BYU's NIT run a boon to the future of the basketball program

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  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 5, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Re: Sports4life1

    phantomblade's point, which you obviously didn't get, is that the Ute Basketball program has done very little since losing Majerus. The point is that BYU Basketball has been on the rise during that time, while Utah has been floundering.

    Nobody will deny that Utah did very well under Majerus. Nobody will deny that they have the better overall history in the NCAA tournament. But in the last 10 years? What Utah basketball has done doesn't even come close to what BYU Basketball has accomplished.

    Utah fans so love to focus on just the last 10 years in football, but in Basketball it has to be their whole history that is considered. Double standard there?

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    April 5, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    Monk, with so many of the teams in the NCAA Tournament as automatic qualifiers from the myriad conferences across the country, no one believes the 64 represented there are the best 64 in the country. The way both BYU and Baylor finished in the NIT, I would rank them among the 50 best teams in the country, if not among the top 40 for Baylor.

  • sports4life1 OGDEN, UT
    April 5, 2013 2:28 a.m.

    It's quite sad to see some BYU fans bringing up quite poor statistics from the past when the utes could do the same thing. truthfully congrats on your success the last 10 years, but if you want to compare basketball programs outside of that then we can look at the Utes being far better overall. They can actually win when they get to the tournament and are one of the few teams that have a successful record in the tournament.

    and about your 2013 signing class there all going on missions which is basicially going to leave you with nothing next season. The Utes will beat BYU next year and will dominate the series the rest of the way. Just like football

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 4, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    After seeing that Baylor dismantled Iowa in the NIT Championship game, it makes me wonder if the two best teams in the tournament didn't face each other in the semifinals?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    AZute1 sounds pretty bitter...

    On a brighter note, I was encouraged by the play of the team in the NIT and look forward to the continued growth and development of Matt CArlino. He needs to play with confidence and it seems he found it again in the tourney. Keep it up Matt and I'm already looking forward to next season!!!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 4, 2013 8:13 p.m.


    The reality of BYU and Utah basketball during the Dave Rose era; there hasn't been a coaching "era" at the U since Majerus left.

    209-66(76%), 6 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT tournaments, 4 conference championships, 8 20+ win seasons, Consensus National Player of the Year

    116-137(46%), 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA tournament, 1 conference championship, 1 20+ win season

    And let's not forget, BYU signed its best recruiting class ever in 2013.

    Overall, BYU leads the series 149-145, has won 7 in a row, and 11 of the last 12

    Regardless of conference affiliation, it's indisputable which school has the better basketball program.

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    April 4, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    Roger Jolly,

    Stop manifesting an inferiority complex. 'No one wants BYU'. 'A real conference'. This is so transparent a first year psych student could nail the diagnosis.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 4, 2013 3:36 p.m.


    Still, gotta ask, if your choices were two schools, one played post season, one did not, which would impress you more?


    I apply the same criteria to U, and I think, "what they have done, they ever will do?" That kinda smack coming from Utah fans just doesn't hurt much. It kind of makes me giggle.

    I do expect the Utah basketball team to continue progressing and improving. I have no such expectations for Utah fans that demonstrate their superior patheticism anonamously on their ex-rival's sports stories.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 4, 2013 3:38 p.m.


    Their recruting base got them a top 20 clas this year and a projected top 10 class next year. You're right, that is what they are.

    Of course utah is what it is as well, which means sitting at home wishing they could play.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 4, 2013 1:52 p.m.


    They are what they are. Truth is, limited by their own standards, win or lose, their recruiting base remains the same. What they've already done, is all they will ever do.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 4, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    BYU had a good season. But, does any real high school talent care for one second about how the team did in the NIT? No. If we want to get technical, in the standard of anything that really counts, BYU ended the season as the #70 or #71 best team in the country. BYU athletics is willing to settle for that. Why should the fans? Or the beat writers?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    April 4, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Please don't be mad to each other. It's all good folks. And, the games are decided on the court. Best of luck to all teams everywhere.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    April 4, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    If you don't like the trolls, why do you feed them?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    April 4, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    If BYU and it's players are so irrelevant, why is it that BYU articles continue to be flooded with posts from people like yourself? It must be tough routing for a team that can't even come close competing (lost 11 of the last 12) with such an irrelevant club. Irrelevance is hard, especially when it entails consistent trips to the NCAA tournament with several wins in recent years. Hopefully one day you can experience the "utter futility" of having a winning program that competes with the big boys.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 4, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Congratulations, Cougars, on a nice season.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 4, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Wow... we almost had a positive article about BYU without the trolls stepping up with their negative vibes and valueless comments showing a lack of civility. Just once, that would've been nice and a positive step in the right direction between the fans of both schools.

    But then along comes Roger Jolly with his inane "nobody wants BYU" comment and his inference that Utah is so much happier being a cellar team in a "real" conference.

    And also AZUTE1 with his even more inane "utter futility" comment which displayed a complete ignorance of "historical" BYU postseason play. As the actual article stated, BYU has had 7 post-season victories in nationally invited tournaments in the past few years. I don't dislike Utah, Mr AZUTE1, but just how victories have they had in post-season play in the past few years? You failed to make any type of meaningful comparisons with your unwanted criticisms. Let's keep your comments in perspective, and with an attempt at getting back to civility and respect between our Utah schools and their fans. Other better commenters have shown it can be done.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 4, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Regardless of the tourney you're in, if you're playing on ESPN you're getting exposure to a knowledgeable audience. Play well, and that leaves a good impression among viewers, fans and college admins. You can never tell in scheduling when something happens and a team needs a good opponent; someone may have seen one of these games and call up the teams in it to see if there's a match - especially across country where the names aren't heard all the time. BYU's name is out there, they have recent exposure to keep it fresh and some good will come of it.

