Oakley couple killed in murder-suicide had no history of domestic violence

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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 17, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    Gail Fitches
    Layton, UT


    But BIG pharm does want anyone to know this dirty little secret combination. $$$

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    April 17, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Domestic violence can include verbal abuse, and emotional abuse. Friends or family had to know why she was leaving.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Murdering a house mate is DV. It infrequently happens in a good relationship unless there are unique circumstances such as a terminal illness. Neighbors seldom know everything that goes on behind closed doors, so making the association is not a very big leap.

  • American First Merced, CA
    April 17, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Domestic Violence is obviously the media narrative on this one...even though it had nothing to do with any kind of history of violence, they'll twist it till it fits, it's the progressive way.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    April 17, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    I think the reason one assumes that there was abuse is because when you kill your spouse, you are abusing her (or him).

    Honestly I find the article very unsatisfying, jumping to a soapbox about how discussing abuse might have saved them is kind of socially irresponsible. So would wearing a bulletproof vest when your husband has a gun and you decide to leave him, but you don't hear an outcry for that, do ya?

    The fact remains that our socity has no structure whatsoever to handle a situation like this. If you suspected something like this might happen, what would you do as a neighbor or friend? Honestly what could you do?

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    April 17, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Dixie Kid and fish8,
    It seems this article is trying to point out that because there was no history of domestic violence - history means that there would be documentation of, or it was known by law or others - then it could have been hidden or kept private. Nevertheless, just because there is no "history" or "evidence" does not mean it didn't exist. Try to follow the story line.

  • fish8 Vernal, UT
    April 17, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    I agree with The Dixie Kid. Why did the paper jump to DV as the issue. They admitted there was no evidence of DV in this relationship. I guess they could have also jumped on the anti gun issue or maybe even the marriage vs co habatation issue. If you aren't going to stick to the facts it really doesn't matter what you report.

  • Gail Fitches Layton, UT
    April 17, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    In most of the cases like this, usually the person is on antidepressants or antipsychotics. I am curious what prescription drugs he was taking. This is so very sad, and is happening more frequently.

  • Mugabe ACWORTH, GA
    April 17, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    I don't know what more the public can do to curtail Domestic Violence. What will likely happen is more government spending, is a feeble attempt to control People, than to stop DV.

    Men and Women who indulge in DV know that it is wrong, but their own selfish desires want allow them to take steps to make the necessary changes to quit. Violence is part of our society and only the people who engage in it can stop it.

    People in DV situations will not listen to reason, they believe that things will change, so they continue in the relationship until something tragic, like this, happens.

    I don't beleive that someone, somewhere, didn't know about the problems in that relationship: a friend, family member, co-worker, or neighbor. Someone knew about the situation, if there was any. I am saddened over this, she is such a lovely lady.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    April 17, 2013 6:03 a.m.

    Divorce? They weren't even married, just two people sharing a house and bills with one expecting a little more than the other was willing to give.

    Cohabitation is a fake love that is not built on trust, love, unity, or equality. They were using each other and that is not a foundation you can build on for a family or each other and there is no commitment or accountability to each other at all.

    This is the inevitable outcome of cohabitation and it can't be called domestic violence because each has no commitment or obligation to the other. Nor do children out of wedlock bond and bind a couple with any lasting commitment. They can bond to children but not each other. A lifestyle without trust and commitment is not worth the risk.

    Most likely the rift began with financial obligations that neither could justify as cause to remain together, and the root of 90% of all breakups. Unmarried people remain single for all their life in mind and commitment. If police do get involved with violence in cohabitation the law is clear, they can leave anytime and it becomes self induced pain and suffering or suicide.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    April 17, 2013 5:57 a.m.

    They said that there was no history of domestic abuse, but then the article jumps to the conclusion that there was? What did I miss?

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    April 17, 2013 5:51 a.m.

    I gun in the house is not all that great of a thing is it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 17, 2013 12:00 a.m.

    Pencils don't misspell words anymore then guns kill.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    April 16, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    This is without a doubt very tragic. People often view DV as being or only being physical and or sexual abuse and forget that the most dangerous is emotional. It leaves no visible scars or marks and is much much more lasting. Without knowing the full circumstances, I would dare to say that emotional abuse was there, however, not recorded by the public. We need more education in the area of DV and how to stop it. My heart goes out to the families.