Scandrus what you are saying makes a lot of sense to me. So if you are a coach
that builds your program around academics, teaching the kids life lessons, and
serves the community you should plan on winning some games to keep your job.Oh wait, Jordan won 17 games this year. That is the most wins in 29
years at the school in basketball. Jordan has not won a state championship in
basketball since 1984. Yeah I know they won the state championship in football,
but basketball is drawing from kids that live in their boundaries. So you
can't really make a comparison there.
When coaches don't win championships and are fired they always point out
academics and running a clean program, those things should be a given, winning
at a high level is what keeps them employed.
"it's dog eat dog, the bottom line is that winninig is going to win
out, every time, unfortunatley"Are you being serious with this
statement? In college and professional sports, I would agree. In high school
sports? No way. Jordan was 17-7 this year, their winningest season
in 30 years. They had a 7-3 region record. These facts directly combat your
statement, which I believe to be ridiculous. And we wonder why high
school sports are so messed up right now.
"Winning is going to win out every time". Wow. What a statement. I guess
then by that measure every single coach with a losing record in all sports
should be fired after they are given 3-4 years? (Keep in mind Geertsen was 74-57
at Jordan, I just tallied it up and saw it in another article.) Let me ask you a
question. Which coach in the State of Utah has the winning-est record in the
last 20-25 years in Utah that has NOT been fortunate enough to have a D-1 player
go through his program? Go look it up, I will be curious to hear the answer to
the question. I have not looked it up, but I bet the answer is the same guy you
are writing about.
When you're 2-10 vs Alta and 3-9 vs Brighton, during six seasons, that
doesn't bode well, for any Jordan coach against their rivals. Didn't
hardly sniff a region title in six years with only three state tourny
appearances, having won only one game (1-3 overall). Jordan teams seemed to
always peak early, every season, then fade as the rigors of the season wore
on.Geertsen accomplished many other great things, as has been
mentioned throughout the story and comment section. His teams looked good and
represented their school well. They were in the community, serving both the
young and the old. Their Holiday tournament was second to none. Geertsen is the kind of guy you would want to influence your son, a
player's coach, but in this buisness (coaching) it's dog eat dog, the
bottom line is that winninig is going to win out, every time, unfortunatley.
It's that way at every level of life, from marbles, to jacks, to
hopscotch.I feel for both in this story. The coach, because he is
loved and reveered, along with the administrator, who wants to try something
different.Best luck to everyone affected/involved.
As a teacher in the secondary public school system for 17 years, I have come to
the conclusion that the way administrators think is a mystery of life. Totally.
Their decisions often are illogical and violate any principles of common sense.
I swear, to get an administrator's degree (and why does one need a degree
in this?), they put them through a transmogrifier which changes their thought
patterns. And unless you know the dynamics behind the transmogrifier, you will
never know how an administrator thinks. Like this one.
.... yet he has no job.
Some good arguments on both sides here. I didn't know coach but I know
Hunter, like and trust him. Something doesn't add.
Hey Carnak, my screen name says it all. How good do you think Jordan football
and baseball would be if we went to that sort of a system? Yeah, well below
.500.I only saw Jordan play twice this year. They played an up tempo
style of basketball that I enjoyed watching in their tourney finale against East
and Utah signee Parker Van Dyke and I also saw them against West Jordan when
they beat West Jordan by about 20. In both games I enjoyed watching a solid high
school point guard who fed a good high school post. They had good role players
around them and that is why they had success. Most impressive to me was the way
that their team had a chemistry about them that I believe helped them
overachieve this year.I was shocked to see this article, Jordan High
let a good coach go for no reason. Why would anyone want to coach? It's
Slow down style of basketball? Did you see Jordan play this year? They were one
of the highest scoring teams in the whole State of Utah! I loved their style of
play this year!
Question for Ernie. Do you know who the second highest scoring basketball team
was in all of 5A this year? Only national champion Lone Peak scored more points
per game than this team. I doubt either of you saw a game this year,
but the "slow, clunky" style of play that you are referring to is
definitely not Jordan. I hardly ever post, but it is hard not to
ignore comments that are totally off base.The answer to the question
is Jordan. 66.6 PPG trailed only Lone Peak in points per game. I guess you
better check your facts before you post.
I completely disagree with Carnak.How many of those players on the
football and baseball team are IN BOUNDARY kids who are supposed to go to
Jordan? Let's be honest here. There teams are comprised of recruited out
of boundary kids from all over the Salt Lake valley and in regards to the
football team kids from California. Anyone can win a championship team with a
super-league team. The basketball team from this past season won more wins
than any other in the past 30 years at Jordan... and all of the kids are zoned
for Jordan High.
