Wasn't there a guy who lived near there and complained last year that he
didn't like it when it was announced that the Church was going to make the
MTC a much larger place, possibly 9 stories high? Blame him.
I believe a standard contract for BYU approved housing contains a provision that
either party can terminate for any reason up to 90 days before the commencement
date of a lease. If it is less than 90 days, the landlord cannot terminate the
lease without cause. Any successor to the landlords interests is bound to the
terms. However, most of these leases also terminate at the end of
the winter term. I would imagine that most students just assumed that they
could renew their lease and haven't actually signed a lease for spring
giving them no legal expectation to remain after their lease expires the end of
the winter term. If anyone does have a lease signed for spring,
since it is less than 90 days away, the church will need to break their lease
and a tenant should be able to hold out for some sort of fair settlement.
@NoodlekaboodleRaintree typically works with contracts that expire
at the end of each school year in April. The complex usually allows people an
option to renew/extend their contract each year (around March), but it sounds
like the renewal option was simply not offered this year.
Boo Hoo.Here comes my crusty 'ol "I remember when" rant too
-- We slept in bunks, in the gym and were "happy" about
it.In the field -- We found our own apartments, Found
our own furnishings, arrainged our own transportaion, installed our
own phones and utilities, ...and we were "happy" about it.BTW - I have a picture of me and my companion, sleeping on couches
with cigarette burn holes all over, without any cushions, that we
had found and dragged out of a dumpster, using a fly swatter to kill all
the roaches, getting a 50 pound bag of Idaho potatoes from a member, and with tears in our eyes, ...we were "happy" about it.Missionaries today are too soft.
Some say the numbers will stabilize back to the level before the age change
after this initial influx of new 18 and 19 year olds. It might however stay high
because some, particularly women, will go on a mission at 19 that they
wouldn't have gone on at 21. So, long term expansion may still be
necessary. In either case, great to see this missionary effort happening.
KinCOFort Collins, COTrue, but perhaps a bit harsh. I used to
live in RainTree back in the day when it was all that. My life got dramatically
better when I moved to Brown House Down on the south side of campus.I wonder if the church owns that complex, or if they just negotiated for the
whole block? I suppose if you were given notice, it doesn't much matter.
Maybe some of those students/tenants currently in Raintree could delay the
hassle of moving by becoming a missionary. Then they could just stay put for
another month or two.
Look, there are bazillions of empty apartments in Provo in the summertime
available for very low rents. No one at Raintree will have any trouble finding
another place to live. Some people have a hard time with change, especially
unplanned change. That is understandable. But there are more than enough nice
places for Raintree residents to move to for the spring/summer terms. Finding a
place for fall semester may be a bit trickier, but then again with so many kids
going on missions--maybe not. Life is full of surprises. The sooner you learn to
roll with them, the happier you (and those around you) will be.
Some missionaries go right to the mission field.Recently we had an Elder
in our Branch go right from home to the Cleveland Mission. His family got to
drive him there. No MTC at all.Why is that?
To the students at Raintree I would look at the contract I signed with a fine
tooth comb. Depending on the type of lease, I've never lived in student
housing so i'm not aware of how those contracts work, but in a normal
apartment if you sign a lease you can't be removed unless you don't
pay or violate lease terms. Just because the landlord (LDS church?) wants you to
move you doesn't necessarily mean you are legally required to move. A lease
isn't just to protect the landlords rights, it's also to protect the
rights of the tenant.
In the beginning, November 1961, missionaries were housed in the old Roberts
Hotel, on about 200 South University Ave. and walked up to campus for classes.
In August 1962, I resided in Allen Hall and walked up to the old Alumni Bldg,
now Hinckley Center for Spanish classes. Growth, especially rapid
growth, is usually a little messy and unorganized in the beginning. The USAF
airman training at Sheppard AFB runs three shifts a day to maximize classroom
space five days a week. Be glad the MTC runs one longer shift a day. I wonder if the good neighbors of the MTC will complain about this planned
expansion like they did with the last one? The area ought to be nicknamed
"NIMBY Neighborhood" in my not so humble opinion.
