Sen. Mike Lee wants Senate to review abortion policies

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  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    May 8, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Hey, another politician trying to make government bigger. Senator Lee... you can't have it both ways! You call for smaller government, yet propose an oversite situation that will add to the government's involvement. I did not realize Senator Lee was a 'closet' democrat.

    May 8, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    @banderson - you don't understand the abortion supporters. Getting an abortion is not equivalent to spilling popcorn, because spilling popcorn is universally recognized as a mistake that should naturally cause some embarrassment, however minor. The only mistake in the process of abortion, to those who support it, is that the couple failed to use protection prior to conception, and that's not deserving of embarrassment either, because surely they were prevented from knowing about birth control by "those who lived during biblical times." And only men who lived in biblical times, because apparently all women support abortion, according to people like HVH.

    Getting an abortion to these folks is more like choosing between buttered or unbuttered popcorn. No, because that may still involve a judgment about the healthiness of that food choice. Maybe more like choosing between red or green popcorn for a string popcorn decoration. No mistake, no judgment, no embarrassment.

    You are right, of course, that proponents of legal abortion have shamelessly trivialized the taking of innocent human life to a morally inconsequential health care choice.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    If one doesn't believe in God, then abortion has no bearing on scruples, principles of morality,or conscience. If one does, then abortion is an unremitting and severe violation of conscience that will only find relief through God. In any case, a society, or responder here, that believes that abortion is equivalent to spilling popcorn in a theatre ought to hide their heads in shame. One day, whether you believe in God or not, every one that is pro abortion or actually aborted a living soul will answer not only to God, but to the child that was aborted.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    This is a safe choice for Lee as he has no backbone or intention of doing anything for Utah.
    But trot out the old abortion issue and those who lived during biblical times will jump to
    agree with other men who think they should decide what is best for women and their health,
    when it has already been decided.

    @I-am-i "The issue is how do we better enforce existing abortion laws."

    How is that possible when every state has different laws because some clever republican thinks HE's found some new loophole to make abortions (for all practical purposes) illegal in HIS state this year.

    Utah has spent millions of taxpayers money trying (unsuccessfully) every couple years too.

    Lee knows he will have to do nothing but interviews with right wing radio for free publicity.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    In nations where abortion is illegal, it doesn't stop abortion, it makes the Goswell type circumstances the norm and many pregnant women die from the abortion attempts. Statistically, the nation with the lowest abortion rates on Earth is Belgium which is hardly a pro-life nation. They also have low birth rates so it's not like they're just choosing life when pregnant, they're just not getting pregnant in the first place primarily due to things like easy available access to birth control regardless of income. It's not a surprise that when you reduce unplanned pregnancies you reduce abortions. If the pro-life movement really wanted to reduce abortion rates they'd advocate that kinds of step.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    May 7, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    I think it is strange that so many people are angry just because Senator Lee basically said, "we need to do an investigation and figure out what happened and how we can prevent it and interjected that he thinks we ought to do more to protect the unborn." Abortion laws probably aren't changing, that's not the issue the Senator raises. The issue is how do we better enforce existing abortion laws. I quite like Senator Lee. For the record he did not say he did not want to protect the living from violence. He simply disagreed with the approach the bill that didn't pass took to solving that problem and rightfully so. The new law wouldn't have required a background check to steal your mom's arms. Nor would it have banned pressure cookers and nails. If you're going to sale me on a tragedy at least get the simple cause and affect straight in your propaganda.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    May 7, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    The callous disregard for innocent human life if truly astounding. Many of the abortions performed very late in the third trimester by people like Gosnell are absolutely nothing short of murdering a baby. Why don't we just give any mother of a prematurely born baby the legal right to kill that child up to 9 months after conception? What's the difference between killing a baby three weeks before he's due and killing him one week after a 4-week premature birth?

    That some people would pass this kind of barbarism off as less important than rushing through judicial nominations is really a shameful holocaust mindset.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 7, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    I’m glad the senate is blocking BO’s nominees. Too bad they did not do the same with Kagen and Sotomayor.

    Old Man,
    Yep, those sentient, capable-of-acting-on-their-own guns. Need to do something about them. Maybe if we removed their brains – oh wait! They CANNOT act on their own, they are only tools.

    Why did Lincoln waste his time on slavery? The issue was decided decades before when the constitution did not prohibit it, and it was confirmed shortly before his election by the Dred Scot decision, which proved just how infallible the SCOTUS is.

    Because the rogue clinic was probably receiving federal funds. And you complain about the budget – the house has passed one each year; complain about harry reid if you want to complain about the senate being derelict so often on a budget.

    Helping the economy – repubs tried repealing job-killing Obamacare and EPA regulations
    Financial crooks – like Chris Dodd (D) and Barney Frank (D)?
    Help the poor? Making them dependent on the largess of BO and the dems does not help them

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    No fit in st. George: Should we also do away with the Sermon on the Mount because it was tried two thousand years ago and wasn't accepted then? No, let's move on to more germane and enlightened ideas.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 7, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Where is NOW, planned parenthood, etc. when this doctor had been doing these types of activities for years? People turned a blind eye to what is accepted with abortion. These NOW and planned parenthood organizations didn't want to highlight a doctor or clinics that do their dirty work for them. They push the freedom of women activities but not the consequences of what happens in those places or could happen in those places. They always highlight it is better to have an abortion in a clinic than in a back alley but they don't show the anguish of girls and women going this kind of process as some places have become.

