UHSAA takes a step toward reducing dead time for Utah high school sports

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  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    I played sports and coached for a dozen years, and sports are out of control. So a FOUR week dead time? ALL the families of ALL the kids will be EXPECTED to take their vacations during those FOUR weeks, mind you.

    So much for being a "family" oriented state.

    I can't think of a single thing the UHSAA has ever gotten right. This is one more thing they are getting wrong.

  • Coach P Provo, UT
    April 27, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Not only has coaching pay stagnated, most districts have cut coaches pay or reduced amount of stipends that programs can have for assistant coaches. This hurts the student athlete in many ways and puts pressure on coaches (and parents and athletes as well) to do additional fund raising.

    Either parents (taxpayers I guess) think these things are worthy endeavors and pay up, or maybe it is time to consider the club route. I believe all extracurricular things have value and like Josey Wales believe that debate, FBLA, etc. should get more attention and press and at some schools they do, often times it is up to the administration of the school and how they package their extracurricular activities. Obviously, you can't legislate community or student interest in things equally and understandably the Lone Peak patrons have gone nuts (and probably overboard at this point) with their basketball program's success.

    Also, specialization has hurt the above average athlete the most. The exceptional athlete can usually still do 2-3 sports and dare his coaches to cut him/her. It is the the above average athlete that feels the fear to specialize or get blacklisted and/or left behind their peers.

  • hood par, UT
    April 27, 2013 12:18 a.m.

    The problem I see is the fact that those schools that continue to do well in a sport like soccer are those that are feed from the club programs. This make it almost impossible for a team without club teams to compete. Most high school soccer players are year around players now. Why is specialization so bad? Choosing one sport to excel in also allows more students to be involved in high school athletics. Instead of the same 12-20 people playing all the sports, you can have 40-60 players or more. As far as pay, try less than $1,500 after 19 seasons. I get to coach a younger club team this next year, because if I don't I have no way to stay competitive in our region.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    April 26, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    bryce- um, maybe read my posts again. Not sure what little box you're talking about. I'm a sports guy, no where did I say I wasn't. It's just that after you get some years under your belt and mature, you understand that there is more to life in high school than sports. I agree that athletics help many kids, my own included, but I would just like to see there be an equal amount of recognition go to those who make a difference in other capacities. Like I said, many of these debate kids and FBLA kids go on to much bigger and better than the star athletes, it would be nice to see them recognized as well that's all.

  • Just Me Richfield, UT
    April 26, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    It's already chaos for parents and athletes with the 12 weeks. Don't change it. You can wrap it any way you want, but it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's still 8 less weeks. With end-of-the year tests coming up for education, let the USHAA take a quick lesson:

    12-8=4 or 4=12-8 or 12=8+4 or 4+8=12

    It's the same thing folks. It's not college. It's high school.

  • BryceDeMann Murray, UT
    April 26, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    josiewales, obama10, oatmeal, Please don't lump every athletic group into your little box. Don't hate those with talents that get attention just because your talents don't. A good athletic program helps build ties and pride within a school and community. It is easier to get excited about a football, basketball, or soccer team than a debate squad. when things are handled correctly both can be proud of what the other is doing rather than jealous of attention another is getting. Anyone who complains about athletics taking away from academic pursuits has either never been involved, or is too simple minded to really understand what is going on. Sports are not evil. Get involvled at just about any level with a positive attitude and good things will happen.

  • NH Transplant HEBER CITY, UT
    April 25, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    At Wasatch High School the FBLA team gets to ride on the Fire Engine! Come and visit Heber City and see the good recognition that non-athletic participants receive. Advisors of these other activities are supported by the School Board and get paid a stipend. I am not sure if it is as much as the football, basketball, or wrestling coaches make. But, I have not heard very often in the news about a FBLA advisor that was fired or encouraged to leave because of poor performance of the student at state FBLA competition. Many educators give a lot of their time and effort outside of contract time without compensation.

  • CJHR Springville, UT
    April 25, 2013 8:04 p.m.


    You nailed it!

  • Oldcoach Hurricane, 00
    April 25, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    When I was coaching football, basketball, and baseball, I figured out my pay vs. the time I spent in practices, games and travel. It came out to nine cents an hour. Think there is a lot of money in coaching? Try it. After I more or less left coaching, I "coached" the Sterling Scholars at my school as well as the Academic Decathlon team and the Knowledge Master Bowl team. For all of those activities, I received 0 remuneration. Why do it? Because I loved both HS sports and academics. The two are not mutually exclusive. HS activities help students achieve more and become more well-rounded. JMHO.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    April 25, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    RD1025- Lame. My point isn't that they get the ride, it should be that they get equal, if not better recognition. I'm a sports guy, but I also respect others talents. I know at my alma mater, they have an award winning (something like 11 out of the last 13 years) FBLA team. These kids go on to start and own businesses that employ alot of these "riders" who can stay on the engine. They got a little blurb in the paper, but the basketball team played in the semis and you would have thought that they had won the NBA title!

