Congrats to Star. He's a great player and well deserving.
@Skip-a-RockGive us all a break on your tough schedule. If U actually
played Oregon and Stanford the last two years maybe, but as it stands not so
much. Utah avg opponent BCS ranking 47.63, BYU 55.16 (not a big difference).
BYU- 5 top 25 opponents, one which they beat, Utah- 3 top 25 opponents, none
which they beat. Yes BYU had outliers like Idaho, NMSU, and Hawaii...all three
of which they torched. Utah's biggest outlier beat them in 2011 and got
nipped by a game saving kick off return in 2012, despite having a 1-11 record
with losses to powerhouses CSU and Sacremento State. Your schedule is not as
superior as U want people to think, and until U actually beat a PAC 12 team with
a winning record, no one cares.
Wow, I thought this was a story about Utah star Star Lotulelei (congrats to
Star), not a forum for BYU fans to try to prove, despite their teams poor record
against the Utes that they are somehow better. Even in BYU fan's attempt
to put lipstick on a pig, Utah's dominance over BYU's football team
recently and overall is irrefutable. The only thing that matters between the
two teams is scoreboard of the last game (Utah) and head to head (Utah
overwhelming dominance: and it's just getting worse for BYU). Also,
comparing what Utah has done in the PAC-12 vs. BYU's WAC heavy schedule is
as apples to oranges as it gets. And Skywalker, since you bring up selective
statistics about bowl games, I'll play along; let's talk overall bowl
winning percentages (you know when BYU may actually have to play a non-WACish
team): Utah 13-4 (.765 ) 2 BCS Bowl Wins *Tied for the second
most consecutive bowl wins by an NCAA teamBYU 13-17-1 (.435) Losing
overall record *Never sniffed a BCS bowl. Game, Set, Match.
nosaerfoeciovehtCurrent bowl streakBYU - 8Utah - 0Number of Top 25 TeamsBronco - 5Kyle - 3BYU has
NOTHING to be embarrassed about. Disappointed in a 7-turnover meltdown that gave
Utah a big win, yes, but embarrassed, hardly. 13 of the last 16 BYU-Utah games
have been decided by 7 points or less in the final minutes or in overtime.
Despite the constant spin from the kids on the hill, that completely refutes any
notion of head-to-head dominance. Better luck in winning more close ones, maybe,
but dominance, not even close.
@17-14 citing another schools accomplishment cuz yours can't get the job
done..Yes, those losses were tough. The only thing more embarrassing
would be realizing the same school you're making fun of for losing on
national tv, beat your team 54-10 on national tv. At home.LOL!
A few words for you nosy...USU, Colorado, Boise, ND, TCUand five more...... big embarrassing losses on tv
@mussing up reality"BYU has had a better record than Utah in 5
out of 8 seasons during the Bronco / Kyle era"Yeah, Kyle has
been playing full seasons of big boy football lately. You can't ever beat
us head to head, but you do seem to do better against Idaho Community Dental
College than we have against USC. Congrats?
fuddThe series rivalry is MEANINGLESS on a national scale. As Snack
PAC has already posted, BYU DWARFS Utah by every meaningful measurement on a
national scale:National ChampionshipsBYU 1 > Utah 0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1 > Utah 0AP Top 25
FinishesBYU 17 > Utah 5National College Football Hall of
Fame PlayersBYU 6 > Utah 0National Individual AwardsBYU 15 > Utah 0ALL of those achievements are based on season
and career accomplishments.Your leather helmet era achievements
would be legitimate IF U had any on a national scale; unfortunately for U, the
ONLY thing U accomplished during the leather helmet era was being slightly
better than your extremely mediocre opponents.btw, BYA lead Utah 3-2
during the 1890's, despite Utah's bogus try to even THAT series, by
claiming a win during a spring scrimmage.
@ phoenix"Since 1972, BYU is 26-15 versus Utah, and 13 of the
last 16 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes of
the game or in overtime"Really? Why trace your stats back to
1972? Why not go back to 2002 or 1998 (BCS era) or back to the beginning of
college football for both instate teams 1896 or 1921? Oh that's right!
