Chris B:*face palm*Is that WAC competition responsible
for your #1 overall draft pick getting benched/traded?
RE:AZUTE1Mesa, AZHere are some facts:Young was
named the Most Valuable Player of the NFL in 1992 and 1994, and the MVP of Super
Bowl XXIX. He is a member of the College Football Hall of Fame and the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. At the time of his retirement, he had the highest passer
rating among NFL quarterbacks who have thrown at least 1,500 passing attempts
(96.8), and is currently ranked third. He is also still ranked highest amongst
retired players. Young also won a record six NFL passing titles.So
you can argue that he is one of the best ever.
Why would I waste my time looking up something I don't care about. If you
wish the answer you look it up. If you are saying that super bowl
rings defines the better QB then according to you Trent Dilfer one superbowl
ring is a better QB then Dan Marino no superbowl rings.
Chris B."Again, half of his experience was against WAC
competition."Ziggy was the defensive MVP of the Senior Bowl.
Age per se is not the critical issue in professional sports. It's playing
time and injuries, not whether he's 23 or 24.
The lack of a legitimate, detailed response to my challenge above is precisely
the "answer" I expected. Speaks volumes, actually.Regarding
the poster stating Steve Young is the greatest NFL QB ever? Based upon which
criteria, precisely? The byu fans I know personally would be embarrassed to
hear one of their own make such a claim. The end-goal for any/all teams/players
is winning The Super Bowl. Nothing else is even remotely comparable and is the
true measurement of greatness. For all of his individual accomplishments, Dan
Marino would trade it all in a heartbeat to be on the following list. Not even
your hero Young made it, although he finished 1-up on Marino--Wins
PlayerTeam4Joe Montana San Francisco 49ers4Terry Bradshaw
Pittsburgh Steelers3Troy Aikman Dallas Cowboys3Tom Brady New England
Patriots2Bart Starr Green Bay Packers2Bob Griese Miami Dolphins2Roger Staubach Dallas Cowboys2Jim Plunkett Oakland/Los Angeles
Raiders2John Elway Denver Broncos2Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh
Steelers2Eli Manning New York Giants
After watching videos that highlighted Ziggy last football season, and reading a
quote from Boise State coach Peterson that his team wasn't prepared for
Ziggy when he entered the game last year to help the defense prevent a BSU TD
with a 1st and goal inside BYU's three yard line, I have come to the
conclusion that BYU will be hard pressed to fill his enormous shoes this year.
Yeah - who would want a mature guy with Ziggy's abilities, at or near his
peak physically, in the original packaging without the long history of injuries
every experienced football player has sustained by the end of a college
career?Good grief - how old was Steve Young by the time he really
got down to playing some NFL football? I'll bet he was older than Ziggy,
and look what he accomplished after he got the starting nod in San Francisco.
One reason so many NFL players' careers are so short is
they're already pretty beat up by the time they get out of college. For
crying out loud Ziggy couldn't possibly be older than 25, and he's in
mint condition. His age is a complete non-issue.
RE: AZUTE1Mesa, AZLook it up yourself. Please format your
response in a neat, organized list, including year, name/position,
round/overall-selection, franchise and, if it's not asking too much, how
each one's career has played-out. Thanks in advance!
Aggielove,Mark my words, he'll be in the Pro Bowl. Don't
put him down just because you're jealous that USU didn't have him.
DEW Cougars has got it right. Ziggy's gonna be there for 15 years. And no
doubt, Steve Young was the best QB in NFL history even if Chris B won't
acknowledge it. If Robbie Bosco hadn't hurt his shoulder, he would have
been right up there.
There is no question he is the hot topic in the NFL draft above everyone else.
He is the HOTTEST person to talk about in Utah, and to have the NFL discuss him
just as much says a lot about him. He may go in the top 5 when a year ago no
one knew who he was is remarkable. He led his team defense to top 3 in the
nation.He came from nowhere to top 5 prospect in the draft. That is
why he is so special. Name me one other person who has that profile.
Can't do it? There is no one else. I've seen more articles about him
than the guy from TX A&M. People just love talking about Ziggy! Who can
blame them? HE IS A STUD!
The reason his age is in question is because every other 23-year-old male at BYU
has male-pattern baldness. Ziggy has a full head of hair so some confusion has
To all that say pro bowl in first year..... Bbahhahahhahhalol. Sure
Two words: Greg. Oden.
Lotuleilei and Ansah are two very different players. Lotuleilei is a lot like
Haloti Ngata. Run stopper whose strength is up the middle. Ansah to me looks to
be more like a more athletic Hybrid between the Reggie White/Bruce Smith big D
end and Denver's Von Miller. I would like to see the crystal
ball of those who are saying that both of these guys will have great NFL
careers. There's a lot more than raw talent and work ethic that goes into a
players success. They have all the potential in the world, and they have worked
hard to put themselves in the best possible position to succeed. But just like
mutual funds and stocks, past performance is not always indicative of future
return. Only time will tell. But for those of us who have watched them for the
last couple of years, we will definitely cheering for their success. The thing that it most impressive about both of these players is that they
both worked hard in the classroom. Lotuleilei skipped the draft and stuck around
to get his degree. Best of luck on draft day to both of them.
