Proposed new round of closures threatens Hill Air Force Base

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  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 17, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Spending cuts should start with the military.
    The US spends more than the next 26 nations combined, 25 of whom are considered allies to the US.
    As soon as you mention cutting military spending to a republican politician, they suddenly aren't so keen on spending cuts.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 15, 2013 12:08 a.m.

    @ nrajr

    First of all, it is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat party. You claim that left leaners never have anything substanitivne or constructive to add, but then you go on to add nothing substantive or constructive. As to your vague statement regarding closures, what is going to be closed? How will be it be closed? When will it be closed? Please enlighten us.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    The tea party demands cuts and more cuts. Hill AFB is just the start. Be careful what you scream about.

  • nrajr SANDY, UT
    April 14, 2013 1:35 a.m.

    Some of you who are left leaning and regularly comment on the the political conflicts between the GOP and the Democrat Party seem to always make jabs and jeers but never have anything substantive or constructive to add the conversation. Occasionally, I see uninformed comments from the right as well. In this particular case, concerning the sequester, neither the right or the left wanted to see it happen (speaking collectively about the parties, not about individual persons). The Democrats didn't want their failed and unsustainable entitlement programs touched. The GOP didn't want their equally unsustainable massive "defense" (which has really become offense) spending cut. Obama and Pelosi believe that we don't have a spending problem, but a revenue problem. Every debt ridden person, company, city, and state can make the same claim. The US borrows almost 50 cents of every dollar spent and has operated the last 4 years without a budget. If spending is not cut more drastically, and more revenue raised to get the debt under control, much more than Hill AFB will be closing. To think that the US is "too big to fail" is arrogant foolishness.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    April 13, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    There have been five rounds of BRAC now, three in Republican administrations and 2 in Democratic administrations and there is no evidence of political bias in any of the five.

    On 12 July 2012, all three Air Logistics Centers (Ogden, Oklahoma City, and Warner-Robbins) were reorganized, with each center HQ and the maintenance wing in the center being merged into an Air Logistics Complex. On the same day, a new Air Force Sustainment Center, one of five Air Force Material Command centers, stood up to manage the three complexes. AFSC is at Tinker AFB. This was part of a larger Material Command restructuring.

    Each of the Air Logistics Complex specializes in its depot level support for different kinds of aircraft and missiles. It would be hard for any of these three to have its functions merged into the other two. The three are less in competition with each other than they were before.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    April 13, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Every 4 years, some big politician in Utah brings up the possibility that HAFB could be closed. Yet, we don't do a darn thing to roll out the welcome mat to the airmen who are stationed here. Here are some ideas.

    1. Run the Front Runner on Sunday, at least between Clearfield and Salt Lake. Let those with a valid active duty ID ride UTA for free.
    2. Exempt the communities around the base from the "Zion Curtain" law.
    3. Allow active duty airmen to break leases once they get on-base housing.
    4. Not just active duty, but families of active duty military members should get resident tuition rates.
    5. Ask businesses around town to give discounts to those on active-duty.

    Remember that the airmen and junior officers of today's Air Force are the leaders of tomorrow. A warm and friendly impression given today will help keep the base open.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    April 13, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    @Most Truthful

    But why would Utahns elect people with military experience? They're all Democrats!
    Tell me truthfully, Utahns: how many of you automatically vote (R), rather than learning about who you are voting for?

    Did you know that now-Senator Lee couldn't even afford his own McManion's big mortgage, so let his home be foreclosed upon.
    He wasn't poor; he just didn't want to pay for it! elected him as some paragon of virtue. He's a big TAKER.

    Hatch? He's from Pennsylvania, and will be almost 90 when this term expires in 6 years.

    What about Bishop? What has he really done?

    Or Chaffetz, doing anything to get his face on TV or going on "fact-finding trips"?

    Christensen, the new guy? Climate denier who got appointed to the House climate committee.
    He's not going to stand up to the big oil interests, like Chevron spilling oil all over Utah.

    Matheson, the sole Democrat who barely defeated a subdivision mayor, with a degree in "performing arts" who also hadn't paid off her student loans yet.

    Those who hate government, should never be in charge of it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    April 13, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    It's funnier than heck watching the conservatives squirm now that they are getting their wish to cut government spending.

    Tragic for those who will lose jobs and homes and who know what else. But conservatives don't mind that. Just call them lazy and be done with it.

    But when one of them is from a conservative's family or circle of friends . . . . well . . .