Because that would put BYU on the losing end of the rivalry series! I guess Utah
historically OWNS BYU just like in recent years. BYU just can't seem to
beat the Utes anymore. Too bad! The "leather helmet era"
records are just as legit as today's records. If you want to deny losing to
Utah because it's the "leather helmet era". Then you'll have
to deny all those National Championships Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Alabama, ect
have won in the "leather helmet era". Utah has OWNED the cougs then as
they do today!
@ mussingaround"BYU has had a better record than Utah in 5 of
the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era"Is that all you got? So
according to BYU logic: the better team is the team with a better season record
and NOT the head to head games (in which Utah owns the cougs btw)? If we go by
that logic then since the beginning of college football Utah's had more
better season records then the Cougs. You can't even win with your own
logic. But let's make this simple and say Utah is the better team because
they win on the field against the kittens down south.THAT's
what scoreboard is all about!
U 90"BYU is owned by Utah in the short term and the long term in
football..."Since 1972, BYU is 26-15 versus Utah, and 13 of the
last 16 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes of
the game or in overtime.Despite your frantic and emotional spin,
that's hardly "being owned" short or long term.btw,
before you break out your really long term time machine to cite your leather
helmet era period of "domination", just remember, Utah did absolutely
NOTHING on a national scale prior to BYU and Utah joining the WAC in 1962.
U 90Utah has simply gotten lucky two of the last three years.Your turn:Please explain why such a "stellar"
football program as Utah is so inept at finishing in the Top 25?BYU
has almost as many Top 25 finishes in the last 7 years, as Utah has in their
entire history.Of course, that's what you'd expect when
you're comparing a national brand, legacy program with a
johnny-come-lately, flash-in-the-pan program.
SnackPack from Olympus Cove (not Salt Lake City), does that cut & past you
throw out there every other day change the fact that BYU is owned by Utah in the
short term and the long term in football? Canadian Cougar, what?
Your first post is about Ziggy getting drafted ahead of Star. The second post
is about BYU having an honor code. So what? Just be happy for the two players
instead of spewing disconnected thoughts. Gone Fishin, you do
realize this is a Utah article, not BYU, right?
nosaerfoecioveht"How about on the scoreboard?"BYU has had a better record than Utah in 5 of the 8 seasons during the
Bronco/Kyle era.THAT's what scoreboard is all about!Utah fans like to pretend that ONE game during a 12 game season proves which
team is better. According to that misguided theory, a 1-11 team would be
considered better than an 11-1 team if the 1-11 team won the head-to-head. Of
course, NOBODY actually believes that, although our friends on the hill like to
pretend that they do when it comes to comparing BYU and Utah.
"Because we have certain academic, legal, and character standards which U
don't have to worry about."Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha! That was a good one!!Go Utes!!
@U 90Because we have certain academic, legal, and character
standards which U don't have to worry about.
Good luck Star.......we know you played for Utah, but your heart will always be
a cougar fan! After all, you did sign up to play at BYU not Utah.....Lets just
call it a case of academics!
@Snack"Sorry to burst you delusional crimson bubble, but Utah
has NEVER dominated BYU in football on a national scale."How
about on the scoreboard? LOL keep trying to spin 8 of the last 11!Let us know when you get to a BCS bowl..
Let's see: 45 comments on the BYU article and 24 for the Utah article. BYU
45 - Utah 24. That seems like a good number to pick in the next football game
in the fall.
U 90"Does it somehow erase Utah's dominance over BYU in
football (current and all-time dominance)."Sorry to burst you
delusional crimson bubble, but Utah has NEVER dominated BYU in football on a
national scale.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5National College Football Hall of Fame
PlayersBYU 6Utah 0National Individual AwardsBYU
Chris - please move on from your poking at the southies on this story. This is
a story about a great man who will be a star in the NFL (both in name and in
accomplishment), let's stick to that PLEASE!! As far as you trollers are
concerned, go over to the stories about Ansah and be proud of what he has
accomplished. These are two great stories and should not be clouded by the feud
- that can be exploited on many other fronts. Go Utes!! Go Star!!
poyman,What exactly are you proving with that post? Does it somehow
erase Utah's dominance over BYU in football (current and all-time
dominance). I think not.
Haha at all of the stupid posts... Congratulations Star! You are
such a great guy and you have made Ute Nation proud! Go join the
other 20+ Utes in the NFL and continue the great tradition that they have begun!
