Skiwampis entirely missed Johnathon Eddy's point. The fact that the lady
was an illegal immigrant is irrelevant. Anyone careless with a foggy windshield
could have caused this accident.
@ Jonathon EddyI hope you are tolerant of other opinions, and
don't just wish to end debate by calling another opinion "hate."
Surely, you aren't subtly trying to get people like me to shut up, just
because you don't like what I have to say? You are a tolerant person,
aren't you, I mean after events like the Gabby Giffords shooting, right? I
am not trying to bait you. I really want you to analyze and think about how you
treat an opinion you don't like, because I believe that America is no place
to twist and slant other opinions in the hopes of eventually getting opinions
you don't like eviscerated. You sir, can opine all you want. I don't
believe you are motivated by hate. If you are really interested in the
safety of the truly innocent, then determining every way their innocence can be
protected should be open to debate. This lady was here illegally, and that is
the way your government defines it. If you don't like it focus your
efforts on petitioning your government to change what illegal is.
Usually in instances like this, a civil lawsuit is also filed, by the family or
their insurance. With people here illegally that get deported, a civil lawsuit
is a waste of time.
Kill somebody with your vehicle and you're liable to spend six months in
the slammer!Wow! That's tough! The judge must've wanted
to send a stern message, huh? (/HEAVY SARCASM)Far too many people
fail to realize that they are piloting a 4000-pound lethal weapon when they get
behind the wheel. Ms. Fregoso-Avina killed Mr. Crow just as dead as if
she'd fired an assault rifle at him, and the penalty should've
reflected that.Forgiveness is wonderful, and I hope Mr. Crow's
family can heal their broken hearts. But the courts also have an obligation to
"send a message" to society about what behavior will and won't be
tolerated. Frosted-up windshields should NOT be tolerated; the stakes are too
high! (As illustrated by this tragic story.)
I was struck (as a pedestrian) by a driver who did not take the time to
adequately scrape her windows a few years ago. Luckily I was not seriously
injured. Since then, I have taken more notice of how many drivers scrape just
the bare minimum and go speeding down residential streets. There are a lot more
of them than you would expect!(I just thank God it was me and not a
child or an elderly person who might have been badly hurt or even killed.)My sympathies to the man's family in this horrible incident. I
refuse to call it an accident...it was preventable! Take a few
extra minutes, people, and be safe!!
I don't believe her account. What did witnesses like the train engineer
have to say?
Tough experiences for all around. I hope everyone involved can find a place to
forgive and move forward in a positive way. No well lived life is truly ever
lost...This was my first winter in UT in over 30 years, and
compassionately toward the woman - I can say how shocked I was at how many
drivers don't sufficiently clear their windows of frost. More than once I
was nearly struck while walking across the street here in S.S. It's a
vivid reminder to all to operate vehicles safely; leave yourself 10 minutes to
scrape and defog your windows fully before driving.
This woman gets 210 days... but the amish who cut of someones beard gets 15
years? This is not justice at all.
It's a sad situation, especially when you consider she had no legal right
to be here. I don't think the punishment is correct for the crime either.
I, for one, have a dog in this fight. My spouse was victim, died at the scene,
of an accident (defined as an unplanned event) involving an alleged illegal
driver. No one would comment on the other driver's status but the driver
and his employer both required a English - Spanish translator in court and both
were fined and sentenced to jail time. Would the accident have
happened if the driver was "legal" who's to say? But it can be
said that illegal people are involved in crimes, accidents and criminal events
in this country. So are citizens, but regardless of the "good" some
illegal immigrants do, the current situation also permits crime, and an
increased drain on public resources that would not occur if the borders were
secure. If this driver is here illegally, and is going back to
Mexico, what about her family? Are they by definition also illegal? Will they
join her on her trip home?
This is a very sad story. I don't think the punishment fit the crime.
Less than a year for homicide...
I admit I am one of those idiots who is willing to offer illegal immigrants the
opportunity to stay here legally assuming no crimes committed, etc. But what I
don't understand about this situation is a person, whether legal or
illegal, committed negligent HOMICIDE and is only getting less than a year in
prison?? That does not feel like justice to me. Either way, sad all around.
@ skiwampisA human being exhibited negligence which led to the death
of another human. Bad news for sure but this stuff happens everywhere by humans
of all walks of life. Why must this horrible accident be turned into illegal
immigrant hate mongering ad nauseum? It could have been committed by a Provo
native and the results would have been just as unfortunate for the family of the
victim. Let the family grieve without introducing the element of hate on top of
Illegal Alien! Undocumented Migrant! Unregistered Democrat! Whatever you want
Deseret News, or is politically correct, just say it! If you want Utahns to
embrace punishing people that are here illegally by letting them stay here
(amnesty), then be honest. Tell the whole story, even when it may not fit your
template. Refusing to tell both sides of the immigration debate fairly, or at
all, far and away vexes me the most when the D-News reports on and opines about
illegal immigration. We're not ignorant D-News, so stop treating us like
we are! Deal with the fact that some people believe that this tragic crime could
have been avoided if the Feds more strictly enforced immigration law.
You'll have me more convinced of the genius/compassion/righteousness
(whatever) of punishing people that are here illegally by letting them stay
(amnesty) if you do deal with people like me honestly and openly.
I'm sure the lady had the best legal defense the city and railroad could
have to cover up the pathetic rail safety features. And now when the wrongful
death trial comes up against the city/county/railroad she is GONE.
Tragic story. I feel sorry for both families involved.
201 days in jail because she is too lazy to clean her windshield and
someone's father/grandpa is killed because of her negligence. Life is cheap
Such a tragic story. All the way around.