LDS Church's temporary MTC will bring changes to apartment complex

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  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    April 2, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    I'm not sure why the residents around the MTC are being vilified for this situation. There is absolutely no way that the proposed construction would have been completed in time to absorb the current surge of missionaries. If anyone deserves blame, it should be the Church Missionary Department for failing to anticipate the size of the surge and the necessary logistics to accommodate it.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    April 2, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Guy Smiley of Utah

    *I have to admit this reminds me just a bit of thousands of cattle being herded into a corral where they are fattened up with teachings to be ready for market."

    What a negative view of missionary work and preparation? I see it as a sign of the times, a wonderful development in which the opportunities for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ will be greatly expanded. I say Hurrah. Things are happening on this earth, both good and bad. The times are hastening on. This is wonderful, and the young people willing to sacrifice years of their lives are doing incalculable good in the world. What a testament to God and His church.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    April 1, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Actually, with the way the contracts work, I am not sure 900+ people are being effected. Since the current contracts expire at the end of April, it is likely many residents were planning on moving anyway.

  • Guy Smiley of Utah St. George, UT
    April 1, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    I have to admit this reminds me just a bit of thousands of cattle being herded into a corral where they are fattened up with teachings to be ready for market.

  • cjf Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 12:36 a.m.


    "FYI a religion that controls a government is a theocracy, which is what we apparently have in UT."

    And yet, that religion was unable to build the new tower to house the missionaries in the first place.

    So much for you pet theory that a religion controls the government in UT.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    March 29, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle: Those of us who have lived in Provo for a long, have known that the MTC needed to be expanded. And after all the land does belong to the church so they should be allowed to add on if they want to. Those complaining didn't want their view of the landscape ruined by the tall building. What is the view besides haze and a dirty lake? I would be willing to bet that the church will add onto the MTC anyway.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    March 29, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    If the building had been approved, it wouldn't have been finished by now anyway. Continuing to try to vilify people for it when the Church was the one who made the decision to terminate the project is ridiculous. There still would have been a need for this temporary solution even if the Church had continued to press forward with its high-rise plan.

    If you feel an incessant need to blame someone, blame God; He lowered the missionary age.

  • dutgut Saint George, UT
    March 29, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Why not build the 9 story building and cover it with a cloaking device??? Everyone wins!!!

  • Nick F Bountiful, UT
    March 29, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    I don't know if the article got everything correct. Usually apartment complexes in Provo start offering summer contracts the beginning of the year. I understand that the "current" winter semester contracts are up on April 27th, but if summer contracts were signed by both parties at the beginning of the year, I think students have the right to be upset. If there's something in the paperwork that says those contracts are null/void until the Spring term actually starts (after the 27th), there's not any problem. Previous commenter Jeff_3 seems to be one of those students who signed on past April 27th. Saying that there won't be any shuttles seems to be premature. From the article, we know that there will be cafeterias, classrooms, and other facilities at Raintree/Wyview, but missionaries will still need to get to the temple, 1.6 miles away. That's a long ways to walk. Just my 4 cents (adjusted for inflation).

  • Jon W. Murray, UT
    March 29, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Back in the good old days, during the great expansion of missionary work after Pres. Kimball said "every worthy young man should serve a mission" and "lengthen your stride", I had the supreme hardship of being housed in the upper story of Amanda Knight hall during the summer of '75 with no air conditioning (oh the humanity!), and having to walk all the way to the Italian House for class, there and back twice a day - it must have been two or three whole blocks away. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

    Get over it people. The leases expired. If you paid a deposit down for the summer, you'll no doubt get it back.

    And no, the LDS church is not the government of Provo. If they were, the highrise would have gone forward as originally planned.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 29, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Having been in the military in various bivouac modes and in operational exercises with K- and C-rations and MREs and other forms of food, I am sure the tent situation could be bearable but not the best and conducive if that is what they choose. Missionaries may have it better in that environment than in some of their mission areas but for the extensive training and language processes, mosquitos, bugs, humidity and cold, etc. are not the best but doable. A 9-story air conditioned and well-built structure would be more enduring and more beneficial. It is like people that moved to an airport area and then complain about the air traffic. If you moved into a home around the industrial complex of the mission training, BYU and Temple complex, they knew that building would proceed into the future. Academic and facilities change due to circumstances and growth. BYU and the Church could have bought a lot more land to begin with but the professors and others moved to the higher ground and didn't want to have the "the world is our campus" blocked of the lake and lights. Geneva moved my grandfather off their dairy for WWII.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 29, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Some of you need to read the entire article:

    "Current housing contracts expire April 27."

    The church has obviously been negotiating this for several months. The majority of Raintree residents are students who will be returning home for the summer. For those staying in Provo for the summer, it's not at all difficult to find housing during the summer. In fact, many apartment complexes offer substantially lower rent during the summer to attract more residents. The full affect on student housing won't be felt until next fall, but at least the students will have a full summer to find alternative housing.

