Dan Liljenquist: Immigrants we should not be turning away

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  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    April 27, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    So Dan, if Sophie "loves our system of government, fearlessly defends the Constitution, and has dedicated her career to protecting individual liberties and freedoms. Sophie has lived in this country legally for several years. She respects and obeys the laws of the land.", why hasn't she become an American citizen? If she knows the laws and the Constitution, she should be able to pass satisfy the requirements. Then she wouldn't need to worry about obtaining an H-1b visa.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2013 12:21 a.m.

    Facts about the h-1b visa:

    -Economics Nobel Prize winner and free market champion Milton Friedman called the h-1b visa a subsidy for corporations.

    - Duke University, Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Georgetown University and others, have shown that in some years, the number of foreign programmers and engineers imported, many with h-1b visas, outnumbered the number of jobs created by the industry.

    -In 2012, IEEE found that "only about half of those with under-graduate STEM degrees actually work in the STEM-related fields after college, and after 10 years, only some 8% still do.

    - The Department of Labor has 4 wage levels in regards to an h-1b application, with Level One representing about the 17th percentile of the wage average Americans earn. About 80 percent of h-1b visas are at the lowest level, proving that the visa is for cheap labor.

    -Studies done through 2011 by Columbia U, Duke U, Georgetown U, Harvard U, Rochester Institute of Technology, Rutgers U, Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Stanford U, UC Davis, Urban Institute, and US Dept. of Education Office of Education Research & Improvement and others have reported that the USA has been producing sufficient numbers of STEM workers.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    How about an article where hundreds of thousands of US workers spent tens of thousands of dollars and lots of sweat to obtain a STEM degree, only to be found unemployed after only 10 years after their employer laid them off then soon after hired foreign workers on the h-1b? Or how about how the greatest use of the h-1b visa is to bring in thousands of workers temporarily in order to prepare to move work offshore? Or how the large majority of foreign workers with the h-1b visa are average at best?

    I am sure Sophie is a bright person, but why isn't she complaining about the offshoring corps who use a huge chunk of the visas?

    The overwhelming use of the h-1b visa is to undercut US wages, and therefore the result is massive unemployment among US STEM workers only 35+ years old.

    Every one of these issues has been clearly documented, with many examples going back 10 or 15 years.

    Dan, we deserve an explanation for your support of this when so many US workers are clearly being hurt by it.

  • YourMom Cedar City, UT
    April 25, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Has anyone commenting on here ever been through the h1b process? The DOL tells you what the minimum pay is for the position. Why not allow whoever wants to come here to work to do so? Competition is good. The lottery process is ridiculous and inhumane

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 25, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    The problem with H-1B visas is that business misuse them,
    to replace American workers with cheaper foreign labor.

    We must be very restrictive with who can get one.

    By the way I believe Einstein immigrated legally.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    April 25, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    This is the reason that I didn't support Dan Liljenquist at the GOP Nominating Convention. There is no difference between Liljenquist and Hatch except age and experience. Both claim to want to do something to fix the high unemployment problem, while at the same time would substantially increase the number of visas for STEM and other other professional jobs.

    Not only did they support large numbers of STEM visas but they also supported allowing illegal aliens to remain in the U.S. and convert to legal status (amnesty). Both Liljenquist and Hatch seem to believe that Americans are too stupid and lazy to get the education required for STEM jobs. Neither would consider that if there was an actual supply problem that wages would increase and more Americans would get the training. They, instead, preferred to flood the labor market in order to depress wages.

    They also seem to believe that Americans are too lazy or would prefer unemployment & welfare rather than milk cows, and do manual labor. They would not consider that Americans could and would take these jobs if wages were not so depressed, in agriculture and manual labor. Maybe they are right??

  • Matno Pelham, NY
    April 25, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Old man, the Deseret News strongly supported Dan during his campaign, and for good reason. They're having him write regular articles because he's very insightful and usually hits the nail on the head. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get the word out quite enough before the primaries. There were a ton of people who voted for our current Senate dinosaur out of pure ignorance. Had they gotten to know Senator Liljenquist more thoroughly, few of them would have voted for Hatch. We can only hope Dan has his chance in the near future!

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 25, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    @ Mr Bean

    "Americans can rely on the government dole (food stamps, etc.) when needed which kills the incentive and drive to get out and beat the bushes for an income. Foreigners have no such government assistance programs so the are driven to succeed or starve."

    Your statement above is false. The United States has one of the weakest social safety nets (with the lowest spending thereon as a percentage of GDP) in the developed world. See the World Bank's website for statistics.

  • Mr. Bean Pheonix, AZ
    April 25, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    "Talented Indian researchers are moving back to India, etc."

