Howard S.Taylorsville, UT@poyman"We'll do just
fine this year..."I'm guessing that on April 14th of 2010,
2011, and 2012 you also thought the Cougs would be just fine.Am I
right? Be honest...If I'm right... your predictive skills need
improvement."And tell me, Brother Howard, what did U predict on
those days? U thought that Ur ship had come in. Little did you realize that it
did, but U would be stuck to the bottom of it like barnacles.
As far as recruiting class rankings goes, neither the "U" or BYU gets
more out of less than Boise State. End of discussion.
RE:Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CAI an I is right BYU messed up on Star.
Star wanted to go to BYU and when he finished JC route BYU passes on him. Utah
did not pass on him.
I always laugh about "recruiting smack" from Utes and Cougars. We all
know that they recruit from different "recruiting pools". Bronco and
Kyle have both said so. Because of the honor code, BYU has a much smaller pool
to chose from. This in turn limits the number of kids they can recruit, and
frankly the number of kids that want to go to BYU for the "BYU
Experience". So when I see a Ute talking smack about the recruiting class
and number of "stars" it receives, I laugh. BYU will never have the
recruiting class Alabama, Florida, Texas, or USC ever have because of the Honor
Code. Frankly, it is amazing that BYU can continue winning at such a high rate
with the restrictions that are put on Bronco. We saw how well the Crowton era
did when we tried to recruit the same kids, the other Universities wanted.
"Sex, drugs, and Rock 'n Roll" at other Universities,
"Missions, Academics, and Service Opportunities" at BYU.
We already get the best high school recruits, now we'll get the best JC
@Howie S - I concede, U've had our number the past decade, but many of
those wins are during the (I'm trying to forget) Crowton era. Three of the
last four games have come down to the final play. Do I wish we had made the two
field goals? Sure. But to claim dominance during the Bronco / Kyle era is
certainly a stretch. There have been some great games, that I wish would
continue.In the end, it comes down to an entire season, not a single
game. And to claim U had a more successful season last year hardly warrants the
moniker "Mighty Utes". Mighty and sub .500 do not go together.I do wish U well in the upcoming season, in every game but one.
"Sooner Ute, You're surely not insulting our intelligence by claiming
that any University has a monopoly on recruiting pipelines "Dick
Harmon makes it sound like the junior college is some grand undiscovered
resource of talent. Maybe its new to BYU, but not to the rest of the football
world. JC standouts are snapped up fast these days."Relationships, not tradition, determine how many nuggets you find in the
JC ranks"Right. A kid will ignore an offer from USC, Oklahoma, Ohio
State, LSU, Florida because he knows a coach at a mid-major.
CougFaninTXFrisco, TXWinning? Try 8 of the last 11.Smack from Cougars about winning sounds a little silly until your boys can
actually beat the mighty Utes.
@poyman"We'll do just fine this year..."I'm guessing that on April 14th of 2010, 2011, and 2012 you also thought
the Cougs would be just fine.Am I right? Be honest...If
I'm right... your predictive skills need improvement.
@Howie S - Why the obsession with recruiting class rankings? Last I checked,
wins, end of the rankings, and bowl eligibility are what count. Want to compare
BYU vs Utah on any of those metrics? It doesn't matter if you have a
higher rated recruiting class if U can't get past .500 and become bowl
eligible.@SoonerUte - U missed the point of the article.
Relationships, not tradition, determine how many nuggets you find in the JC
ranks, and Tujague has them.
You Ute fans make me smile... @Ernie T Bass... Why don't you
tell us which FB Player for BYU skated in at the minimums academically and then
we will gladly prove you wrong... You must not have been paying attention when
the NCAA rated BYU in the top 10 Academically in Division 1...Sooner
Ute, You're surely not insulting our intelligence by claiming that any
University has a monopoly on recruiting pipelines for over 20 years now that no
other college can have access to... That's simply ridiculous... One only
need look at BYU's JC recruits this season... Oh, and Howard?
We'll do just fine this year... Remind yourself to look at the score board
at the end of the game on the evening of September 21 and then come back on here
and tell us again about the weakness of our recruiting.I know that
it's tough to be a Ute fan right now in Football and especially in
Basketball (1-11 against the Cougs over the last 7 years)... But the answer to
your inferiority complex is not to attack the up and coming Cougs... It will
just make you look all the more silly come January.
sammygSpringville, UTIt's cute that Cougar Nation is more
concerned with Utah's fortunes in the big leagues than they are about their
own teams chances against the Utes.I suppose that's because the
C-Nation knows their Coug's stand no chance of victory over Utah, but at
least the PAC 12 big boys can do what their own boys cannot.
@Kralon: No they don't. They'll take players with the minimum NCAA
Yes, Howie, we all know the importance of having quality of superior athletes
for competition.When are the Utes going to start getting enough
quality players to break through the .500 ceiling of conference play and become
insignificant bowl eligible again?
"However, JC recruiting is not the answer."Its not the answer,
because its too late. Bill Snyder had great success with the strategy 20 years
ago. Ever since, all the big schools have established inroads to junior college
recruiting. Its like showing up for the gold rush 10 years too late. You might
find a stray nugget, but everyone else has established claims.
BYU better do something to jump start recruiting because the last three
recruiting classes have been the lowest ranked BYU classes since 2002.However, JC recruiting is not the answer.
It's reassuring to know that his recruiting involves athletes who want a
quality education. Kralon said it well. Some athletes who BYU didn't
recruit or were unsuccessful at recruiting were academically unqualified. Auburn
and the SEC in general are examples of having "scholar-athletes" with
low achievement on the front and back end of college. The PAC-12 has also
expressed an interest in broadening (lowering) their academic standards to allow
more athletes to have a college experience. The tail is beginning to wag the
BYU didn't pass on Star Lotulelei, BYU was very interested but Star
didn't qualify academically. BYU requires higher academic standards than
the minimum NCAA requirements.
I'm glad to see BYU expand their recruiting philosophies. For example they
passed on Star because he was a JC transfer (that was smart wasn't it?). PS
BYU Snow College, is just down the road about an hour and a half in Ephraim, it
has one of the better JC football programs in the country. I know the kids
aren't from California but they like to win which is probably more