I played sports and coached for a dozen years, and sports are out of control.
So a FOUR week dead time? ALL the families of ALL the kids will be EXPECTED to
take their vacations during those FOUR weeks, mind you.So much for
being a "family" oriented state.I can't think of a
single thing the UHSAA has ever gotten right. This is one more thing they are
Not only has coaching pay stagnated, most districts have cut coaches pay or
reduced amount of stipends that programs can have for assistant coaches. This
hurts the student athlete in many ways and puts pressure on coaches (and parents
and athletes as well) to do additional fund raising. Either parents
(taxpayers I guess) think these things are worthy endeavors and pay up, or maybe
it is time to consider the club route. I believe all extracurricular things
have value and like Josey Wales believe that debate, FBLA, etc. should get more
attention and press and at some schools they do, often times it is up to the
administration of the school and how they package their extracurricular
activities. Obviously, you can't legislate community or student interest
in things equally and understandably the Lone Peak patrons have gone nuts (and
probably overboard at this point) with their basketball program's
success.Also, specialization has hurt the above average athlete the
most. The exceptional athlete can usually still do 2-3 sports and dare his
coaches to cut him/her. It is the the above average athlete that feels the fear
to specialize or get blacklisted and/or left behind their peers.
The problem I see is the fact that those schools that continue to do well in a
sport like soccer are those that are feed from the club programs. This make it
almost impossible for a team without club teams to compete. Most high school
soccer players are year around players now. Why is specialization so bad?
Choosing one sport to excel in also allows more students to be involved in high
school athletics. Instead of the same 12-20 people playing all the sports, you
can have 40-60 players or more. As far as pay, try less than $1,500 after 19
seasons. I get to coach a younger club team this next year, because if I
don't I have no way to stay competitive in our region.
bryce- um, maybe read my posts again. Not sure what little box you're
talking about. I'm a sports guy, no where did I say I wasn't.
It's just that after you get some years under your belt and mature, you
understand that there is more to life in high school than sports. I agree that
athletics help many kids, my own included, but I would just like to see there be
an equal amount of recognition go to those who make a difference in other
capacities. Like I said, many of these debate kids and FBLA kids go on to much
bigger and better than the star athletes, it would be nice to see them
recognized as well that's all.
It's already chaos for parents and athletes with the 12 weeks. Don't
change it. You can wrap it any way you want, but it's a wolf in
sheep's clothing. It's still 8 less weeks. With end-of-the year
tests coming up for education, let the USHAA take a quick lesson:12-8=4 or 4=12-8 or 12=8+4 or 4+8=12It's the same thing
folks. It's not college. It's high school.
josiewales, obama10, oatmeal, Please don't lump every athletic group into
your little box. Don't hate those with talents that get attention just
because your talents don't. A good athletic program helps build ties and
pride within a school and community. It is easier to get excited about a
football, basketball, or soccer team than a debate squad. when things are
handled correctly both can be proud of what the other is doing rather than
jealous of attention another is getting. Anyone who complains about athletics
taking away from academic pursuits has either never been involved, or is too
simple minded to really understand what is going on. Sports are not evil. Get
involvled at just about any level with a positive attitude and good things will
At Wasatch High School the FBLA team gets to ride on the Fire Engine! Come and
visit Heber City and see the good recognition that non-athletic participants
receive. Advisors of these other activities are supported by the School Board
and get paid a stipend. I am not sure if it is as much as the football,
basketball, or wrestling coaches make. But, I have not heard very often in the
news about a FBLA advisor that was fired or encouraged to leave because of poor
performance of the student at state FBLA competition. Many educators give a lot
of their time and effort outside of contract time without compensation.
@OldcoachYou nailed it!
When I was coaching football, basketball, and baseball, I figured out my pay vs.
the time I spent in practices, games and travel. It came out to nine cents an
hour. Think there is a lot of money in coaching? Try it. After I more or less
left coaching, I "coached" the Sterling Scholars at my school as well
as the Academic Decathlon team and the Knowledge Master Bowl team. For all of
those activities, I received 0 remuneration. Why do it? Because I loved both
HS sports and academics. The two are not mutually exclusive. HS activities
help students achieve more and become more well-rounded. JMHO.
RD1025- Lame. My point isn't that they get the ride, it should be that they
get equal, if not better recognition. I'm a sports guy, but I also respect
others talents. I know at my alma mater, they have an award winning (something
like 11 out of the last 13 years) FBLA team. These kids go on to start and own
businesses that employ alot of these "riders" who can stay on the
engine. They got a little blurb in the paper, but the basketball team played in
the semis and you would have thought that they had won the NBA title!If being able to stay on a fire engine is the recipe for success, let me know.