    As far as shuttles - there won't be any. All of the housing, classrooms and cafeteria services will be housed in a fenced in area at Raintree. Missionaries living at Wyview will have to negotiate that treacherous journey across Freedom Blvd. If you think housing the cafeteria in a tent is problematic, try visiting a firecamp for a large forest fire fighting operation sometime. Except for a little more fresh air, you'd never know you were in a tent. Everything, including drink machines and salad bars is the same as in a normal cafeteria.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 29, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Dang, The arrogance on this thread is palpable. You don't own the state Mormons or even Provo. Not everyone cares about "the lords work" some of us even think it's not the lords work at all...... If I was a raintree resident who signed a lease for summer semester I wouldn't leave without compensation for the inconvenience. I know when the build the Target in SLC I was living in a house back in that industrial area. I got Target to pay 2 grand to break my lease 6 months early. If I lived in Raintree I would ask for the same thing. Now, on to the tower. If you were promised that no tall buildings would be built on land by your house how mad would you be if the company(i mean church) was to turn around and try and do that anyways, and pressure you in your church meetings to let them break their promise I would be really upset. But I guess the church is more important than you so they can do whatever they want right? FYI a religion that controls a government is a theocracy, which is what we apparently have in UT.

  • Jenbug2015 Provo, UT
    March 29, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @jeffe_3: I'm currently living at Raintree and actually had re-signed contracts to live there for the next year. I was not told of ANY of this until Wednesday of this week. There has been a rush on apartment complexes in the area and I had to drop $500 (deposit and first/last month rent) to get a spot right now. If I had waited I would have been homeless. Which is hard when I have a job and I'm going to school up here. I'm glad that it's going to a good cause, but the fact that they encouraged re-signing contracts and now are telling everyone to get out isn't fair to anyone. The part that makes me really angry is from what I've heard is the Church approached the management back in October and they made the decision to go with it a week ago. :(

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 29, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    There is a really nice vacant lot right across the street from the MTC that has a small parking lot and water tanks on one side. If the Church doesn't already own that, they ought to buy it and build a nice big high rise apartment complex attached to the MTC via foot bridge. That would poke the eye of all those Provo residents who complained about wanting to build the nine story building at the MTC.

    My guess is the Bretheren knew more about what was going to happen in the future than the residents that complained. Interesting how lack of insight causes problems? I hope those residents get some insight.

    Oops, it might restrict their view of the Temple to build there. Bummer.

  • Jeffe_3 Grantsville, UT
    March 29, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Re: SundanceKid27:

    "So how can an apartment complex kick students out who have contracts but when students have contracts there is no way they can get out of them?"

    State law doesn't allow kicking tenants out as long as the lease contract is still in force. Even if a new owner (the church) had purchased the complex and wanted the space, they would need to wait until the contract term expired for all of the tenants before they could make the tenants move.

    I don't know the details of the students' lease contracts but I imagine that the lease terms coincide with the term end at BYU, which is in about a month.

  • SundanceKid27 OREM, UT
    March 29, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    So how can an apartment complex kick students out who have contracts but when students have contracts there is no way they can get out of them.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    March 29, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    I agree with lightening lad I would hope those are not LDS people who are voicing disapproval for the Lords work to continue, how sad that would be to frustrate the missionary efforts by our not being able to see the hastening of the work that President Monson spoke of.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    March 29, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Progress...if it going to be done - it will be done right by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Progress means changes and hopefully the homeowners, etc. will look at the whole picture and forget about themselves. This is the will of the Lord and residents can be grateful and helpful or make it difficult and hopefully it won't be difficult. There's going to have to be an abundance of patience, understanding and less of "what about our view and convenience". It will work out - just wait and see.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 29, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    It is a risk factor that wouldn't be there if the original complex had been approved. Walking, riding, time efficiency, safety, health, etc.

    An apartment complex isn't built the same as the MTC specifications and classroom walls are not as conducive to practicing language skills and Preach My Gospel scenarios.

    You do what you have to do. Even in Utah County and in Provo, Brigham Young's second school, the people could have been more friendly for a complex that would have been a better process for missionaries, especially in this forward movement, and next to a Temple.

    People have their choice and this is true even with freeway construction when people tell the highway department not to put up sound walls as they block their view. Life is a balance and you give up something for the benefit of the community, which in Provo, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with the Brigham Young University and all the businesses relating to that industry, including the Utah Valley University.

    People don't want others to move in to a place after they have moved in. Developers do that placing homes further apart at first.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    March 29, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Are the residents on a school year lease or month to month? It could be their lease may be running out anyway. I suspect the apt owner will receive a very large amount of money to cover the lost rent and "incentive funds". Will the owner pass some of the loot to those rentals who might have a lease longer than the time they will be allowed to stay?

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    March 29, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Something tells me the residents who fought the 9 story addition will live to regret their opposition. This has the recipe of a huge mess. Not only ugly temporary structures but a traffic/shuttle bus nightmare. Sometimes we have to just accept progress and allow for the fact that is we want an unobstructed view of the mountains we need to move further up the hill. Nobody has the right to a view, unless they own all the property between their home and the object they wish to view. Mark one up for narrsesistic residents who want it all. I remember some of those speaking out against the stadium expansion because they would no longer be able to view games from their rooftops, for free.

  • earthquakejake Logan, UT
    March 29, 2013 12:12 a.m.

    They gave all 900+ of their tenants one month to move out and find another apartment. That's insane given the difficulty of finding openings in Provo. I'm glad I'm not one of them but I've already spoken to several tenants who are furious. Good luck to all of them.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    March 28, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    The amazing thing about this story as written isn't the logistical issues associated with last minute moves and making it all function, it's that they can find someone who can actually teach people to speak Finnish... wow... that's a feat !