to I know it. I Live it. I Love it (5/3)..."I would let God
speak for Himself."So, no need for missionary work, then?re: A Scientist (5/4)...Agreed. When it comes to
this article 3 words come to mind; Render God Caesar.
To Vanka, "Anyone whose religion IS their life ... .... is living a
narrow and impoverished life." Not sure how you can say that,
everyone's religion is their life even if their religion is bigotry,
agnostic, atheist, or if their god is money, or whatever. It is what shapes
them. Your comment makes me wonder if your religion is ignorance, because it
implies that only those who are atheists can lead a full life while those who
believe in God the Father and Jesus Christ, or Mohammed, or Buddha, etc. cannot
be happy and lead a full life. IMHO.
Anyone whose religion IS their life......is living a narrow and
impoverished life, IMHO.
Religion poisons everything.Keep it out of the workplace.
@ I know it I live it I love itThanks for your clarification and I agree
RG,Neither. I was trying to paint a picture that I felt was
comparable to prohibiting someone from talking about religion.All of
those things can easily be combined with religion.Temple MarriageFamily Home EveningBlessingsPriesthood/Releif Society
activitiesService ProjectsScriptures, Ensign, Talks, books, more
books, etc.Quotes from talksI was trying to say...-1- If I wanted to talk about my life, religion is required conversation. I
read scriptures, talks, etc. I almost never read novel. Everything that I have
to offer is because of my faith.-2- It is just as disheartening to say
"don't talk about your faith" as it is to say "don't talk
about your children or family". Why? Because they are really the same
thing.In showing how inclusive they are I wanted to illustrate how
negative and demotivating it is to require someone to exclude religion from your
discussions. Upon self examination, if I exclude my faith I exclude my entire
life. I have nothing left. The doctrines of my faith ARE family, ARE serving
others, etc. How can one separate what they live from what they believe?I cannot manage it.
Many years ago I worked for a company that would not allow me to come into work
late on Sundays for church. But yet a supervisor of a different religion than my
own was allowed to come into work 2 or more hours late on Sunday and Thursday
nights because he had church meetings. Now I let bosses know up
front I do not work Sundays but I am more than willing to work on Saturdays. Yes
I have been denied jobs because I won't work on Sunday but even if I
wasn't religious getting to work on Sunday is a serious problem when you
rely on UTA for transportation.
Just respect others and you will be a much more respected person. Jesus was a gentleman to the lost, lonely and sick. He called the strident
religious hypocrits what they were to their faces. Mohammed's bio is
sketchy at best, but look at his legacy today.We've all had
that polite knock on our door from some missionary group. So a bunch of us
California evangelicals decided to share our message with whoever was interested
in Utah.... The neighborhoods were not so nice and receptive as we thought
they'd be. All bristley and abrupt... We realized that some denominations
want all the courtesy shown to them, but have difficulty reciprocating.Lesson learned. Workplace or front porch, you still need to be respectful
when folks say No Thanks. And vice-versa.
@ "I know it I live it I love it": Did you mean to say you are allowed
(rather than prohibited) to discuss things on that list? Your comment would make
more sense to me if that were the case.@ Hutterite: I would like to
know why you often seem to be antireligious and/or antiLDS. Your comment today
(and comments on other days also) make me picture you as somewhat grumpy, with a
chip on your shoulder, but if you are a truly a friendly, happy person I'd
rather picture you that way.@ Moderators: I hope you don't
consider the above a personal attack. Not meant to be. Trying to understand
where someone is coming from.
Y_is_for_Yale,I would let God speak for Himself.The
rock,I agree. In my experience, those those who say "no
religious discussions" readily accept "anti-religious discussions".
Their bias is open, transparent, and will condemn any credibility they try to
hold onto.I believe that a free people tolerates diverse opinions.
If they don't want my opinion, they can do without. But I certainly have
the right to express myself. Being at work didn't take away my other
rights.If someone told me "We're here to work" and to
keep my mouth shut, I'd do what I learned long ago in childhood. I would
talk to someone else.
Upon your employment, you are prohibited from discussing:Your
marriage/relationshipYour childrenThings that make you happyFriendshipsYour hobbiesBooks you've readQuotes you
likeThese things may all easily be combined with religion.Example:A quote hung at someone's desk..."As
we look into the future, we are going to need to be stronger and more
responsible for our choices in a world where people 'call evil good, and
good evil.' We do not choose wisely if we use our agency in opposition to
God’s will or to priesthood counsel. Tomorrow’s blessings and
opportunities depend on the choices we make today."This
motivates me to be a productive worker. If I had an office with this quote, a
picture of the Savior, the temple, my family, and even a Christus statue... I
would need no other decoration. I would be happy. I would be pleased and
motivated and in high spirit each day to be surrounded by the things that
motivate me most.There is no wrong in these things. The only wrong
is someone taking them down in offense. Employers should encourage, not
God won't save an ailing company anymore than Barack Obama will. In both
cases, keep religion and politics out of the workplace. The private sector
needs less intrusion (not more).
I enjoy learning about the religions of those I work with. I just enjoy people.
It is not possible to separate a person from religion. My religion defines a
great deal of who I am.People who tell others to "Keep it to
yourself" come across as anti religious and anti God.Sure, smart
employers will make reasonable religious accommodations. We should expect
certain limits. Also, some employers may object to granting accommodations to
some religions. I would personally have difficulty doing so with the religion
that Michael Medved calls "The Church of Perpetual Outrage."Not all cultures or religions are created equal.
Keep it to yourself. We're here to work; what you do on your own time is