Parenting language derails Utah County GOP immigration compromise

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  • shadow01 ,
    May 9, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Perhaps one thing that needs to be done is to change the law to not grant automatic citizenship to children of illegal parents born in the united states. That way the parents can't come into the country, have a baby, then say, "You can't send me back to where I came from, my child is an American Citizen." Of course the law would need to grandfather those who are here already and not strip them of their citizenship.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 6, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Most of the people that may come to our country are known for work ethics. That is great but so also is going by the law and order of a country that has rules and regulations on entering our country. That process has been well defined and even though it takes time and there is a process, even for work-permits, there is a process. It is a violation to cross the border illegally or overstay the visa or permit.

    This country is for people who want to get more in life than what they may get in their own country. Illegals exist in a lot of countries but the controls we have initiated decades ago are to put limitations on people who want to do bad or evil things against our citizens. The hard-working people from those same countries, should want to limit the bad people from coming to our country, also. They give them a bad reputation. Compliance with the rules and regulations is the most solid way to have the good people validated and those that are attempting to come to do bad, away from our country. Most came here to get away from the bad.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    May 6, 2013 12:49 a.m.

    Baccus0902; there had to be another reason. BYU has a very high percentage of students on visas from all over the world.

    Beverly; Last week the news articles claimed that Romney lost because white America had a low turnout, and Blacks turned out in record numbers.

    There is no reason not to enforce the laws of the land and require people to come here legally. Allowing this to go on will slowly destroy this country, so much dishonesty from people here illegally, and those that hire them or turn their head, pretending not to see. Parents have a responsibility to raise their children as good citizens. And the children have the responsibility to make things right at 18.

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    May 5, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    The very act that of coming to America illegally is what creates the problem of families being separated and any parent who comes here illegally is being an irresponsible parent. Just like a parent who commits a crime and is then sent to jail for it, that breaks up their family is being irresponsible.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    May 5, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    Delegates were lobbied hard with the notion that political correctness was more important than common sense so on a 166-179 vote they said parents who came illegally to the US did not set a poor example to their children. So is adultery ok? is disobeying traffic rules ok?are we therefore able to pick and choose which laws we wish to obey? The SLC and the other Chamber of Commeerces in my opinion do not represent the view of the majority of people in the state of Utah, they are opportunist who want cheap labor and then leave the costs of education,medical,housing for the federal and state government.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    May 5, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    It is pretty simple, Romney lost because Obama got more votes. The rapidly growing Hispanic community voted, and they didn't vote Republican. Which group of voters do you think we, as Republicans, can turn our backs on?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    May 5, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    you wrote:
    " Obama was able to get .... give them more "free" things. However, I think that is a perception, not necessarily reality, but they (hispanics)believed it,"

    I am a Hispanic man. Never applied or received any help from welfare. I have worked 2 and 3 jobs in order to obtain certain things I wanted to achieve at that time. Curiosly, nothing material but experience.

    We Hispanics are known for that. Working hard, I'm sure if you want to give me a break I'll take it...just like you!

    Utahns think differently,I came many years ago to study in Tulane University in New Orleans, LA. legally with a student visa,as a good mormon (at the time) my ideal was to attend BYU live in Zion and a LDS education . BYU told me in no uncertain terms that if I wanted to study in BYU, I needed to go back to Chile and come back. After Tulane, I switched to a college in Washington DC, without the need to spend in an airline ticket that would have costed me a school semester.

    I was a legal foreign student and yet BYU put unnecessary demands.

  • sg newhall, CA
    May 5, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Keep families together? Easy. Deport them all, including the kids and parents and grandparents, aunts, uncles etc. There should be no anchor babies. Deny all these illegals everything they believe they deserve. Deny them the right to a driver license, health care, education, welfare, food stamps, housing and jobs. They'll go home in droves; and if not, then once caught, hard labor for 5 years. Let these 12-20 million illegals fixe our highways and freeways. Never mind they are the only ones who will pick the fruit and vegetables (that is such an old excuse to let them come here). How many now cut lawns, construction, fast food diners? Too many. Seal, not secure our borders for no less than 5 years. Illegals continue to financially strap this country. Enough.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    May 5, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    "Remember, as Republicans, we lost the election because we were not inclusive."

