Hilll helped beat Utah State. The utes lost to Utah State.
Placing this article right below another one about Jake Heaps is an insult. I
think Hill will finally make everyone forget about Heaps.
RE: Frantic and EmotionalSure, you can have all the credit you want
for beating the "Indy-WACers", but that might be problematic for you
since you insist on associating BYU with the WAC, even though the Utes spent
just as much time in that conference as BYU (but experienced very little success
as members of the conference). If you want to talk about W/L against PAC12
teams, go ahead and figure out what BYU's W/L record is against that
conference. This makes sense with BYU playing exactly ZERO WAC teams in 2013,
but with a healthy line-up of PAC foes over the next several years.
Wiscougarfan:"Since joining the PAC12 the University of Utah is
0-1 against WAC teams."What? You're not going to give us
credit for beating the Indy-WACers twice since 2011? How unfair. We should be
credited as being 2-1.
Good for hill, but is he willing to cover kicks?
RE: Frantic and EmotionalNo, I respond to your comments because I am
participating in a discussion board that centers on a team (BYU) that I do care
about. I have never responded to you on any other discussion threads (i.e.
University of Utah articles) because I am not nearly as interested in them and
therefore have no need to make repeated posts (and I very rarely read them).
Oh, and since you are unable to answer the one question I posed let
me go ahead and answer it for you. Since joining the PAC12 the University of
Utah is 0-1 against WAC teams.
Wiscougarfan:You comment frequently to/about me. Does this mean
that you care deeply about me? Because if not, than sort shoots a huge gaping
hole in your frantic and emotional theory that I'm impressed with how many
of the worst teams in the WAC you'd beaten."What is your
W/L record against WAC teams in the last few years?"Just like
our Indy-WACey little brother, we're undefeated vs. the worst teams in the
WAC. The difference however, is that we don't target them to fill out half
our schedule to ensure bowl eligibility.
RE: Naval Vet"You'd also most likely witnessed the general
lassitude to your team's prowess at beating the worst teams in the WAC in
order to inflate your W/L record. Nobody cared."Not true Naval
Vet. You must care deeply about this because you comment on it almost daily.
What is your W/L record against WAC teams in the last few years?
MUSSing with U:"Tanner Mangum was recruited AFTER BYU announced
its Independence."I was responding to Cougar Passion, and Cougar
Passion was talking about Jason Munns. Been having some difficulty following
along, hadn't you? Fail.And as for what you'd seen while
we've been members of the Pac-12 was you'd seen two more losses at on
the gridiron courtesy of your big brother on the Hill, and significant
separation in recruiting -- with OURsremaining strong, and YOURs sliding back
to...well...the 1970s I guess. Haha!You'd also most likely
witnessed the general lassitude to your team's prowess at beating the worst
teams in the WAC in order to inflate your W/L record. Nobody cared.
Naval Vet"Good thing they recruited all those QBs before they
left the MWC."BYU has been recruiting great QBs since the
70's - Tanner Mangum was recruited AFTER BYU announced its Independence.Unlike a certain program up north whose QB cupboard was so bare when
Chow arrived that Norm panicked when he got to Utah and immediately went out and
recruited a D-II QB as the primary back up to an injury-prone starter coming off
of shoulder surgery. We saw what that got U in your first two seasons in the PAC
10.2 - two losing conference seasons, a spot in the coveted couch potato bowl,
and finishing behind BYU in the rankings.
With coaches so high on Alani Fua and wanting to get him on the field as much as
possible I wonder if we'll see Spencer Hadley slide back inside so that Fua
can play on the outside opposite of Van Noy in certain situations. That will be
some awesome pressure on opposing QB's with Bronson, KVN and Fua hitting
them from different directions
@Papi_Chulo"I was waiting for Mendenhall to say the starting QB was
Riley Nelson...LOL"Actually, didn't you know? Bronco's
petitioning the NCAA on Riley's behalf trying to see if he can get him a
medical redshirt year for all the time he's missed due to injury. We might
see Riley back on the field this fall!
@NorCalCougarFan&Alum" I wonder if the Cougars are too top heavy
in the quarterback position. I read something after Alabama won the national
championship that Nick Saban's teams are so successful because they focus
their recruiting on offensive and defensive linemen, the secondary positions,
and their running back positions."After watching utah football
the past couple of seasons apparently that approach only works for Saban!
Brilliant conclusion, Navel Vet, just brilliant.
CougFaninTX: I don't remember him being a 4-star recruit, but it
wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong. What I do remember was the
feeling that he had gotten about as far as he was capable of going based on his
size, and that the big-bodied quarterbacks rarely do well at BYU, or even in the
NFL. When I say big-bodied, I mean burly guys taller than about 6'3".
With a few exceptions, it seems the ones who are the *very* best quarterbacks,
even into the NFL, are the guys who are no more than about 6'2" and had
to maximize every aspect of playing the position, tangible and otherwise,
because they were not always fawned over because of their "prototypical NFL
size". And that is also why, with few exceptions, the top quarterbacks at
BYU didn't have the NFL size either. It's also why I do leave more
room for Billy Green than I felt was there for Munns: he does fit the mold
size-wise, and likely feels he has something to prove.