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    April 13, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    If Hill is closed, we have four old white men to thank... 1- Representative Rob Bishop 2- Senator Lee, Senator Hatch and Representative Chaffetz.. Their fear of ending their "political careers" because of our minority political system over the good of the majority of the citizenry will ultimately be costly.

    Congratulations to the Tea Party. You may just win this closure.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    I wonder how much the State of Utah has spent on "message bills" to the Federal Government. Now perhaps the Federal Government will return a "message bill" to Utah?

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    April 13, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Hill AFB had two competors: Tinker and Robbins (both in red states).

    They had equal power, until late 2011 - when Ogden ALC was demoted to a "complex" under the AF Sustainment Center at Tinker, now led by a three-star general. Hill? A one-star.

    Democrat Peter Cooke spelled it out in his campaign:

    Oklahoma County passed a $55 million bond [to purchase a closed GM factory in 2008]. They did this to put themselves in the best possible position to score more military jobs and an AF expansion at Tinker, and to protect against BRAC in 2015. It amounted to a tax increase of $.068 on the average $100,000 home.
    There was no guarantee that the AF would expand there. They simply knew the value of military jobs and were willing to take a risk to save such jobs.
    The AF agreed to invest 50-100 million at Tinker over 5 years. The AF also signed a 50-year lease at Tinker. They were proactive and insulated their base from BRAC by making it indispensable to the Air Force mission.

    Meanwhile, Utah puts its eggs in message bills, limits personal freedom and watches other states invest.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 13, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Didn't the DN publish an editorial that sequester impact was a big lie, that there was little to no impact? Something about canceling White House tours being a political stunt? Then we have;

    "Tage Flint, chairman of the Utah Defense Alliance, a nonprofit organization that advocates for HAFB, said the 17,000 civilian workers at the base are still waiting to hear the details of coming furloughs and other impacts of the recent budget cuts.

    Those cuts have already grounded at least one squadron at HAFB and are likely to slow the base's mission of readying aircraft and missiles, Flint said, reducing the readiness of the U.S. Air Force."

    So sequester will impact...

    I understand DN's running stories they think readers wants to hear... of course most conservative think the budget can be cut without impact to the home state. But honest debate about the budget would acknowledge that both Red and Blue states will be impacted. In the 2005 BRAC - Georgia (red state) lost bases to NC (then a red state)... during a blue administration.

    Lets keep partisanship out of the military. If Utah looses, it will be size, not color that hurt it.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 13, 2013 9:36 a.m.


    I don't get it.

    Rob Bishop for years has been talking nonstop about he need for the federal government to make cuts. Now that it looks like cuts might be made, he complains!? Why is that Robbie? Oh, because they might effect those in your district? So in other words, you want cuts, but just cuts to those in other districts.


    How patriotic is that? Nice job Robbie!

    For me, I think this is GREAT news. I hope and pray that they shut the entire base down! Just close it already! We here in tab preach selflisness and patriotism. We demand fiscal responsibility. Now here if our opportunity! Lets take one for the team! Lets be a light unto the nation!

    Finally, it is time for those on government hill Air Force base welfare to get off of it. Time to cut the fat!!! I know I know, it may sting a lil but in the long term we shall be all better off. Time to find jobs in the private sector. Go back to school if you must! Time to adapt. Here in Utah we love free market solutions.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    April 13, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Pay backs are brutal! If it happens we can thank the likes of Lee, Hatch and Chaffetz! previous poster "Iron Rod" says it best " You can't poke your finger in the hive and not expect to be stung."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 13, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Tax money to Hill Air Force Base, and those citizens in need of benefits.

    Wouldn't it be great if our tax money went to the military, and provide jobs for those needing the benefits. Shooting two birds with one shot?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 13, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Hardman astutely understands Utah's liability having put all its eggs in one basket, and making it worse by sending uncompromising extremists to Washington, leaving us with a very weak delegation to advocate our interests. You reap what you sow. But that won't stop Utah Republicans from their own hypocrisy, calling for reduced government spending as long as it doesn't affect us.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 13, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Cut Spending.

    But not spending that helps me or my state or my region.

    Hill AFB is the largest employer in Utah?

    How many of the "smaller government" crowd will be OK with closing H AFB if it is not deemed to be necessary?

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    Perhaps it would be wise for our Senator Lee and Hatch to tone down the constant criticism of the Obama administration and its policies. I read recently that the Central Utah Project will be funded about ten percent of what it was funded previoulsy. If Hill Airforce Base is reduced or eliminated I feel it will be a direct result of their behavior. You cann't poke your finger in the hive and not expect to be stung.