    It sort of appears to be a manufacture line where the next person is put on a conveyor belt and pushed through the system, whether they have second thoughts or not. Once you are in the system, you have lost control. They don't think that immorality potentially brings a loss of control to their body and to the body that was conceived. Responsibility is not mentioned in this as it is on a bottle of alcoholic beverage to drink responsibly. Drinking and drugs helped bring conception.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    You can sear your conscience in regards to the evils of abortion, but whether Politically Correct or not, the tragedy, depression, and horrors, a word rightly associated with the holocaust and the abortion mills of this country, of this practice will never go away. God gave every man the light of Christ, something that will only go away when suppressed by evil men or a seared individual conscience. Thank you Senator Lee for defending those without any means to defend, including defending them from the hands of those who are symbolically, if not literally, complicit in its practice.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    May 7, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Cannot this man and other legislators like him get a grip on the assistance America is yearning for?
    Why are Mike Lee and other like individuals unwilling to work on helping the economy, unwilling to help create new jobs, unwilling to work to help others with health care, unwilling to work to try millionaire financial crooks in the courts of our land? Why is Lee unwilling to legislate for programs to find food, housing, and educational programs for the less fortunate? He and his cohorts are creating more and more problems for our country every day.
    The ultra right in Congress repeatedly return to their feelings of superiority over women in our America. Destroying the rights woman have worked for the last 100+ years appear to be their #1 issue.
    Abortion is a unpleasant fact that goes back to the dawning of man. No one will ever be able to rid the world of this.
    The Republican Party is on it's way, in a fast car, on an empty racetrack, to oblivion.
    Gets more obvious every day.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 7, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    A rogue clinic in Pennsylvania is really a state issue. Can someone tell me why Sen. "States Rights" wants to elevate this to a vast federal issue? A power grab? Can't be consistent in his principles? Too weak to really solve national issues like the budget, immigration, etc.? This guy is like all the other radical conservatives who want the federal government to back off, except on their pet issues.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    May 7, 2013 5:13 a.m.

    As soon as the egg is fertilized, the zygote has a full complement of chromosomes and is metabolizing. That is life. It is living and is a human being. Just because it is small and immature doesn't mean it is not alive. The court's decision about abortion was made decades ago but that doesn't mean it was a correct or moral decision. The biological and emotional connection between the mother and her child is a strong one. Mothers who miscarry often feel a very real sense of loss. Mothers who kill their own children before they are born have an even more sense of loss and grief and guilt and frequently need psychological help in order to cope. It's easy to understand why. If you think arbitrary abortion isn't child killing, then it's time to retake a human embryology class and snap out of your denial.

    May 7, 2013 3:41 a.m.

    The Real Maverick is absolutely correct. Abortion was decided decades ago with a 5-4 supreme court decision. Roe V. Wade was a clear cut mandate much like the Brown V. Board of Education at Topeka Kansas. Oh, wait a minute, Brown V. Board was 9-0. I guess if they were a baseball score the decision would be final. However, this is a moral, legal issue that has a larger impact on society than a baseball score. I think the Plessy V. Ferguson, 7-1 decision was also a clear cut victory that took a while to get straightened out. Thank you Justice Harlan for getting it right in 1896 with your lone dissent. Perhaps the 5-4 vote that was such a clear decision does need revisited more often. The lives of innocent, human beings in their early development may not matter to The Real Maverick, but, it does matter to them!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 6, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    Why are we wasting time on this? Abortion was decided decades ago. Why doesn't lee turn his focus onto something that matters... Like the economy, health care, immigration, national security, etc. you know, topics that actually matter?

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    May 6, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    One old man: "Now if he would only ask the Senate to take another look at the other killer of so many Americans -- guns."

    So you think that guns just up and kill people?
    How about cars - they just drive by themselves and kill many, many more?
    How about alcohol - the drunks aren't to blame when they hit and kill?

    I blame Hollywood and violent games for desensitizing our youth and especially our young men for causing the problem.

    All my grandchildren in Utah know how to handle and shoot a gun. They were taught by their parents. They know they are lethal and understand how to use it and store it. (Other grandchildren in eastern states can't.)

    Thank goodness for caring parents who teach their children the truth about what is going on in this country to disarm everyone! (Oh I know, you don't think so - I do!)

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 6, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    I never thought I'd actually agree with Senator Lee on anything, but here's the exception.

    Now if he would only ask the Senate to take another look at the other killer of so many Americans -- guns.

    But he voted to block any discussion of that subject. Do ya think that maybe, just maybe, if the Senate had actually taken a look at the gun issue they just might have found a good solution. I do.

    Good luck finding a solution to the abortion problem, though

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 6, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    I would recommend Senator Lee do his job and attend to confirming--not blocking--judicial nominees.

    Republican senators are quietly refusing to recommend potential judges in the first place.

    The process for moving judicial nominees is simple enough. A president takes the lead on circuit court nominees, while, per longstanding tradition, a senator kickstarts the process for district court nominees, which make up the bulk of the federal court system. Senators make recommendations from their home states, and the president works with them to get at least some of the nominees confirmed.

    Republicans have been blocking Obama's nominees after they've cleared the Senate Judiciary Committee with broad support, making them wait an average of 116 days for a confirmation vote. That's three times longer than the average wait for President George W. Bush's nominees.

  • George New York, NY
    May 6, 2013 8:21 p.m.


    Actually sceince makes no claims as to when life begins it is a purely philosophical/theological l debate.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    May 6, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    Man purchases gun, shoots and kills innocent people - Senate to review public policies that they say led to the the purchasing of that gun and the death of those people.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    May 6, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    From a scientific, biological perspective, abortion is taking a human life at any stage of development. Arbitrarily killing a child before it is born is still murder even if some people try to make excuses for it. I'm glad Senator Lee has the guts to take this on.