Cougar Passion:"BYU tries to ensure they bring at least one
quarterback into the program each year, as insurance in case things get
wacky..."And things certainly DID get WACey for the team down
south. Good thing they recruited all those QBs before they left the MWC.
RE: NorCalCougFan&Alum"Saban is willing to take two-star
quarterbacks and focus his attention elsewhere."Maybe, but his
actions show differently. I just checked the recruiting services and see that
in the last five years Saban has recruited one five-star, three four-star, and
ZERO two-star recruits at the QB position. I agree with the premise of your
argument--that improving the O-line will do wonders for our offense. However, I
still think having a quality QB makes a big difference as well. And let's
be honest here, BYU is not Alabama. We have to do what works within our system.
@Passion - I don't think Munns was doomed from the start. He was a 4 star
high school QB with NFL size. I was surprised that neither Lark nor Munns was
able to beat out Nelson. As 4 star QBs, both should have been able to win the
starting nod over Nelson. For whatever reason, Munns never reached the
expectation that many had for him. It looks like the future is Hill and Olsen
with Stewart as an insurance policy.
I have not heard much about the diet/conditioning of the OL that was used last
year. I know that for a while the prevailing philosophy with the OL was to lean
them down and make them more mobile. I guess that Anae changed all that.
So Munns has officially been put out to pasture. Not surprising, but I feel bad
for the guy. I think he had a ton of potential and probably should have
transferred after his mission. I could say the same for James Lark as well.
A few years ago, I asserted in another newspaper's comments that Jason
Munns would likely never see meaningful playing time, for which I was castigated
by a couple other readers. Why did BYU recruit him? Well, a very big reason, of
course, is that he is LDS. Another reason, related to that, is that he was the
highest-profile LDS quarterback coming out of high school that year. As most
schools do, BYU tries to ensure they bring at least one quarterback into the
program each year, as insurance in case things get wacky and the more
highly-sought quarterbacks are unavailable due to injury, transfer, or whatever.
But my feeling is that he was never the one looked to as "the guy".
Now, we have another quarterback on the roster, and I am going to
predict the same thing. Does BYU recruit Billy Green if there is a
similarly-rated LDS quarterback available? Very unlikely. But BYU didn't
want to go a year without one QB coming in. He probably has more potential than
Munns, but I still think it's likely that he will be passed up by other
I was waiting for Mendenhall to say the starting QB was Riley Nelson...LOL
Shocking! Taysom's choice knocked me right off my chair and onto the floor.
Anae pulled the big surprise, who would have thunk?
I am cautiously optimistic about the line and the offense generally. What I saw
at the spring game with the up-tempo offense and remarkable running back output
gives me real hope for a great season. My caution comes in the form of the
issues conditioning and keeping the hogs healthy (those are joined at the hip).
Ryker and the other OLs have to be in the lineup and the uptempo style of play
will require extraordinary conditioning (especially for the big boys). The
stable of great running backs we are sporting will serve us well at the new
pace, but I don't see that we have the same depth on the OL. Those guys
are going to have to be remarkably fit.Taysom, news? Maybe not but
those who watched the spring game will be very excited about how little we lose
if Hill goes down again. The QB competition produced confidence in the depth
chart that will pay dividends.
I agree with Lone Star Cougar."You can have a great QB but if you
don't have a great O-line"Remember Steve Young playing in
Tampa Bay? Or should I say running for his life in Tampa Bay!Need the Big Boys!
Congratulations to Taysom and best of luck this season.
Stop the presses! Hill's going to be the starter!!!
You can have a great QB but if you don't have a great O-line, then it
won't matter how good your QBs or RBs are. I am glad to hear that
BYU's O-line is improving from last year as I think this is very essential
to a winning program.
After his performance last year it would seem obvious for him to be the guy
right? His injury last year as well as Riley's supports the Elk dudes
Can BYU football have a perfect QB? One that can run the ball with speed, and
also have a great throwing arm? Steve Young type QB? Great leadership, great
athleticism, great speed, and great arm. Maybe Hill will be the
The biggest surprise to me on the depth chart was at wide receiver, where
Hoffman and Ridley are listed as the two starters and Apo is a back-up. I know
that could change in August.NorCal - I understand your point about
Alabama QBs, but their offense is completely different than BYU's. Their
offense is focused on a power run game. A top passer is not as critical to
their success. However, BYU's offense relies on the passing game, and
having a great passer is critical. That's why we struggled on offense the
last few years. We didn't have a QB with a great arm. I'm very
excited to see Hill, and it sounds like Olsen is a solid back-up. The BYU
offense will be much more potent this year.
I will never claim to be an expert regarding college football. However,
sometimes I wonder if the Cougars are too top heavy in the quarterback position.
I read something after Alabama won the national championship that Nick
Saban's teams are so successful because they focus their recruiting on
offensive and defensive linemen, the secondary positions, and their running back
positions. Saban is willing to take two-star quarterbacks and focus his
attention elsewhere. We saw what Alabama's secondary, linemen, and running
game can do in their win against Notre Dame. I will always be a proud Cougar fan
and alumni, but I sometimes wonder since the limit on scholarships players is
eighty-five, and I'm guessing BYU doesn't come close to the latter
number. I'd like to get people's thoughts about what I'm talking