Hey Crhis B - did you really think Steve Young would have never been in the nfl
after his usfl? You really are a u homer. I know Ziggy will play longer than 10
or 15 years to one of those nfl team. Are you still sniffing for ROSE to
azute how about Austin Collie and Dennis Pitta. Soon to be Ansah and Kyle Van
Noy next year.
@ Chris BI believe that Ansah played against those same WAC level
teams that Eric Weddle honed his skills against. It doesn't seem to have
hurt his career much, does it? It might also explain why he went to the Senior
Bowl with the top graduating players in the country (I believe it also included
players from some of those BCS schools) and dominated all of the competition. I
think I heard somewhere he got an award or something. Maybe it was just a
participation ribbon that they give to all the slow, non-athletic kids. Then again, maybe those guys that evaluate NFL level talent before
giving them millions of dollars, might just know what they are doing a little
more than us average Joes. The double standard from the hill is amazing.
Why is it that some people can't cheer for one player without ripping down
another?Star Lotulelei is a good football player. He will probably
get drafted in the top 10 and have a good career. That's great for him.
If Ziggy is also drafted in the top 10 and has a good career, how does that hurt
Star? Since it doesn't, why do some feel the need to criticize?And as for AZUTE1: I'm rolling my eyes at your "serious" question
that has been asked numerous times by the rest of the BYU haters. Go cheer for
your team for a change.
Chris BLet me see now. Ziggy is inexperienced, so it will take a couple
of years for suitors (I assume you mean NFL teams) to decide they don't
want him. During those two years, in spite of practicing every day and perhaps
playing in a number of NFL games, he will not gain experience, which is your
stated reason why he will fail.Your argument is illogical. Even if his
inexperience shows at first, after two years, he will have two more years of
experience. That will not turn away suitors; it will make him even more
desirable. You know, there are some players who just seem to have natural
talent which allows them to BEGIN playing at a level many others must take years
to develop. Ziggy has such enormous physical advantages over many other players
that he will have an edge as soon as he drops into the stance and faces another
player.I suggest you get some tapes of his past games. Its obvious you
haven't seen him play or you haven't watched carefully. Watch the
moves he makes using talent and instinct, even against "WAC" opponents
(like Utah?). Then apologize here.
Serious question here--How many players has byu had drafted during
mendenhall's tenure? Please format your response in a neat, organized
list, including year, name/position, round/overall-selection, franchise and, if
it's not asking too much, how each one's career has played-out.Remember, only those players both recruited by/fully-developed under
mendenhall, exclusively....For the life of me, I don't recall any draft
picks produced in recent years.Anybody? Thanks in advance!
Chris B,You're just a Utah homer. Mark my words, Ziggy will be
all pro because he's doing what's right on and off the field.
The average employment in the NFL is three years! Players like Ziggy who will
have an actual degree are smart, you never know how long your career will last.
Anyone, even the number 1 pick can get injured enough to end a career.That being said, great luck to all players from Utah schools who get picked!
Despite the jealous little temper tantrum by my little sister, it's clear
that Ziggy is the most intriguing prospect in the upcoming NFL draft and that
he's destined for a long and very productive career in the NFL.Star should also have a good NFL career also, but he won't generate
anywhere close to the draft day buzz that Ziggy will generate. Once again, we
kids on the hill will have to take a back seat to our big brothers.
he looks like he's 45!!!
Ziggy looks like a great talent. Watching his performance on the field and at
the combine, you've got to be impressed. Seems like every year we hear
questions about age, missions, etc. Paul Kruger's NFL career doesn't
appear to be suffering from his mission.Great to see local
school's players making it to the NFL. I cheer for all the Utes, Cougars
and Aggies in the pros.Go Utes.
Star Lotululei will be the only lineman remembered in this draft from the state
of Utah. Ziggy's inexperience will leave him with no suitors after just a
couple years.Again, half of his experience was against WAC
It sounds to me that there are some teams out there who would like to get Ziggy
but they know he won't be available by the time their turn comes around.
Thus, they start the age rumors.
Faze1950 is right. Ziggy's middle name should be Overwhelming. I
can't wait to see him make the Pro Bowl in year 1.
It always seems that someone has to come up with a spin on every story. So is
the case on Ziggy. He is an over whelming threat to any offensive team on the
field. He'll show up a lot of NFL Veterans (and the Media) in his debut
into the game, wait and see.
I predict Ziggy will play for 15 years in the NFL. He'll make the Pro Bowl
at least 9 times.
Does age really matters in NFL? What is number of average years players played
in nfl today? How many players had physical beat ups during their young age to
college days and Ziggy only played a good 2 or 3 years of football. He is a
pretty healthy puppy guy. I wouldn't worry about that and he may just play
many good years to come but of course he might finished less than a year if some
bad accident come along during his playing time on the field (hope not). Yes age
does matter in MLB, NBA & NHL but maybe not. I don't think he is
worrying about that.