@imacanmanIt doesn't appear that the scouts are all that
concerned with who each player played against, only excuse making utah
"fans" like yourself seem to think that is smoe kind of an issue.LOL!
@proud uteI wish him well also, but it was one of your fellow utah
"fans" that tried to make excuses for his performance claiming if star
had lesser perfomrance it was because he faced "better" competition. In
otherwords he was making excuses. I enjoy utah "fan" excuses and
hypocrisy, it is fun stuff.
Duckhunter Highland, UT You guys sure have a lot of
excuses. Keep giving them to us I suppose.Who's "You
guys" and who's "us"? here?Seems both red and blue are
cheering the young men on with civility.Does that really get your knickers
in a knot? Here's your tissue......
Duck is right. Nothing but excuses except I guess for scoreboard when they play
@imacamanYou guys sure have a lot of excuses. Keep giving them to us
Re: elkute "It seems that STAR hit some flat spots in the last year or so,
while Ziggy has been up and coming since he walked into bronco's office. I
see Ziggy going in the top 10 and STAR in the top 20. Go Utes."Perhaps the level of competition had something to do with that. Going up
against the likes of USC's offensive line is not quite the same as NM
Predicting the draft is a whole like predicting individual games or entire
seasons. It's basically a very efficient way of making yourself look silly.
All we know for sure is that both players are incredibly good at what they do
and draw a lot of interest from scouts. Star is what we expected him to be
coming out of high school, Ziggy caught everyone by surprise. Star could to #1
or could fall to mid-first-round. Ziggy might go at #5 or fall to the second
round. Who knows? I doubt the team that drafts each knows today and probably
won't decide for sure until mid April. I haven't hear
whether Star has been invited to New York for draft day. Does anybody know?
@GoUtes"But Star has proven himself just a little bit more"Problem is that Star has proven some things that the NFL doesn't
like, for example his penchant for taking plays off and not always giving his
all. That is something the scouts love about Ziggy and they've commented on
his motor quite often.it will really come down to team need and
who's picking but I suspect Ziggy's upside will be just too hard to
pass up. Guys like Star come along every draft and a team doesn't need to
waste a high first round pick to get a good NT.
They are both great success stories and both will become excellent NFL players.
Good luck to both of them. I predict two top ten picks.
@IrrelevantGood point in comparing Rodgers and Smith, the #24 vs #1
pick. Of course it's a little more complex as Rodgers was drafted by an
excellent team and learned behind Brett Favre until ready to step in and start.
Smith was drafted by a terrible team with many pieces missing and had a
different OC every year. I'm sure Rodgers would have struggled too as a
49er.In the 2011 NBA draft the Kings picked two point guards, one
with the 10th pick and another with the 60th pick. We all know which player
ended up being the better NBA point guard as they continue to play for the same
coach, with the same teammates in the same organization.Good luck to
both of these young men.
Irrelevant:Thank you for proving my point; Alex was drafted to start
right away, there were growing pains due to the flux in San Francisco's
organization and poor offensive line play but in the end Alex did just fine, he
helped bring the 9ers back to relevance. Aaron didn't play for several
seasons after being drafted, He was mentored by Favre in a solid organization
and he came in when he was needed. I can guarantee that if Rodgers was taken by
SF in 2005 he would not have been any more successful than Alex was. Let me restate my point. the top 10 spots are generally reserved for
immediate starters, players that are more polished and more NFL ready. Ziggy,
while he has a huge plus side is not an every down player right now. Star is
but his heart condition is probably enough to make his stock drop to the 10-20
range, which is where i think ziggy will end up as well.
@Go Utes!"I am not by any means an expert but it seems that
teams do not draft a project player like Ziggy in the top 10, it is just to
risky, to much money to stake on potential. spots in the top 10 are for guys
like Star who can come in am be a starter and every down player right off the
bat."interesting, the thing about the draft is you never know
what kind of kid you're going to get. I remember a kid going number 1 in
2005, he had a lot of hype and everyone thought he was the real deal. As destiny
would play out a certain man named Aaron Rodgers, taken number 24, would prove
to be a much better player than this number 1 kid. All I'm
saying is ya its a gamble spending millions on a kid with just potential, but
sometimes the risk is worth the reward. Both of these men will do great things
in the NFL if they work hard and keep their feet on the ground.What
ever happened to the prized Glenn Dorsey from LSU? wasn't he projected to
be a pro bowl kid right away?
Good luck to both players.
It seems that STAR hit some flat spots in the last year or so, while Ziggy has
been up and coming since he walked into bronco's office. I see Ziggy going
in the top 10 and STAR in the top 20. Go Utes.
Ziggy is very raw, but his work ethic, his amazing athleticism and his desire is
going to give him what he needs to make it big in the NFL. I am excited to see
who he is going to play for, and to watch his career in the NFL. As for Star he
is going to be great too, I just wish he would have stuck with his original
commitment to BYU. As good as BYU's defense was last year, just imagine if
Star was on that defense. It would have been the best in the nation. Good luck
to both players.
Comparing Star with Ziggy is like comparing apples to oranges. Sure, they both
play defense, but their positions are completely different. This article is
kinda goofy. Why don't they compare similar positioned players? It would
be like comparing Ty Detmer to Steve Smith, both terrific athletes, but
different positions. I wish both players health, safety, and peace in this
I liked the quote by the scout saying they would be the best on USC's
defense and all of the Big 12. Especially the Big 12 part. I just think
it's funny he said USC because I mean, did he see their defense last year?
:P not ragging on Ziggy or Star in anyway! just think the quote is funny. Go
Star! Go Ziggy! Go COUGARS!
The experts seem to be projecting Ziggy in the first 5, not getting past Detroit
at #5. Star somewhere in the top half of the first round. Best wishes to both
I loved watching Ziggy play, what a talent. But Star has proven himself just a
little bit more. I am not by any means an expert but it seems that teams do not
draft a project player like Ziggy in the top 10, it is just to risky, to much
money to stake on potential. spots in the top 10 are for guys like Star who can
come in am be a starter and every down player right off the bat. it will take
Ziggy a season or two to really hit his stride i could see him going in the
middle of the first round and being a huge success in a few seasons with some
training under his belt.
Both of them qualify as a certain "comment lurking whinner's"
Sunday School Boy. Nice young men with Sunday school qualities. Seems the
cream does rise to the top.
“These kids would be the two most talented kids on USC’s
defense,” the scout said. “On a lot of teams, really. They’re
the real deal. They’re better than anyone at Texas, better than anyone at
Oklahoma, better than anyone in the Big 12.”Love that quote! I
don't really care who goes higher, I just want both of them to do really
well in the NFL and be safe. Listened to both of them on video and they both
seem like great guys outside of their athletic ability. Good luck to both of