Kennecott landslide puts 45 miners out of work

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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 25, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Esquire, Unions are only interested in their own power and keeping it by recruiting more union members. Slamming Republicans doesn't help your cause. Republicans are way more concerned with the "working man" than the Democrats ever were.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2013 11:07 a.m.


    Mining is wonderful. I hope we keep mining wherever it makes economic sense.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    I hope they shut the entire thing down. Finally we won't see the pollution and wasteful use of our water. Shut it down!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    @hemlock. Unemployment insurance exist because of unions. Don't you remember republicans calling people who got laid off moochers?

    @snark. I can't speak for every union but most "union bosses" salaries are decided by the local union members and are very modest.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 23, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    With today's economy, never assume on your income staying constant. Being debt free is a wonderful secure feeling, allowing you to bargain down on prices.

    I've driven ten year old cars, and lived in a small house for many years. Today, I have two new cars, and a very nice house which are all paid for.

  • midvale guy MIDVALE, UT
    April 23, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    Pragmatic Reader-- I completely agree, look at all the hunting equipment, guns, expensive furniture, four wheelers, boat. I have worked my whole life and I am 50 years old. I do not have a house even close to the cost of that one not to mention all of the ridiculous toys. This gentleman is only 28 years old and has squandered every cent he made without ever thinking of the future. It's not that I don't like motorcycles, four wheelers and guns, I just feel investing for my retirement and to maintain a reasonable standard of living for my wife and children is much more of a priority. He is probably also in debt up to his eyeballs. I certainly hope all of the people laid off had a different set of priorities and are able to ride this situation out. I hope this gentleman is not a representative sample. I just got done taking my family to Disneyland and it was the first trip we have taken in seven years.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    Okay, the folks at Kennecott knew that a slide was likely within a couple days. Whose idea was it to keep all the big trucks in the bottom of the big hole? Seems like they might be needed to help clean up the slide. Maybe if the trucks were accessible they could remove and process the earth from the slide and need to hire more people to do the work.

  • utah cornhusker NORFOLK, NE
    April 23, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Where I work I belong to the union but have thought of dropping it because it almosts costs 31.00. That may not seem like a lot but its based on a certain % of ones wages. Can't say they do anything for me cause it seems things they should be involved in they could care less.

  • Pragmatic Reader Provo, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Look carefully at the photos and ask yourself why someone with absolutely no rainy day fund would: own 2 seemingly brand new four wheelers, a boat and a motorcycle (at a minimum, there were likely more toys not in the shot), buy a four bedroom house for his 3 person family. I feel for the guy, but being laid off should not be a life altering event.

    Telling quote "I gotta move out of my house. I can't afford to live there anymore." News flash, your inability to afford the lifestyle you were living preceded your layoff by years. The only impact of getting laid off now is the timing and size of the bankruptcy filing.

    Unfortunately this type of financial recklessness is now the norm in our society. I'm not sure what the solution is, but we need to fix this at both the individual as well as the governmental level.

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    April 23, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    The picture is telling. The garage is full of 4-wheelers, motorcycles, and a boat. Had he saved that money for just such an occasion, I'm guessing he would not be in as difficult a situation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    "Esquire, are you saying that the landslide would have been prevented if there had been stronger union support? "

    No, Esquire is saying there might be stronger worker protections to help get them through this period of being out of work if they had a union.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Esquire needs to learn about unemployment insurance, non-union benefit. Unions skim money from working members and their most prominent achievement is providing union leaders with huge salaries.

  • Snark Provo, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Esquire, are you saying that the landslide would have been prevented if there had been stronger union support? The mine was shut down due to a landslide, not due to a lockout extending from labor disputes. I agree that companies who wrongfully exploit their employees need the balance of a union, but I have also seen a gradual decline in the advantages of modern union support. In the last four decades the unions have progressively proven that they exist for the benefit of the union rather than for the worker. They throw organized fits and bluster, (and hire people to hold meaningless signs outside businesses constructing new facilities without sufficient dues payers on the project), but rarely deliver a measurable improvement in the lives of their members. Ironically, their executives seem to always prosper!

  • Matthew Clovis, CA
    April 23, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    The threat of a union is enough. In my experience most workers who are worth anything can do much better without union thugs holding them back or threatening them for making the lazy ones look bad. Union leaders tend to be nasty, greedy, and sometimes sociopathic. They've gotten better in recent years as they've seen that the vast majority of workers don't want to pay them to talk loud, look important, and drive nicer cars than the company bosses.

    Only public sector unions (political incest that shouldn't exist) are growing. Here in California, they don't care what happens to everyone else as long as they have their benefits guaranteed for life. If everyone belonged to a union, our economy would consist of competing tribes at each others' throats over increasingly fewer resources and opportunities.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 23, 2013 5:41 a.m.

    Weedeater, most Utahns who could join a union don't. They just try to enjoy the fruits of the union for free. And then when they are layed off, they point the finger at the union for not stopping it. Then they also vote for Republicans, who are all about the company and not the employees. When will the average Utahn wake up and stop voting against their own interests?

  • weedeater Murray, UT
    April 22, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Were these union jobs? If so doesn't the union help out somehow in cases like this?