I do feel bad for the people at Raintree, I think that you can choose if the
glass is half empty or half full. I believe that this missionary thrust is so
important and it is a service to give up your home to forward the work. And
just think of your pioneer ancestors, they didn't have much notice and they
had to go in the cold winter and walk a long long way. Good luck to all of you
and of course, how awesome to have this work exploding. I do think that there
will still be a higher amount going, cause many would not go for different
reasons at the older age.
Why not open an MTC on the East Coast of the US? We've got SVU with a 98%
Mormon population, so the needs are there. Just a thought.....
The LDS church will do the best they can to house and accomodate these young
missionaries. As has been stated a year from now the numbers of departing
missionaries will decline and level out.It will not preclude the need for new
and larger facilities however. Residents living near the MTC opposed the church
building onto the MTC this past year and the LDS church pulled the plug on that
Reminiscent of the 1960s when we used various buildings to live in as the
Language Training Mission increased it's scope of the languages included in
the mission. What a blessing for missionaries to be able to learn a language
and teachings to be better prepared for their next 18 - 24 months in the mission
field.It is too bad that they don't have a real complex as had
been planned for the MTC. Logistics and safety of the missionaries is not as
good with these various buildings to have to deal with and time during the day.
It is an impact for the students that are displaced for now, also.
This is why Provo has more blessings.
@SundanceKid27: I live at Raintree and they JUST told us about this last night.
After I'd signed contracts for the summer and the fall. So yeah, it looks
like they're just voiding them. Which, I'm happy that they're
going to a good cause, but at the same time, why did they lead us on to believe
that they were here and let me re-sign. Especially since the article sounds like
it's been in the works for awhile. The frustrating part is, I have a month
to find housing or pack up and move to Glenwood, which is not where I need to go
because of traveling to UVU where I go to school, I take the bus and
there's no bus stop near glenwood that I can take to get where I need to
Reminds me of old LTM (Language Training Mission) buildings. They were quite a
hodge podge of a number of buildings, cobbled together, what appeared to me then
as an afterthought conglomeration.Often, though, much of what has
been done over the decades regarding missionary work often has come across to me
as what appears as an afterthought.I also remember the military
style "rude awakenings" at the old SLC Mission Home, housed in the old
school that was just North of the current high Church Office Building. The
volume that the audio system was set at, when some man in the mission presidency
(I suppose) said, "Elders and Sisters, time to get up!" I was sleeping
in the top bunk of the 3-level bunks used then. Almost had to peel myself off
the ceiling then (LOL)!The old "Monsieur Durant"
"discussion" booklets were soon replaced by a much better written and
organized "new" "discussions" (lessons). I long thought that
some help in who we approached and how in France could have helped our success.
I still think it could. The logistics and tactics of "contacting" could
likely be much improved.
My daughter lives at Raintree and has been told that she must vacate by April
20th. That gives her three weeks to find another place. She is not a BYU student
but chooses to live where there is BYU approved stantards. I know she will find
another place, but it is still very traumatic for someone who thought they had a
place to live through Spring and Summer and even next Fall / Winter.
Why all the concern about students at Raintree? You think the church is gonna be
like, oh sorry, pack up your stuff. Come on, the church is the most organized
group I know. Making students leave without arrangements is hardly something
the church would do.Not to mention, I know some dorms at BYU were
vacant or close to it because attendance is down with so many young people
going on missions. There is not a lack of alternatives here.
This is good. I hope the students at Raintree and Wyview are being taken care
Hmmm. My son just submitted his papers with availability right after HS
graduation in June. Maybe we should wait....
I am curious if they will hold onto these properties or sell them once the
influx settles down.The missionary application rate is so high
because both 18 & 19 year old gents along with both 19 & 21 year old
gals are eligible to go on missions. But in about a year that will change with
applications only coming from the 18 year old guys and 19 year old girls. When
that happens the MTC will have too much living space.
Back in the late summer of 1973 we slept in bunk beds on the basketball court of
the Women's Gym.Our classes were held in some old barracks buildings
What is happening to those students who have contracts at Raintree. Is it all of
a sudden the apartment complex is going to void those contracts.
Very interesting. Just had a cousin enter today going to Australia. He will b
gone by May, but great to see the need of housing for missionaries being so
great that they are bursting at the seams.