    Sorry Beverly but the evidence points more to millions sitting on their hands and not voting because they didn't like the republican choice, than it does to us not being "inclusive" enough. There is little to no evidence pointing to the fact that if we bent over backwards and gave full amnesty to all illegals that it would've changed the election one bit. Those that live off of welfare aren't going to suddenty give it up just because a bunch of Republicans try to spread the message that "we like you now!"

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Has anyone tried to prevent families from returning to Mexico together as a law abiding family would do?

    Didn't think so.

    Sorry, no tears from me.

    Obey the law

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 5, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    I don't agree with either "Beverly" or "Esquire".

    As I read national publications, I see nothing but derision from BOTH Dems. and Repubs. over the latest amnesty proposals. Sure, there are some Dems. on board with amnesty, just as there are some Repubs., but I feel most Americans think basically the same way these commenters feel. That is: just ENFORCE the law!

    I don't feel as "Beverly" does regarding why Mitt Romney lost the election. I think he lost the election because, among other things, Obama was able to get hispanics to believe that he would give them more "free" things. However, I think that is a perception, not necessarily reality, but they (hispanics)believed it, so thats all that matters.

    Republicans never have carried the hispanic vote, but one thing is certain, if the immigration bill does pass with Republican support, you will see MASS numbers of Republicans defect to (some) third party.

    I think Rubio's heart is in the right place, but I think there will be LESS enforcement if the bill passes, not more.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    May 5, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Wow. A statement saying parents should obey the law is controversial? Parents make excuses for their children's criminal behavior and now some are making excuses for parents criminal behavior.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    May 5, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Fear creates anger and consistent, misplaced, anger over immigration has placed Utah on the margins of American society. Remember, as Republicans, we lost the election because we were not inclusive. The hateful rhetoric, in most of these comments, demonstrates a clear lack of compassion and borders on racism. If we, as republicans, don't start demonstrating a sincere commitment to the Hispanic community, we will not see a bright political future for our party. If you have a green light in a crosswalk, and a bus driver doesn't see the green light, you will be lawfully right, but lawfully dead right.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 5, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    The thing is, none of this matters except as a local controversy for local consumption. It will have virtually no effect on the issue as it's addressed at the national level. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    May 5, 2013 3:10 a.m.

    You can't compare a one time speeding ticket with illegal immigration, identity theft, Social security fraud and perjury.

    Government and churches have told Americans to be responsible for their children and set a good example for decades. Why is it different for non-Americans?

    The double set of standards and justifications, along with ignoring id theft, fraud and perjury are getting old. We don't need reform, we need a wave of honesty, starting with the Chamber of commerce groups across the state. It's time for honest businessmen to start their own commerce groups, and pull away from those that paint them falsely.

  • FrankSegesman ,
    May 5, 2013 3:02 a.m.

    I agree. "Keep Families Together!" Send the kids back to Mexico with the parents.

    May 5, 2013 12:20 a.m.

    Many people have broken laws in this country, including citizens. Why just amnesty for those who come here illegally. Why is separating their families worse, we do it all the time in our courts.

    I think the majority of us know that it's the cheap surplus labor, and has nothing to do with family or compassion. Obama has given waivers to spouses and children. Yet they still use the excuse to justify giving everyone amnesty.

    Keeping families together was used to justify the 1986 amnesty. Yet the pro-illegal folks kept encouraging more people to come here illegally, potentially separating families.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    May 4, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    "If you are going to have a line for people to come to this county you can't reward those that bypass the line."