I've ridden one a few times, and I'm still middle class. Maybe I
should have fallen off, I might have become a better businessman.
And uhh.... what ever happened to academics? With all due respect
for coaches, I teach AP and spend several hundred unpaid hours helping students,
reading essays, etc. each year. I don't get teh $5 an hour that they get
now.The UHSSA is a hack organization that is creating huge,
pervasive athletic programs at the cost of academic and vocational programs.
Athletics is out of control, we need to seperate academic/vocational
institutions supported by taxpayers from athletic teams.
@joseywalesThere is a reason the debate, drama, and band aren't given
a ride on the fire engine. Only athletes know how to stay on the fire engines.
Put the debate team on there and you got roadkill everywhere.
Remove sports from schools and spend the attention and money on education. Club
sports will pick up the slack and life at school will be simplified
I agree with those that say that it will reduce multisport athletes. I've
heard volleyball is already watered down in the upper divisions because of the
prevalence of too many club teams. I could see this happening to basketball as
well. Even baseball has rmsb up to the high school age, and it could expand to
include a season for that age as well. If a coach has only 4 weeks he can't
be in contact with a kid, they will want him/her for their sport only, and it
will be difficult for the kid to do another sport. It would be interesting if
Utah schools put as much into academics as they do athletics. Some schools have
award winning debate teams, drama teams, bands, etc, but very little is given to
them in the way of recognition, but a basketball team wins a title and you give
them a ride on the fire engine and the front page in the local paper.
This is a mistake! Kids, coaches, and parents put too much into
extra-curricular activities as is! Shortening the 'dead time' will
make that worse. Every school will have a new mascot for both the kids and the
coaches..."introducing Captain Burn-out!"
@obama10coaches are just doing what the parents demand.....what coach in
his right mind would want to coach 11 months of the year for a couple of
thousand dollars. like EVERYTHING else in education, its the parents who have
ruined most everything. And the funny thing is, EVERY parent never owns up to
it...."its someone else".....parents are ruining our whole educational
system, then turns around and blames coaches, teachers, and administrators for
it....then the public blames education for the "failure" of schools,
when todays kids have so much more opportunity than at any other time in
$2,500-$3,500 Wow! I am a head coach in DSD and I only get $1,700 which amounts
to less than $5 an hour not to mention the ridiculous hoops we have to jump
through just to use the money we fundraise for our program.
There is no such thing as "dead time" in high school sports anymore.
Sports have become a year round commitment and kids must choose at an early age,
which sport they want to play. No longer can they play baseball in the summer,
football in the fall, and basketball in the winter. Coaches demand that they
put their sport first and if they aren't playing with the school team, then
they are on a Comp team or AAU. They have camps, or early morning weight
lifting, and if a kid doesn't show 100% dedication to this, even during the
"off-season", then the kids are black listed. Parents and coaches, as
usual, have ruined high school and Jr. high sports, all thinking that their kid
is the next LaBron James.
@ Brave Sir RobinYou do bring up a valid point. Yes, I would vote
for that tax increase. I truly feel it is unfair to pay coaches what we do, and
yet saddle them with these types of expectations. The other alternative, take
sports out of high schools completely if you can not afford to have them. Go the
club route where it is "pay to play" for competitive sports, and let the
high schools implement an intramural program only, where everyone plays, no-one
pays, and coaches have less pressure and less expectations of their time. As for
your second point, I have to respectfully disagree. If you look at the amount of
coaching turnover in the state of UT as of late, and truly investigate the
causes of that turnover, I think you would find that parents and the community
(ie: taxpayers), have much more say in who gets to coach than you might
Whatever the UHSAA enacts it will be worthless. Coaches, parents and athletes
will find loopholes or ways around the moratorium. They have been unable to
enforce the 12 week downtime so what makes them think they will be able to
enforce a 4 week moratorium?
@Teach&CoachYou willing to vote for a tax increase to make that
happen? Remember, these coaches are paid by the taxpayers - taxpayers who have
no say in who the coach is or even if the sport should be offered by the school.
If this does happen, all school districts need to strongly consider paying
coaches more. Coaching stipends have not changed in my 15+ years of coaching.
Most varsity head coaching stipends are in the range of $2,500 - $3,500. The
stipends have remained the same, but the demands on coaches have increased
dramatically. These stipends are based on the old-school ideals of a coach only
coaching during his/her regular season. With the pressures of coaching being
what they are, from parents, administration, and community, and with coaches
being expected to operate their program 11 months out of the year (on par with
collegiate athletics), it is time to start paying them as such!One last
point - if the UHSAA does go this route, it will further push our kids into
being single sport athletes/specialization. The days of 2-3 sport athletes are
quickly disappearing. This would only add to that scenario......