Provo woman charged in death of bicyclist sentenced to jail

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    May 1, 2013 5:59 a.m.

    Skiwampis entirely missed Johnathon Eddy's point. The fact that the lady was an illegal immigrant is irrelevant. Anyone careless with a foggy windshield could have caused this accident.

  • skiwampis Sierra Vista, AZ
    April 12, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    @ Jonathon Eddy

    I hope you are tolerant of other opinions, and don't just wish to end debate by calling another opinion "hate." Surely, you aren't subtly trying to get people like me to shut up, just because you don't like what I have to say? You are a tolerant person, aren't you, I mean after events like the Gabby Giffords shooting, right? I am not trying to bait you. I really want you to analyze and think about how you treat an opinion you don't like, because I believe that America is no place to twist and slant other opinions in the hopes of eventually getting opinions you don't like eviscerated. You sir, can opine all you want. I don't believe you are motivated by hate.
    If you are really interested in the safety of the truly innocent, then determining every way their innocence can be protected should be open to debate. This lady was here illegally, and that is the way your government defines it. If you don't like it focus your efforts on petitioning your government to change what illegal is.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    April 12, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Usually in instances like this, a civil lawsuit is also filed, by the family or their insurance. With people here illegally that get deported, a civil lawsuit is a waste of time.

  • bikeboy Boise, ID
    April 12, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Kill somebody with your vehicle and you're liable to spend six months in the slammer!

    Wow! That's tough! The judge must've wanted to send a stern message, huh? (/HEAVY SARCASM)

    Far too many people fail to realize that they are piloting a 4000-pound lethal weapon when they get behind the wheel. Ms. Fregoso-Avina killed Mr. Crow just as dead as if she'd fired an assault rifle at him, and the penalty should've reflected that.

    Forgiveness is wonderful, and I hope Mr. Crow's family can heal their broken hearts. But the courts also have an obligation to "send a message" to society about what behavior will and won't be tolerated. Frosted-up windshields should NOT be tolerated; the stakes are too high! (As illustrated by this tragic story.)

  • MrsH Altamont, UT
    April 12, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    I was struck (as a pedestrian) by a driver who did not take the time to adequately scrape her windows a few years ago. Luckily I was not seriously injured. Since then, I have taken more notice of how many drivers scrape just the bare minimum and go speeding down residential streets. There are a lot more of them than you would expect!

    (I just thank God it was me and not a child or an elderly person who might have been badly hurt or even killed.)

    My sympathies to the man's family in this horrible incident. I refuse to call it an was preventable!

    Take a few extra minutes, people, and be safe!!

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 12, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    I don't believe her account. What did witnesses like the train engineer have to say?

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 12, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Tough experiences for all around. I hope everyone involved can find a place to forgive and move forward in a positive way. No well lived life is truly ever lost...

    This was my first winter in UT in over 30 years, and compassionately toward the woman - I can say how shocked I was at how many drivers don't sufficiently clear their windows of frost. More than once I was nearly struck while walking across the street here in S.S. It's a vivid reminder to all to operate vehicles safely; leave yourself 10 minutes to scrape and defog your windows fully before driving.

  • sj Spanish Fork, UT
    April 12, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    This woman gets 210 days... but the amish who cut of someones beard gets 15 years? This is not justice at all.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 12, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    It's a sad situation, especially when you consider she had no legal right to be here. I don't think the punishment is correct for the crime either.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    I, for one, have a dog in this fight. My spouse was victim, died at the scene, of an accident (defined as an unplanned event) involving an alleged illegal driver. No one would comment on the other driver's status but the driver and his employer both required a English - Spanish translator in court and both were fined and sentenced to jail time.

    Would the accident have happened if the driver was "legal" who's to say? But it can be said that illegal people are involved in crimes, accidents and criminal events in this country. So are citizens, but regardless of the "good" some illegal immigrants do, the current situation also permits crime, and an increased drain on public resources that would not occur if the borders were secure.

    If this driver is here illegally, and is going back to Mexico, what about her family? Are they by definition also illegal? Will they join her on her trip home?

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    April 12, 2013 6:12 a.m.

    This is a very sad story. I don't think the punishment fit the crime. Less than a year for homicide...

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    I admit I am one of those idiots who is willing to offer illegal immigrants the opportunity to stay here legally assuming no crimes committed, etc. But what I don't understand about this situation is a person, whether legal or illegal, committed negligent HOMICIDE and is only getting less than a year in prison?? That does not feel like justice to me. Either way, sad all around.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 11, 2013 7:04 p.m.

    @ skiwampis

    A human being exhibited negligence which led to the death of another human. Bad news for sure but this stuff happens everywhere by humans of all walks of life. Why must this horrible accident be turned into illegal immigrant hate mongering ad nauseum? It could have been committed by a Provo native and the results would have been just as unfortunate for the family of the victim. Let the family grieve without introducing the element of hate on top of it.

  • skiwampis Sierra Vista, AZ
    April 11, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    Illegal Alien! Undocumented Migrant! Unregistered Democrat! Whatever you want Deseret News, or is politically correct, just say it! If you want Utahns to embrace punishing people that are here illegally by letting them stay here (amnesty), then be honest. Tell the whole story, even when it may not fit your template. Refusing to tell both sides of the immigration debate fairly, or at all, far and away vexes me the most when the D-News reports on and opines about illegal immigration. We're not ignorant D-News, so stop treating us like we are! Deal with the fact that some people believe that this tragic crime could have been avoided if the Feds more strictly enforced immigration law. You'll have me more convinced of the genius/compassion/righteousness (whatever) of punishing people that are here illegally by letting them stay (amnesty) if you do deal with people like me honestly and openly.

  • Horsewagled sullivan, MO
    April 11, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    I'm sure the lady had the best legal defense the city and railroad could have to cover up the pathetic rail safety features. And now when the wrongful death trial comes up against the city/county/railroad she is GONE.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    April 11, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Tragic story. I feel sorry for both families involved.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    201 days in jail because she is too lazy to clean her windshield and someone's father/grandpa is killed because of her negligence. Life is cheap in Utah.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 11, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Such a tragic story. All the way around.