    Regarding their run in the NIT, congrats for stepping up and playing with passion. It was all good, in every way. It might have been "tier 2" in the news, but you played like it was "tier 1" to you and we fans appreciated the effort.

    April 4, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Congrats to the Cougars on making it to Madison Square Gardens. It was nice to see the Cougars put together three complete games in the NIT and the last game was the best showing against Baylor.

    It will be very difficult to replace Brandon Davies next year, but these better played games at the end of the year give me hope. Go Cougars!

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    April 4, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @ AZUTE1;

    Utter futility??? Two NIT championships and a final four. An elite eight, a sweet sixteen and several more appearances in the NCAA. It's not Duke or Kentucky, but it's not utter futility either.

    Doesn't 6'11' Isaac Nielson join the program next year? I remember reading a lot about him doing real well in So. Cal. - just as well as Mika - before his mission.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    April 4, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    Futility is u basketball and football. Playing in the postseason is great. Sitting at home...not so great.

  • MizzouBlue Carthage, MO
    April 4, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    @ AZUTE1: Why all the hate for the Cougs? We don't critize the Utes for having 116 wins & 137 losses the last 8 seasons & only making the NCAA tourney once during that stretch. You should be proud that one Utah school - BYU - has amassed a record of 209 wins & 65 losses since 2005 & 7 appearances in the NCAA & 2 in the NIT.

    For this die-hard Cougar fan, I hope the Utes do well except when they play us. In fact, like Sweater in the Rafters, I hope all the Utah schools do's good for all of us.

    Go Cougs!!

  • BlacksburgCoug Blacksburg, VA
    April 4, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    @ Roger Jolly

    It's not that nobody wants BYU. It's just that they want BYU to make concessions that BYU isn't willing to make. The Big 12 would have already extended an official invite (before TCU got one) if BYU would only relinquish broadcasting rights and if we would play on Sundays. Period. As far as quality of the school, athletic department, facilties, revenue, etc. it's a no-brainer. TCU got the invite because they had no such standards or advantages (BYUTV). Utah got the invite because of geography and their graduate school. BYU is an undergraduate university that doesn't fit the academic profile of the PAC12.

    So, if you want to say that BYU is arrogant, or doesn't play nice, so no one wants us, that's partly true. We have benefits, standards, and advantages that other universities don't, so it's just easier to work with them. But having standards and not compromising them (Sunday Play) is a good thing. And having a broadcast facility that is literally second-to-none....well, we can generate our own revenue, thank you very much.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 4, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Yep, Stanford actually won The NIT last season and we saw what sort of a, "boon", they received--A return-trip to this Same, Exact second-tier tournament.

    The reality of the post-season for byu, historically/generally, is one of Utter-Futility, in terms of where post-season success is measured these days--In The Tourney....Not even their most celebrated player in their program's history truly made a difference, other than one extra-victory during his final-season....Heck, most people actually fail to realize jf continues to remain, Barely, on a NBA-Roster, he's so Utterly-Irrelevant, Anymore.

    And now byu can barely lay claim to 3rd-best in a, Top-To-Bottom, 3rd-Rate conference, At Best, during the regular-season and getting immediately bounced from their conference-tourney, Winless, by a 3rd-Rate team, To Boot.

  • Roger Jolly Maricopa, AZ
    April 4, 2013 2:41 a.m.

    @Sweater In Rafters

    I concur... But I've notice that how much Cougar fans watch how Utah has fallen, they don't notice how their team is going down. Playing in the Pac-12 isn't the same as playing in the WCC or Independence. Join a real conference, then talk. But nobody wants BYU. Why is that?

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    April 4, 2013 1:16 a.m.

    I finally got it sweater in the rafters my bad!!!

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    April 4, 2013 1:15 a.m.

    I do believe BYU did well in the NIT Tournament, not good. And it's sweeter not sweater... You know what a sweater is? Good job Cougars from a Ute fan that can spell!!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    April 3, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    Sweater, if more Ute fans were like you, there'd be fewer despisers among the BYU Faithful.

  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    April 3, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    A Ute fan here. Congrat's to the BYU team for the wins in the NIT. I find something interesting about the Utah and BYU rivalry compared to the Duke UNC rivalry or the Indiana Purdue rivalry.

    In both of those rivalries both teams pull for the other team except when they play each other. As Roy Williams expressed...he loves to be #1...especially when Duke is #2. For UNC to beat Duke...when Duke is unranked is not nearly as fun as beating them in the ACC Championship game.

    I love the Utes...and I am glad BYU did good at the NIT...I was pleased to see Weber State got to the finals of their tournament I think we all know how consistently good the Aggie's are...too many injuries to make it this year.

    If Utah State returns to standard form, Weber keeps it going like they did this year, BYU can replace the few folks they are losing and the Utes keep progressing, Utah could return to the basketball state that it used to be.

    That would be good for all schools I think...

    Go Utes...