More guns, more suicides? Protecting a population at risk

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 4, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    "But if some ne is going commit suicide they will try whether they have a gun or not."

    There are many people who attempt suicide and are unsuccessful. But not usually with guns.

    "For reasonable people suicldes have no bearing on gun laws."

    Profound. Then again, I would say that "reasonable people" dont commit suicide anyway.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 3, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    This is silly argumant without any fooundation.

    Obviously if you have gun you are going to be more successful at suicide,

    But if some ne is going commit suicide they will try whether they have a gun or not.

    For reasonable people suicldes have no bearing on gun laws.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 3, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    @ happy2bhere. Amen brother! Some of us have to point out the hypocrisy of liberalism!

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 3, 2013 3:19 p.m.


    Your point reminds me of something that could cause the liberals to be the most anti-choice/abortion people in the country. If it is ever proven that homosexuality is genetic and can be detected in the womb prior to birth, imagine how ballistic they will go with parents choosing to abort rather than have a gay son or daughter.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    Mountanman. You still posting? In another story, I thought that you had been captured.

    (sorry, couldn't resist :))

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 3, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    If only guns could be used in abortions or for euthanasia, then the second amendment haters would love guns!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Gregg Weber--as a retired teacher, I often heard the words "studies", or "research", to describe a new teaching strategy rammed down our throats. Many of these strategies were ineffective.

    I'm sure alcohol leads to more suicides then guns.

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    April 3, 2013 1:53 a.m.

    Not long ago I read a book called "Proofiness" by Charles Seife which is about the use of numbers and such to sway an argument even if the numbers are made up.
    We must be careful of throwing statistics and such about. I wish we had confidence that what is put out on any subject is right and not just exageration (or lies).
    Anyone can practice proofiness. Even a government official are human enough to do so.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:04 a.m.

    Fewer guns will not effect the suicide rate. Canada and Australia both have very stringent gun control, and both countries out run the US in suicides to the 16 - 65 age groups. Those are UN accepted statistics. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  • nutzforbuckeyes Saint George, UT
    April 2, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    merich39.... There is an old saying. If you give them an inch they will take a mile. Our government knows no boundaries. Look at our debts!

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    April 2, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    How many suicides are accomplished by prescription, or non-prescriptions drugs?
    How many by carbon monoxide from car exhausts? Ban cars?
    How many by hanging- ban rope and necktie sales?
    How many times do we see "suicide by cop" stories?

    Suicide cannot be solved by gun laws, but as a mental health issue, and even then, the success rate will be small, as these are irrational people committing an irrational act.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 2, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    "Where is the same out cry and ban on alcohol, after all it the booze and not the person drinking it."

    Okay, and alcohol is regulated. Therefore it's okay for me to support regulations on guns too.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 2, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    JDL... There is a very small minority that supports an outright ban on gun ownership. Most people who support increased gun control only support limiting access to certain types of guns and limiting ammo capacities. However, you make a valid point. We, as a state and as a country, regulate alcohol to a much greater extent than we do guns. So I'd be more than satisfied if guns were available but were regulated to the same extent as alcohol.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    April 2, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    An interesting side fact that I would have liked have seen in the article is how many gun deaths are from "assault rifles."

    I may be the "gun nut" that some commenters have referred to, but really, read the emotions of the article. This one is different. Guns (here) aren't bad because they enable people to kill other people. They are bad because they enable people to kill themselves. And I agree that this is a whole different argument.

    So this article says that three of of five gun deaths are self inflicted. Why don't the other articles, like those about evil assault rifles, point that out? I am guessing it is because the other articles have a different point to make. Why didn't this one make clear that, in this case largely handguns are the problem? Because the authors have the OTHER point to make.

    It doesn't seem honest. It seems disingenuous.

    And since you called me out in advance, I won't disappoint: The Deseret News should teach their reporters how to do fact-based writing as opposed to emotion based editorializing.

    Most unbecoming.

  • pacificblue55 SANDY, UT
    April 2, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    There is already an outrage about alchohol. That's why you go to jail when you drive under the influence or sell to the under age.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 2, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    I heard a statistic recently stating for the white population in the U.S., for every one person killed by a firearm as a result of homicide, five die from suicide. In the black population the numbers are reversed, every suicide is superceded by five homicides.

    The vast majority of people using a firearm to commit suicide already had the gun at home. Expecting intervention by gun dealers to signifcantly reduce suicides is unlikely. Owners of firearms and household members have to be made aware of the risk of death and need to take measures to severley restrict access to guns within their homes.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 1, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Thank D-News for highlighting a topic that impacts too many people in Utah.

    Educating gun shop owners is a great way to start addressing this problem, and if we can reduce the number of suicides in Utah without making citizens feel like tyranny is around the corner, then all the better.


  • JDL Magna, UT
    April 1, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes1 – a decline of 3.7 percent from the 13,491 fatalities in 2006. Source: NHTSA

    In 2007 there were 12,355 firearms related suicides.

    These are hard numbers and represent real people. Where is the same out cry and ban on alcohol, after all it the booze and not the person drinking it.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 1, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    The pro-gun readers aren't going to find the reailty of this artilce very flattering or supporting their cause - because it isn't.

    In fact -
    I'm just waiting for them to start calling the Deseret News liberal for printing it,
    and how the Deseret News is all part of the Liberal-Left-Wing-Media.

    ...waiting, and watching...because I Know it's gonna happen....