background checks for purchase of such weapons.

    Where in the world did we lose the idea that lawmakers should represent the people, not special interest groups?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    May 7, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    Manners, confidence and trust. This administration is lacking in.

  • J Thomas Sandy, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    Interesting! Separation of Church and State, except when the government wants help on issues it decides are moral issues. Typical Joe Bieden.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    May 7, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    I have to stop laughing. Biden urges churches to make gun control a moral issue. I thought there was supposed to be separation of church and state, so that the state doesn't overstep their boundaries into the churches' belief systems.
    That part IS a moral issue. Government should NOT have churches make this their fight.

  • floridian navarre, fl
    May 7, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    So, this Administration believes that gun control is a 'moral issue' but abortion, same-sex marriage, DOMA, the morning after pill, and the like, are not to be judged morally. How mixed up is our Vice President and President?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    I'm certain all religious leaders in the country are taking careful note of 'Joker' Joe Biden and his gun ban propaganda. NOT! Holy smokes - these people just don't quit do they. The view from the left is that people are inherently stupid and if you throw enough propaganda out there over time some of it will stick. Even Harry Reid voted NO on the gun ban bill in the senate because Harry knows the people of Nevada will throw him and his socialist buddies out the door during the next election if there is any hint of gun banning from the federal govt.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    Interesting coming from a man who believes morally life starts at conception(yes that is HIS position) and yet supports abortion

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    Sure thing Joe, whatever you say..... Right after Abortion!