    That's not the way it works in the good ole US of A. Our politicians will do anything including sell the country short to get a vote. That's what's happening as we speak. Why do you suppose Obama has offered amnesty to millions? He wants the Hispanic vote in 2014 so the Democrats can control both houses of Congress. With that kind of control he can put the finishing touches on the ruination of our beloved country.

    @DN Subscriber 2:
    "No amnesty, period, ever."

    Sorry, but you're too late. Obama has already issued amnesty to millions for two years. After the two year period he will extend it another two. Then, when Hilary gets in the White House it will be extended for possibly 8 more years. In any event, we have been told that it's too much of a burden and too costly to round up the millions of illegals and send them home. That's called amnesty.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    re: Convention system: One of the principles of those wanting to gut the neighborhood election caucus meeting and convention system we have in Utah, was this: " A system that provides inherent advantages to those who are incumbent, wealthy or famous is not acceptable."

    The problem is their proposals would do exactly that.

    The Caucus System in Utah is the best way to make sure grass roots movements can work over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone with $100,000 can go against someone with $2,000,000 in election funds.

    There were about 120,000 republicans in Utah that went to the neighborhood caucus elections in 2012 to elect the 4000 State Delegates. Add to those numbers the democrats and the primary elections. Certainly the municipal elections didn't do any better in voter representation.

    Bypassing the Caucus / Convention System will NOT create more participation. There are 4000 state delegates that spend countless hours vetting candidates to be on the ballot. They are selected by those that attend the neighborhood election caucus meeting. You just have to attend.

    The current system does not protect the incumbent, wealthy or famous. I think that is a good thing.

  • Mr. Bean Pheonix, AZ
    May 4, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    The way to 'keep families together' is to encourage deported parents to take their families with them. Think of it as moving overseas on extended vacations.

  • Sego Lilly Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    doing what's best for the children??? No what they are teaching their children is that it is okay to break the law.

    No one is forcing them to leave their children here when they get caught. Their children are free to go with them to their native country.

    Why should someone who is married to a U.S. citizen who is here legally have to paid over $400 yearly in order to stay here and his/her visa up-to-date but a person who climbed in through the rear window or back door gets to stay here and it doesn't cost them a penny.

    I agree with DN Scriber 2 - Illegals are free to to the their native lands and return legally. But they should also have to speak enough english to get a job dealing with the public.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    May 4, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    We have laws and enforce them, or we have no laws which is anarchy.

    Which laws shall we ALL be free to ignore? Taxes, traffic, theft, adultery, immigration, voting or what?

    If is is decided that we have a bad law, repeal it or fix it, don't just ignore the violations.

    Legal immigrants are welcome, and even the illegals and their advocates know that.

    Illegals are free to go to their native lands and return legally. It may be harder, and take longer than some quickie amnesty deal, but they can take pride in becoming U.S. citizens the right way.

    No amnesty, period, ever.

    Or, have amnesty and anarchy will come from it.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 4, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    We should do everything we possibly can to help illegal immigrants achieve the American Dream. They have been down trodden and oppressed their entire lives. Employers should not be required to use e-verify. Employers should be required to pay illegal immigrants #2 per hour more than the average salary of those who are here legally.

    (Extract tongue from cheek)

    We should make the above law. No employer would employ them and they would all have to go home.

    Problem solved with a very compassionate policy.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    If you are going to have a line for people to come to this county you can't reward those that bypass the line. They are still people, but shouldn't be put in front of those that have been following the rules.

    None of the 4 main Utah immigration bills signed in 2011 followed the 1st principle of the Utah Compact.

    Contrary to Mr. Shurtleff's public comments, it wasn't a key in what was passed. The legislature in 2011 received hundreds of emails saying to vote for something that followed the Utah Compact, apparently encouraged by both the Salt Lake Chamber and also the Sutherland Institute.

    Since there were no bills that followed the first principle of the Utah Compact, nor could there be at a state level, It only made me wish the document was never created.

    The local Catholic Bishop didn't come to the signing of the 4 immigration bills in 2011 because, as he stated, they didn't follow the Utah Compact.