amazondoc,Two more things:1) Regarding what you asked
CATS on marriage... I don't have room here, but perhaps on another article
in the future I will. I just wanted to say that there are people who have
reasons that aren't rooted in 'winning our form of marriage',
etc. You may already know that or disagree, just wanted to add that...2) In case my last comment on this article gets posted... I meant to say
"It's NOT rooted".On a BSA one I worded the "The
factor isn't against..." incorrectly. It should have read that "the
factor is with people being alone with the gender they are attracted to".My wording errors may yet cause mass mayhem and public disorientation.
I am 53, and it is sobering to me to realize that when I was born nearly every
state in the union had laws prohibiting cohabitation. The foundation for
today’s permissiveness was laid stone by stone over several decades.
Today we’re merely reaping what was sown, and sown again until what was
good is now called evil and what was evil is now called good.
@I know it --"In order to share that light with others, they
need to understand it. There are times when it's necessary to say
'I'm a Mormon. I believe this, sustain this, not that' but the
most powerful way to help others is through holding up the light for everyone to
see. I believe this way we can do more than we realize."I'm
not Mormon, but IMHO this sort of behavior is when LDS members are at their most
admirable.I lived in SLC for five years. While I lived there I could
really admire LDS members when they concentrated on leading **by example**. You
guys have some powerful family and social values, and you put a lot of energy
into turning those values into reality. If you could just
concentrate on shining that light, and forget about being judgmental of others
who are different than you, IMHO you would be doing a huge service to society as
@Cats --"Same sex so-called marriage is only one example of the
degradation of society and the attacks on marriage and the family that exist
today. Of course, a homosexual relationship will never be a marriage no matter
how many laws get passed or how much we pretend. "Quite a few
religious denominations, both Christian and non-Christian, are already happy to
perform gay church marriages. Many religious people support gay marriages. Many
gay people are religious themselves -- and quite a few serve as pastors or in
other church-related positions.None of these people believe that gay
marriage constitutes an attack on religion, marriage, *or* the family.Why would you believe that your personal views on religion, marriage, and/or
the family get to win?
To FatherOfFour:There is only one think I know we can do.I've been offended. mistreated, etc. Most of us have at some point. There
is always someone in our life who is abusing, cheating, stealing, hating, etc.
They either directly or indirectly cause suffering to us or our loved ones.
I've seen marital and family problems hurt more people than anything else.
It's a cancer.But when someone wrongs you, should you correct
them? Point it out to them? Show them their error? It may be as simple as
remembering to worry about the mote in our own eye rather than "tackle"
social issues by taking the fight to their doorstep. The more we get our own
houses in order, the more light we can hold up to show others the way.In order to share that light with others, they need to understand it. There
are times when it's necessary to say "I'm a Mormon. I believe
this, sustain this, not that" but the most powerful way to help others is
through holding up the light for everyone to see. I believe this way we can do
more than we realize.
So herein lies the question: What do we do about it? We can complain about
people not getting married, sex on TV, and those darn kids listening to that
rock and roll music. But that is it. Those who agree with the article will nod
their head and complain about loose morals and society crumbling. Those who
disagree will move on to the next article. At the end of the day, if this truly
is a problem (ie. a cancerous curse), what do we do about it?
The Eyres are absolutely right and they have the statistics to support it. Same
sex so-called marriage is only one example of the degradation of society and the
attacks on marriage and the family that exist today. Of course, a homosexual
relationship will never be a marriage no matter how many laws get passed or how
much we pretend. We can easily see that when we choose to go
against morality, we hurt ourselves. When an entire society does it, entire
civilizations will crash. We have thousands of years of experience to prove it.
Now there are statistics that prove it. Of course, when we don't want to
face the truth, we can always find a way to deny it.
@John --"its sole purpose is to facilitate sex without
traditional commitment and responsibility."That's baloney.
For instance, my own brother and his SO have been together, unmarried, for more
than 20 years now. That's a lot more commitment and responsibility than you
see from a large percentage of married people.There's a lot of
reasons why people choose to not marry -- and most of them have nothing to do
with sex."Areas with higher rates of cohabitation have
documented higher rates of crime and substance abuse."This may
or may not be true -- but even if it is true, it doesn't mean that
cohabitation *causes* that crime and abuse. Poverty and lack of education are
more likely to cause *both* cohabitation *and* crime.
This article is absolutely correct. Cohabitation is a selfish act, and it is
destroying America.Cohabitation is little more than a mechanism for
facilitating recreational sex. Indeed, its sole purpose is to facilitate sex
without traditional commitment and responsibility.Areas with higher
rates of cohabitation have documented higher rates of crime and substance abuse.
This overwhelms both law enforcement and social services. In essence, the
taxpayers are forced to finance the recreational sex of the cohabitants. This is
the very definition of selfishness.
"Because cohabitation (unmarried couples living together) is growing and
spreading at an alarming clip and replacing the healthier cells of traditional,
committed marriage. And because the statistical results of the shift are
overwhelmingly negative both for children and for couples."And
yet, people who WANT to get married aren't allowed to. How does that make
any sense??"Those of us who worry that the same-sex marriage
movement will redefine marriage ought to consider the much larger issue of
cohabitation. The 50 percent of couples who cohabit instead of marrying will
redefine marriage far more than the small percentage who would practice same-sex
marriage."Absolutely right! People should be encouraging
marriage throughout society, not obsessing over who does or does not deserve to
get married.Marriage *is* important. It has many benefits to
society, including important benefits to children. Don't shoot yourself in
the foot by fighting battles against people who *want* to get married.
I think the Eyres nailed it on this one!Maybe same sex marriage is just a
decoy to keep our attention off of the REAL thing that is redefining
marriage--and that thing is cohabitation!Thanks for getting this HUGE
issue out there!