Lots of "good kids and scholars" in all the sports programs at
Jordan...most coaches do a great job of that. Looks like they finally solved
the mystery of the "Geermuda Triangle" where, over the years, many of
the state's highly talented players, with promise, enter and end up not
moving to the next level or even being successful in HS. Whether it is from
quitting, transferring or just suffocating in that program. I see a lot of
supportive comments, which is great and obviously came in a coordinated effort
from this year's crop of parents once this article broke, but you would get
a way different story from any of the previous players "with promise"
and their parents who don't care anymore and certain aren't out
proactively looking for this article. Bottom line is that coaches should adapt
and leverage the talent they have, not force some slow, clunky system that have
proven unsuccessful year after year, down everyone's throats. It's
about the kids, not the coach! BTW, don't get too excited about this
year’s success. HS basketball in UT was way down this year except for
Loan Peak obviously.
Agree with Carnak.
Facts of the matter are that the Jordan high basketball program never lived up
to the talent level at the school during Geertsen's tenure. In the last 5
years, both the football program and the baseball program won state
championships while the basketball team struggled to make the state playoffs.
There are as many "good kids and scolars" on those programs yet they
win.Time for a change.
I had a son play for Rob for one year (his second year at Jordan). My son
really respects Rob and looks up to him. Even though I do not agree with some
of his basketball coaching styles I have to say that I have come to respect him
for his hard work and the time he puts into the program. I have learned that
his first objective is the boys he coaches. That is quite obvious. I agree
with previous posts that someone should look into the athletics at Jordan. I
have a sneaking Hutch (whoops) I mean Hunch that the athletic director at the
school is behind letting Rob go. I think Hunter is out for himself and has a
motive behind what has happened. I would like to get the comments from the
athletic director on this.
Huge group of parents and players at the school board meeting right now
supporting their basketball coach. Stay tuned!
RE:DowntimeBingham has already fired there coach and hired another
Jordan's administration is a complete joke. They allow cheating in their
other programs and look the other way when parents are assaulted by coaches, yet
fire an honest, upstanding, good role model.Someone really needs to look
into Jordan high school and what really goes on there. Perhaps when the Canyons
school district finishes trying to open up their castle in Draper they'll
realize what a train wreck Jordan high school has become.
SC Reader....what did you say? And who are you to judge, your state is $150
billion in the hole......maybe if parents cared more about educating, academics
and success in California, you wouldn't be broke?
High school sports in Utah crack me up. I've never seen so much drama in
high school coaching changes than in Utah. Such changes are a blip on the news
radar screen elsewhere.
The current parents are well aware of the loss and are not happy about it.
Coach has done an outstanding job with these young men. He understands that
basketball is not the future of most and prepares them for life. More then can
be said for a majority of the High School sports programs in the state. It does not sit well with me, that's for sure!!
As a parent of a former basketball player, I am just sick about this decision!
Coach Geertsen is the best thing that has ever happened to that school. I have
never seen a coach run a more all-around first class program! My son achieved
his first ever 4.0 GPA with him as a coach, he challenged him both on and off
the court to be the best he could be. I hope that the current parent base
understands what a huge loss this is for their boys! I am confident
that Coach Geertsen will land on his feet if he ever coaches again. There has to
be a million principals out there that would take a coach with high standards
that is also an excellent coach. Huge loss for Jordan High School.
Best of luck Rob! I know you'll land on your feet!
Hopefully, the Bingham and Snow Canyon boys' coaches are next. Horrible,
horrible examples for our young men.
Rob Geertsen is a good man and GREAT coach. I am an outsider looking in,
however, some of the super league boys I coached played for Geertsen at JHS. He
mentored these boys about life's valuable lessons far beyond the basketball
court. He taught them service in the community and he was genuinely concerned
for their overall success on and off the court. His record speaks for itself.
My dad always said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Geertsen is a class act! He taught by example: passion, discipline, respect and
leadership. Sorry to say, but JHS, this is your loss.
And to clear up that little rumor Geertsen had no intention of going to Bingham.
He never even applied.
need some stability in the program? Geertsen has run the most fiscally and
academically successful program at Jordan High, probably ever. To say that it
is even relevant that there are teaching positions that need to be filled when
Geertsen is indeed already a teacher and wasn't planning on changing that
AND the position on canyons school district it says teaching optional... so are
they really looking for a teacher? NO. They are trying to push out a coach who
has developed a successful program that teaches our children the fundamentals of
life. Cheating and lying is NOT part of Geertsen's philosophy because of
that he loses his position. Bush-league.
The comments about him leaving are untrue. He was planning to stay put so that
is an incorrect quote by the principal.
He never told anyone he was leaving. That is a smoke screen and is untrue.
Bottom line! Don't tell people you are leaving, that's a no brainer
"That, coupled with the fact that freshman will attend all Canyons District
Schools next fall, led to the move." What does this sentence
They must have been looking for any little reason to get him out. Lesson
learned, if you don't have a new spot don't tell everyone your
leaving. I heard he was putting in for the Bingham job, maybe he thought he was