More officers have been in public schools, but more kids have wound up in court

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 16, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    toosmartforyou--students receive a handbook the first day of classes, and it's reviewed. By the time students are in high school, --they know what proper behavior is, but some choose to be rebellious.

    For whatever my opinion is worth,--school should be voluntary after a pre-determined age. Time, and resources are wasted on those not wanting to be in school.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    @jrgl Why do we criminalize everything?

    The prison system is becoming more privatized, and the way that private prisons make money is by having the cells full. There was a judge back east that was sentencing kids to a privatized juvenile detention center for things that did not seem to merit the punishment. Turns out the judge was getting kick-backs from the detention center for every kid he sent there.

    Ever wonder why the recent crack-down on illegal immigration? All those caught are in a privatized prison for which tax payer dollars are paying to keep them. Why not just fly them back to where they came from?

    The privatized prison corporations have lobbyist in Washington influencing congress to help make laws that improve their business.

  • jrgl CEDAR CITY, UT
    April 16, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    This article needs Utah statistics! Are more young people ending up in the juvenile justice system after being arrested at school in our state?
    I worked in the schools. I have seen young people in high school be arrested at school and seen the perp walk as the officers haul them out. Parents are not there, students don't know their rights and many of those arrested are taken into custody allegedly doing something outside the schools hours. All of this arresting is very disruptive to the schools.
    To the first poster, yes students in Utah are in deep trouble for bringing Grandfather's pocket knife to school!
    Are we satisfied with having the highest incarceration rate in the world? Why do we criminalize everything?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 16, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    With the large amount of money spent on education, we ain't got time for misbehaving students.

    Either arrest them, or allow them the freedom to drop out.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 16, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    How about the students get a hand-out at the first of the year listing what is acceptable behavior and what is not? Then tell them that if they don't behave properly, you'll contact the parents. (Oh, that won't work because many of them have only one parent that can't handle her children because their father skipped out and she is trying to just feed the family at a minimum wage job. It's a cultural thing that's acceptable to the group having the behavioral problems, I think.)

    What's needed is some decent parenting!! And by that I don't mean from a mother that got pregnant as a teenager and has no husband. We are sowihg what we reap, folks, big time. It's always been that way and it always will be that way. The school simply cannot take the place of parents. It just doesn't work.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 15, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    Students handcuffed, arrested, and parents fined. It's called public disorderly conduct. The alternative are swats.

    This really helps with school behavior, and soon the police help will be reduced.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Schools need to have the authority to correct bad behavior. When I was in grade school I was spanked by the Principal if I misbehaved. If a Principal today spanks a student they're looking at a lawsuit. The solution of this problem begins in the home, where parents teach their children appropriate behavior. And, parents allow schools to discipline their child if an infraction of school or classroom rules is committed by the child. School infractions should not result in a criminal record, unless the infraction is truly criminal. A pop tart bitten into the shape of a gun, by a grade schooler, is not criminal.

  • Whiteshoes Hurricane, UT
    April 15, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    This article states many natronal statistics. Is Utah anything like these larger states mentioned?

  • HTSJCCAFALG Richfield, UT
    April 15, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Looks like the police are a little more 'unforgiving' than the principal. I cannot believe that because we place more police presence in school that were re saying that it has resulted in basically resulted in the "criminalization of youth - particularly youth of color." Give me a break.

    I'm sure these police are going into the schools looking to "criminalize" these kids. The fact is schools have too long given too long of a leash. This is, however, due to the fact that so much is required of them they MUST educated them and this story proves what a joke it can be. I mean one of the final paragraphs state: "The majority of student arrests are for discretionary offenses such as disruption, disorderly conduct and minor school fights."

    Discretionary? Really? So I can go to school and "disrupt" the class, participate in "disorderly" conduct in classes that a teacher has spent a whole lot of time preparing (Oh and by the way will be judged whether they are any good or not based on the results of a test the students take) and participate in a few "minor fights."

    And the police are unfairly targeting them. INCREDIBLE!!!!

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    April 15, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    Then limit what the police are there for. Everything goes to the principal excepts those who bring weapons (I am NOT talking my grandfather's pocket knife) to school.