    If being able to stay on a fire engine is the recipe for success, let me know. I've ridden one a few times, and I'm still middle class. Maybe I should have fallen off, I might have become a better businessman.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    April 25, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    And uhh.... what ever happened to academics?

    With all due respect for coaches, I teach AP and spend several hundred unpaid hours helping students, reading essays, etc. each year. I don't get teh $5 an hour that they get now.

    The UHSSA is a hack organization that is creating huge, pervasive athletic programs at the cost of academic and vocational programs. Athletics is out of control, we need to seperate academic/vocational institutions supported by taxpayers from athletic teams.

  • RD1025 Springville, UT
    April 25, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    There is a reason the debate, drama, and band aren't given a ride on the fire engine. Only athletes know how to stay on the fire engines. Put the debate team on there and you got roadkill everywhere.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 25, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Remove sports from schools and spend the attention and money on education. Club sports will pick up the slack and life at school will be simplified dramatically.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    April 25, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    I agree with those that say that it will reduce multisport athletes. I've heard volleyball is already watered down in the upper divisions because of the prevalence of too many club teams. I could see this happening to basketball as well. Even baseball has rmsb up to the high school age, and it could expand to include a season for that age as well. If a coach has only 4 weeks he can't be in contact with a kid, they will want him/her for their sport only, and it will be difficult for the kid to do another sport. It would be interesting if Utah schools put as much into academics as they do athletics. Some schools have award winning debate teams, drama teams, bands, etc, but very little is given to them in the way of recognition, but a basketball team wins a title and you give them a ride on the fire engine and the front page in the local paper.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    This is a mistake! Kids, coaches, and parents put too much into extra-curricular activities as is! Shortening the 'dead time' will make that worse. Every school will have a new mascot for both the kids and the coaches..."introducing Captain Burn-out!"

  • mightyd Hurricane, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    coaches are just doing what the parents demand.....what coach in his right mind would want to coach 11 months of the year for a couple of thousand dollars. like EVERYTHING else in education, its the parents who have ruined most everything. And the funny thing is, EVERY parent never owns up to it...."its someone else".....parents are ruining our whole educational system, then turns around and blames coaches, teachers, and administrators for it....then the public blames education for the "failure" of schools, when todays kids have so much more opportunity than at any other time in history...

  • Soccer Coach 18 Syracuse, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    $2,500-$3,500 Wow! I am a head coach in DSD and I only get $1,700 which amounts to less than $5 an hour not to mention the ridiculous hoops we have to jump through just to use the money we fundraise for our program.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    April 25, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    There is no such thing as "dead time" in high school sports anymore. Sports have become a year round commitment and kids must choose at an early age, which sport they want to play. No longer can they play baseball in the summer, football in the fall, and basketball in the winter. Coaches demand that they put their sport first and if they aren't playing with the school team, then they are on a Comp team or AAU. They have camps, or early morning weight lifting, and if a kid doesn't show 100% dedication to this, even during the "off-season", then the kids are black listed. Parents and coaches, as usual, have ruined high school and Jr. high sports, all thinking that their kid is the next LaBron James.

  • Teach&Coach SPRINGVILLE, UT
    April 25, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin

    You do bring up a valid point. Yes, I would vote for that tax increase. I truly feel it is unfair to pay coaches what we do, and yet saddle them with these types of expectations. The other alternative, take sports out of high schools completely if you can not afford to have them. Go the club route where it is "pay to play" for competitive sports, and let the high schools implement an intramural program only, where everyone plays, no-one pays, and coaches have less pressure and less expectations of their time. As for your second point, I have to respectfully disagree. If you look at the amount of coaching turnover in the state of UT as of late, and truly investigate the causes of that turnover, I think you would find that parents and the community (ie: taxpayers), have much more say in who gets to coach than you might initially expect....

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    April 25, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Whatever the UHSAA enacts it will be worthless. Coaches, parents and athletes will find loopholes or ways around the moratorium. They have been unable to enforce the 12 week downtime so what makes them think they will be able to enforce a 4 week moratorium?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 25, 2013 9:54 a.m.


    You willing to vote for a tax increase to make that happen? Remember, these coaches are paid by the taxpayers - taxpayers who have no say in who the coach is or even if the sport should be offered by the school.

  • Teach&Coach SPRINGVILLE, UT
    April 25, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    If this does happen, all school districts need to strongly consider paying coaches more. Coaching stipends have not changed in my 15+ years of coaching. Most varsity head coaching stipends are in the range of $2,500 - $3,500. The stipends have remained the same, but the demands on coaches have increased dramatically. These stipends are based on the old-school ideals of a coach only coaching during his/her regular season. With the pressures of coaching being what they are, from parents, administration, and community, and with coaches being expected to operate their program 11 months out of the year (on par with collegiate athletics), it is time to start paying them as such!
    One last point - if the UHSAA does go this route, it will further push our kids into being single sport athletes/specialization. The days of 2-3 sport athletes are quickly disappearing. This would only add to that scenario......