    True. They come here for an education then go home to compete with the US. How stupid can we be?

    We need to stop all immigration and give our jobs and education opportunities to Americans. The problem is... Americans can rely on the government dole (food stamps, etc.) when needed which kills the incentive and drive to get out and beat the bushes for an income. Foreigners have no such government assistance programs so the are driven to succeed or starve.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    At a time when I hear so many complaints about our own American born intelligent people who can’t find jobs, it is hard to understand the people who want to bring such from foreign countries.

    Actually it’s not hard to understand at all. Businessmen, in their quest for greater profits, are seeking to drive down wages by flooding the market with people. It works the same way for the highly paid, well educated as for the low paid, uneducated farm workers.

    The example chosen by Dan being a business minded anti-labor person seeking employment with a “non-profit organization in Washington, D.C., that fights against compulsory unionism”, would seem to tell us that Dan may have an ulterior motive.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    April 25, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass:
    "Couples are having fewer children."

    For what it's worth, per research this does not apply to Islam adherents . Does that tell you what the future will look like?

    "The only way to keep the US vibrant and the economy churning is for there to be large numbers of immigrants."

    I don't mind large numbers of immigrants so long as (1) they don't mostly come from the same place such as Hispanic countries where they form voting blocs here to begin running our country, and (2) don't take my job.

    "Look at country with dwindling populations, who don't have immigrants coming it, those countries are struggling."

    So, you want to exacerbate their problem by encouraging their citizens leave and emigrate here, huh?

    "Immigration is a good thing for the United States."

    And a bad thing for other countries... especially when we emigrate their best and brightest.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 25, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Don't worry, Dan, at least in the health sciences, the demand for H1-B visas is probably starting to flatten out, as talented researchers find other nations' commitment to research to be more solid.

    A lot of innovation originates as government funded research projects that later become attractive to free enterprise as profitability opportunities appear. The Internet was started (in part) in Utah, at the U. The Human Genome project was not attractive to business at the beginning, because the results were unknown, and in the future.

    The sequester is already having a tangible impact on retaining high quality researchers, who are moving to Germany, Singapore and other nations that aren't politically dysfunctional, where they can focus on research on not on fighting for their share of shrinking research budgets.

    These academic researchers seed free-enterprise efforts, and the nation where the research is done has a huge advantage in stimulating bio-tech and high-tech economic activities, jobs, etc.

    Working in the field, I'm seeing far fewer candidates from China as that nation quickly builds up it's expertise, institutes, etc. Talented Indian researchers are moving back to India, etc.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 25, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Couples are having fewer children. The baby boomer generation came from large families but their kids are having 2 kids.
    The only way to keep the US vibrant and the economy churning is for there to be large numbers of immigrants. Look at country with dwindling populations, who don't have immigrants coming it, those countries are struggling.
    Immigration is a good thing for the United States. They keep the economy going.

  • Allen L Buena Vista, VA
    April 25, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    There are few immigrants that we should be "keeping out".
    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    April 25, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    I agree with old man here, dnews, are you already sponsoring Dan and preparing him for another run? I find his articles to be not very insightful or endearing at all. It's just more of the same lame Sarah Palin tea party like arguments.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 25, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    So she fights unions so she's a great immigrant. If she wanted human rights should we kick her out?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    April 25, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Will someone please explain why DN is publishing so many pieces by Dan Liljenquist? Are you helping him keep his name out in public in preparation for another run at elected office?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 25, 2013 1:47 a.m.

    I should have added, I agree the H-1b should be reserved for the best and brightest. Not for landscapers, or business who lay off older workers, who have earned higher pay over the years. Some people laid off in the IT field are copyright holders that have changed our world. Companies thank them by destroying their pensions, and bringing in semi skilled foreign workers.

    Question; why didn't she apply for a green card?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 25, 2013 1:09 a.m.

    Do a search on the H-1B visa for fraud. It's abuse is the reason for the shortage and your friend not coming here. Google, Microsoft and facebook have replaced over 15% of their entire IT workforce with cheap labor.

    There was a law firm in West Valley that was closed down because of the fraud committed to obtain H-1B visas. Most went to landscaping companies.

    Want to hear a story about my relatives that lost jobs here in Utah to H-1b visa workers?

    Government use to hide replacing American workers, now they do it openly.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 25, 2013 12:43 a.m.

    News flash to Dan:

    There is a huge glut of attorneys in the U.S. right now. The last thing we need to waste an H-B1 VISA on is another attorney. Perhaps if she were an engineer...

    U.S. college tuition has been driven up astronomically by the hundreds of thousands of foreign students we allow here. The last thing we need to do is give foreign students more incentive by eliminating VISA requirements for US graduate educated students.