Good luck Star, you will be missed!
I watched the draft last night and cheered enthusisatically for Ziggy. Then,
when others in the room wanted to watch something else, I convinced them to
toggle back and forth to watch for Star. When he was chosen, also in the first
round, a whole room full of Cougars cheered just as loudly! Go Star! Go Ziggy!
Great night for Utah Schools and two talented and good young men!
2013 NFL Lottery...Round 1:#5 Detroit Lions DE E. Ansah
BYU#14 Carolina Panthers DT S. Lotulelei UtahNuff Said.
CanadianCougar,Please explain why your national brand, legacy,
school has such a difficult time beating a "bad" team like Utah?
Congratulations to Star and his family. The Carolinas are a beautiful place to
live and Star is the perfect addition to the Utah legacy with the Panthers.
It's completely understandable why Star is so excited with his draft pick.
It is a privilege that you will represent the Utah program as you find your
place among the NFL elite. Congratulations again, Star!
Good luck Star and congratulations.Class guy.
@Who Am I Sir?He was drafted into the NFL based on his NFL potential
yes, but to take someone who knows NOTHING about football and get him to be
taken as a top 5 pick in the draft does take a lot of work spent developing.
Bronco isn't the only one to credit as KVN probably spent just as much time
with him since he was his roommate. On another note, i am surprised U have such
a bad team with ALL 20 DRAFT PICKS KYLE WHITTINGHAM HAS."THE
FUTURE OF FOOTBALL IN THE STATE OF UTAH IS BYU."
@Star BrightPerfect comment...enough said. Too much trash talk and
not enough support for both of these fine young athletes. They're both very
talented. Good luck to both of you.
Can't we just be happy and proud they both came from Utah Universities? Do wse have to be snarky when this is a happy day for both of them and
they both deserve it?Congrats to both of you! I hope you stay safe! Unlike some of you I cheer for both schools unless they play each other,
then I bleed blue! I'm happy and excited for both of them and
will follow both of their careers.
Congratulations to Star. Gook luck in the NFL.
Who am IYour jealous spin is laughable; show me one single mention
of any "development" attributable to Star's time at Utah.
whoami"I did not see one pre-draft comment about Ziggy's
development"Who are you kidding? Development is implied by the
fact that Bronco and BYU took a kid that didn't even know how to don a pair
of shoulder pads, and developed him into a starter on the 3rd ranked defense in
the country.It's laughable the frantic and emotional denials
Utah fans have to put themselves through to avoid recognizing any accomplishment
by their big brothers.
Sorry folks; my little sister is so completely obsessed with all things BYU,
that she hardly had room in her post to mention Star, who, btw, originally
signed with BYU.
@canadiancougar624Is "developed" the same as
"potential". I did not see one pre-draft comment about Ziggy's
development; however, incredible praise for his potential, his arm span, his
physical prowess. At this time Detroit drafted him on his potential and their
ability to develop his play.
Congrats to Star. More Utes will be in the NFL with Pac 12 recruitment and
development. Bright future ahead for Utah.
Sad spin, Chris B. Keep wishing.
@Chris BAs a recruit I'd be pretty happy having little talent
and being developed into a top 5 draft. Bronco may not have RECRUITED Ziggy but
he DEVELOPED him. The only selling point U have is that U have another 2 months
to prepare to the draft with no postseason.
Congrats to Star, Ziggy and all the draftees. Wishing all of them safety and
success in their careers.Can't wait to hear what spin Chris B.
puts on this one.
Should help shore up a porous defense. He plays a lot like Ngata. Not a lot of
flash, but is stout in the middle. With the weight loss, he should be a force in
the middle for Carolina.
Number of players Whittinham has RECRUITED and developed to the point of being
DRAFTED?20Number of players Bronco has RECRUITED and
developed to the point of being DRAFTED?zero.none.nadazilch.not one.I wonder if future
recruits want a coach who has RECRUITED and developed 20 guys that got drafted,
or zero?Which coach is better at identifying and developint
talent?Well, is 20 or 0 better?I say 20.Well
The Panthers now have a Ute to STAR on defense to compliment their Ute star
Congrats Star!Best of luck going forward.
I expect Carolina to be very happy with Star! Good luck Star!